Page 21 | Thread 21 Sunak, Return of the Numpties

DuncinToffee · 2023-02-04T20:09:51+00:00

And so we continue. Previous thread https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/4699406-thread-20-sunak-and-the-winter-of-discontent?page=1

tobee · 25/02/2023 22:15

Just came on here to distract me from worrying about my elderly df and dm. Reassuring (strangely) to read posters still being sane.

I found 3 tomatoes (posho heritage ones) in m&s food on Friday. I bought 2 (we genuinely had none at all for a bit) and felt guilty for buying them. Likewise when I found some eggs the other week. Seems quite bizarre really.

DowningStreetParty · 26/02/2023 10:35

Great news today that Luciana Berger is back into the Labour Party. I’m utterly ashamed of the Corbynite Labour Party’s handling of antisemitism and am very happy to see that there appears to be meaningful reconciliation and reengagement with these issues going on under Starmer.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64774642

DowningStreetParty · 26/02/2023 10:35

tobee

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DuncinToffee · 26/02/2023 10:42

CNN piece on Johnson

edition.cnn.com/2023/02/25/uk/boris-johnson-british-politics-intl-cmd

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itsgettingweird · 26/02/2023 11:35

That's a great article.

Tobee

Notonthestairs · 26/02/2023 12:22

Sorry to read that Toobee. Its not easy is it.

Interesting read from CNN. They didn't have space to mention the Privileges Committee investigation but it's bubbling away in the background as well as all the other stuff.
It reminded me of how well May did to (broadly) keep schtum whilst Johnson was flogging his oven ready Deal.

Roussette · 26/02/2023 13:10

Great article from CNN

🌷 to you TooBee

borntobequiet · 26/02/2023 14:42

Yes, great article. I used to seek out US views on Brexit related stuff but got out of the habit, must get in to it again.

Notonthestairs · 26/02/2023 15:55

BBC chairman gave thousands to an organisation that funds right wing think tanks - some of whom lobby for the BBC to be privatised.
Wonder if he mentioned that in his interview.

https://twitter.com/josiahmortimer/status/1629176962030702593?s=46&t=pZN jCVzfZMIxpp_tKMEkjg

Notonthestairs · 26/02/2023 16:07

More murky politics-

The former cabinet minister Liam Fox has been criticised for lobbying the prime minister on behalf of a business group that pays him £1,000 an hour.
Fox, a former trade secretary, is the chairman and a “commissioner” of the Global Britain Commission, whose members include representatives of the banking industry group UK Finance, the private bank Coutts, Heathrow, Virgin Atlantic, Forth Ports and others.
He's ok to do this because he's now a member of GBC rather than being paid to advise them. Which seems like a hefty loophole to me.

And

Fox is separately paid £10,000 every six months as a retainer by WorldPR, a company based in Panama, despite working no hours for them to date. WorldPR’s clients have previously included the late Chilean dictator AugustusAugusto Pinochet, a team of lawyers working for the Libyan government to secure the release of the Lockerbie bomber Abdelbaset al-Megrahi, and the Kazakh and Azerbaijani governments.
Now where can I get a job paying £10,000 for doing nothing?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/feb/26/liam-fox-lobbied-pm-rishi-sunak-global-britain-commission

jgw1 · 26/02/2023 16:40

Notonthestairs · 26/02/2023 15:55

BBC chairman gave thousands to an organisation that funds right wing think tanks - some of whom lobby for the BBC to be privatised.
Wonder if he mentioned that in his interview.

https://twitter.com/josiahmortimer/status/1629176962030702593?s=46&t=pZN jCVzfZMIxpp_tKMEkjg

The guy's a talented man, why should he not spend the money he has earnt through his hard work connections to fund organisations that share his interests?

jgw1 · 26/02/2023 16:41

Notonthestairs · 26/02/2023 16:07

More murky politics-

The former cabinet minister Liam Fox has been criticised for lobbying the prime minister on behalf of a business group that pays him £1,000 an hour.
Fox, a former trade secretary, is the chairman and a “commissioner” of the Global Britain Commission, whose members include representatives of the banking industry group UK Finance, the private bank Coutts, Heathrow, Virgin Atlantic, Forth Ports and others.
He's ok to do this because he's now a member of GBC rather than being paid to advise them. Which seems like a hefty loophole to me.

And

Fox is separately paid £10,000 every six months as a retainer by WorldPR, a company based in Panama, despite working no hours for them to date. WorldPR’s clients have previously included the late Chilean dictator AugustusAugusto Pinochet, a team of lawyers working for the Libyan government to secure the release of the Lockerbie bomber Abdelbaset al-Megrahi, and the Kazakh and Azerbaijani governments.
Now where can I get a job paying £10,000 for doing nothing?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/feb/26/liam-fox-lobbied-pm-rishi-sunak-global-britain-commission

The guy's a talented man, why should he not use those talents to earn as much money as possible by being paid to use those talents connections?

itsgettingweird · 26/02/2023 17:22

It just gets worse with every day

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DuncinToffee · 26/02/2023 17:55

Hopefully some good news at last, Ursula von der Leyen is coming to London tomorrow to meet Rishi Sunak

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Notonthestairs · 26/02/2023 17:55

ERG getting twitchy with Tory MP Mark Francois warning Sunak of chaos if he tries to push through deal w/o a vote.

“Given all the history of this, for the government to try and bludgeon this through the House of Commons without a vote of any kind would be incredibly unwise.”

https://twitter.com/pippacrerar/status/1629898243072032770?s=46&t=pZN jCVzfZMIxpp_tKMEkjg

I rolled my eyes so hard they hurt.
I seem to remember he was quite happy to shut down Parliament to avoid scrutiny when it suited him.

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DuncinToffee · 26/02/2023 18:10

They all supported and won an election on the lie that was the 'oven ready' deal, hypocrites.

Labour has stated they will support Sunak if it goes to a vote.

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jgw1 · 26/02/2023 18:17

Notonthestairs · 26/02/2023 17:55

ERG getting twitchy with Tory MP Mark Francois warning Sunak of chaos if he tries to push through deal w/o a vote.

“Given all the history of this, for the government to try and bludgeon this through the House of Commons without a vote of any kind would be incredibly unwise.”

https://twitter.com/pippacrerar/status/1629898243072032770?s=46&t=pZN jCVzfZMIxpp_tKMEkjg

I rolled my eyes so hard they hurt.
I seem to remember he was quite happy to shut down Parliament to avoid scrutiny when it suited him.

Given that Truss and Sunak were appointed to be Prime Minister without reference to a democratic vote, why should the small matter of creating a border within the UK be given a vote in parliament?

the80sweregreat · 27/02/2023 06:29

I've not been on here for a while, but a quick look at the DM and they are not happy at all with this pending deal.
I must admit to a lot of ignorance around it all and not been following the news on brexit matters for ages or understand the entire NI position, but whatever they come up with won't please everybody by the sounds of it.
I did read it's only going to a parliamentary vote on part of it.

itsgettingweird · 27/02/2023 07:23

www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-53724381

I found this useful because I have to admit I didn't fully understand it either!

L1ttledrummergirl · 27/02/2023 08:25

Bbc this morning saying that the government want to fix the food chain issues so they are meeting with the major retailers.
What about meeting directly with the farmers, with the green grocers, the butchers, the hauliers etc.

Half arsed as usual, taking the easy option to look as though they are doing something without doing anything.

Notonthestairs · 27/02/2023 08:31

Agree food chain issues go far beyond retailers. You can not introduce friction within trade and expect to be prioritised over areas which don't have the same complications/delays.
Common sense!

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DuncinToffee · 27/02/2023 08:42

It's basically cleaning up Johnson's mess.

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borntobequiet · 27/02/2023 09:00

They hope the big supermarkets will do their work for them sorting out the country. I think on the whole they’d do a better job, and not just in fixing the supply chains. Big business relies on a functioning economy, which relies on adequate infrastructure, healthcare, education and training etc. CEOs of huge retail groups know this, are pragmatic, non-ideological and know how to plan for the future and future shocks. I’d take the CEO of Tesco over any recent PMs any day, even though supermarkets have a poor track record dealing with some suppliers.

Notonthestairs · 27/02/2023 10:53

MP admitting they don't generally bother to read deals/legislation before voting.

Tell me again why we pay them?

"Theresa Villiers, senior eurosceptic Tory MP, tells @TimesRadio 'bitter experience' has taught her to read deals before voting for them

'It may well be PM has secured some real concessions from EU but I won't know that until I've seen the text & discussed with colleagues'

twitter.com/steven_swinford/status/1630156819573227520?s=46&t=3pXTKjO8WgUBYtC2ygQFeg

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DuncinToffee · 27/02/2023 12:09

If only she (and all the others) had done that with the 'oven ready' deal

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