Thread 21 Sunak, Return of the Numpties

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And so we continue.

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Hehe.

You'd think they would better understand that making Sue Grey the story is much worse for the Tories than Labour. It really doesn't benefit them to have the public thinking about all the lockdown parties again!

At least Sue Grey actually turned up and did her job unlike Dorries. She's hardly in a position to assess professionalism and duty.

Oakeshott being interviewed on Times Radio

twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1631731298883575822?t=GLY5YFNJjBmbLhRmETjjNA&s=19

Is it bad for the Tories, or is the calculation that it is bad for Johnson and his gang? Perhaps the calculation is that it bolsters the already weak Sunak, by again reducing Johnson to a laughing stock?

I think you are giving them too much credit.
They are rats in a sack fighting, I really don't think there is any more to it than that.

The 'eat out to help out' messages make me so angry. They knew it increased the number of infections, the covered it up and laughed about it.

Surely it is endlessly distracting to keep getting whatsapp messages demanding your attention. You are supposedly the Secretary of State, in the middle of a crisis, and yet you constantly are getting messages on your phone that take you away from actually doing your job of trying to run the country. I am sure I am don't work for the only employer who has a policy that personal mobiles should be away during working hours.

2023 version is correct. There is huge doubt over the Sue Gray report, although perhaps not for the reasons Nad thinks, but rather because of the huge amount that ought to have been included but was left out. ABBA.

I am feeling a letter ot my MP coming on. He was very worried that poor Paterson wasn't given the same kind of professional hearing that those in other professions would expect, but oddly doesn't seem to share my concern that MPs should also be expected to maintain the same professional standards when it comes to bullying staff while drunk, or trying to find bribes to pay the school fees from Saudi.

Yes a letter about the unprofessionalism of whatsapp may be in order.

Ooh, she's nasty.

thecritic.co.uk/the-plot-against-boris/

The Partygate report was a stitch-up, but not a party political one. No, it was an establishment stitch-up: don’t rock the boat; look after the people in power; never, if you can possibly avoid it, name names.

It's bad for the Tories as a whole. Sunak got fined too, which is quite funny given that he genuinely doesn't seem to have been particularly involved in the no 10 piss up culture, and he's also one of the leading Tories who spent months gaslighting the public and minimising it. He doesn't benefit from the public being reminded of that, particularly not when it booted the Windsor agreement out of the headlines. Labour generally get a bump in the polls when the public are thinking a lot about Partygate.

I wonder if his laywer has told him yet that he will have to do a lot better than 'nobody told me'
Or will he end up like trump
news.sky.com/story/donald-trump-and-lawyer-fined-nearly-1m-for-bogus-legal-claim-against-hillary-clinton-12791320
Presumably no lawyer will agree to represent him now?

I am sure I am don't work for the only employer who has a policy that personal mobiles should be away during working hours.

Are these all personal phones or are some/all of them work?

I don't disagree, but how much do any of them care about the public? Is it about the short term of shutting Boris up about the new improved border in the Irish Sea?

They care about the public when they know there's an election not too far off. There's a non-negligible chance of the next GE delivering the sort of result they're not actually guaranteed to come back from. It's not just the ones in the marginal constituencies who'd have always known they were on borrowed time. People with majorities of fifteen and twenty thousand will be looking over their shoulders.

And Boris knows he's not got the numbers behind him to make a fuss about the deal. The ERG just aren't the big deal they were a couple of years back: a cynic would suggest that's why Baker and co have decided they're on board with it. The sands have shifted.

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They can get to fuck.

That is just horrendously awful.

We knew it didn't we. We knew they were taking the piss, flip flopping all over the place with the important decisions, partying, treating the public with disdain.

We just knew it.

Now confirmed.

The knew the infections were rising, they covered it up, they clapped the nurses and now they refuse to pay a proper wage.

Their contempt knows no limits

This is what Oakeshott & Nelson are about. Crafting a version of history that suits their agenda.
It's why the messages were given to the Telegraph.
It's why she/they didn't release all the of the material.

This isn't the winner writing history - it's a section of right wing agitators hoping to score points off other right wing figures.

The messages do reveal lightweight politicians out of their depth and only concerned with self image. I'm not particularly convinced that they've provided anything we didn't already know.

But they won't release anything that reflects the seriousness of the what we, the country or the NHS were facing or anything that might reflect well on Hancock because neither fit their narrative.

Ah lightweight journalists out of their depth and only concerned with self image making a performance about lightweight politicians out of their depth and only concerned with self image.

I vividly remember watching my aunts funeral over zoom in May 2020.

My uncle (aged 84) and 5 other family members were allowed in the church.

It was hard seeing him sat alone, in the pew, wiping his tears.

And all the while tory MPs and Spads were partying, laughing at us, shagging staff...

I hate them.

#never forget #never forgive

But they won't release anything that reflects the seriousness of the what we, the country or the NHS were facing or anything that might reflect well on Hancock because neither fit their narrative.

They were the basis for Hancock's book

That is so awful for you and your family.

I watched one funeral on a link, it wasn't someone I was ever so close to, but it was so moving and upsetting to think of all his friends and wider family sat at home staring at a screen.

No, we don't forgive.

Which has sold 4,000 copies. Most of those were probably Hancock giving them as Christmas presents.