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NotAgainFrederick · 2023-02-02T17:09:33+00:00

Just interested to know what benefits have we had as a result of Brexit?

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 06/02/2023 12:43

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jgw1 · 06/02/2023 12:50

HandyGirl76 · 06/02/2023 12:37

It doesn't matter, Boris was PM! That's all that matters. Yay!

And he got Brexit done. Which is the main thing.
He ought to be Prime Minister for life.

LaPerduta · 06/02/2023 12:51

ListenToTheFacts · 04/02/2023 17:51

There are many Great Brexit Benefits.
• The replacement of the EU's unethical and environmentally destructive CAP with a new system of subsidies for farmers who improve animal welfare and who protect the environment.
• The end of EU FoM which led to discriminatory priority for Europeans over Non-Europeans. It has been replaced with a meritocratic migration policy which treats all world migrants fairly on a basis of equality of opportunity for all, regardless of their nationality (it also allows the UK to turn away EU criminals the EU wouldn't allow us to turn away).
• The end of EU SM which prevented the UK from banning unethical trades, resulting in the UK being the first European country to ban cruel live animal exports, and the first country in the world to ban the shark fin trade, with major steps forward towards bans on foie gras and fur imports.
• The introduction of Gene Editing (different to GM) which can eradicate disease and suffering in agriculture, benefit the environment, while increasing UK productivity.
• UK control of VAT allowing 0% on energy saving measures such as insulation, draught stripping, various heat pumps, wind turbines, water turbines, solar panels, etc. Much of this wouldn't have been possible under EU rules. The EU has previously blocked the UK from such measures. Although the EU has now followed the UK's lead on solar panels.
• Brexit driven wage increases, with wages up 18% across hospitality and catering and wages up 10% across retail. A great benefit for many British workers.
• The UKs independent vaccine programme. While this could technically have happened within the EU, Remainer MPs (including the Labour Shadow Cabinet) were openly against it. So, if we had voted to remain and left Remainers in charge, it wouldn't have happened.
• Increased sovereignty. Supremacy of EU Law and EU QMV allows the EU to pass laws even if EU States are against those laws. EU members are therefore not sovereign.
• Escape from the EU's democratic deficit. The EU's Executive Power holds all legislative initiative, yet faces no democratic public elections and can't even be removed by the European Parliament with anything less than a two thirds majority.
• End of EU CFP which restricted the UK Blue Belt Conservation Zone. The UK Government is introducing new Highly Protected Marine Areas (HPMAs) which maintain the strictest possible environmental protection, with a ban on all fishing, construction, etc. These can now be anywhere throughout the UK EEZ (thanks to Brexit).
• Ban on stun fishing throughout UK EEZ half a year before the EU.
• The EU has agreed to surrender 25% of its quota in British waters over five years, with 15% already surrendered in 2021 alone. After the five year period, the UK can reclaim 100% of the quota in British waters (although they will likely allow some continued access for the EU).
• Ban on destructive trawling of seabeds (and other damaging trawling practices) in several, pre-existing and significant UK Marine Protected Areas (MPAs). This was previously prevented by the EU CFP.
• Successfully signing trade deals around the world. The UK has secured all the trade deals it had via the EU, now without the billions of pounds per year in membership fees it previously paid the EU to access them. The UK has improved on trade deals the EU has with Japan and Singapore by securing important provisions on data and digital. The UK has secured trade deals with New Zealand and Australia (which the EU doesn't have). A trade deal with India is predicted to be finalized by the end of the year. The UK had reached the final phase of its accession process to the CPTPP.

There's a lot of interesting information here, but it's rather impenetrable with so many unexplained acronyms.

LauraNicolaides · 06/02/2023 14:30

LaPerduta · 06/02/2023 12:51

There's a lot of interesting information here, but it's rather impenetrable with so many unexplained acronyms.

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And quite a lot of it misleading I'm afraid.

Lollyloup91 · 06/02/2023 14:32

Can anyone list the negatives of brexit? (Not related to the pandemic)

jgw1 · 06/02/2023 14:36

Lollyloup91 · 06/02/2023 14:32

Can anyone list the negatives of brexit? (Not related to the pandemic)

Yes thanks.

LauraNicolaides · 06/02/2023 14:36

Lollyloup91 · 06/02/2023 14:32

Can anyone list the negatives of brexit? (Not related to the pandemic)

There's an attempt to bring them together here:
yorkshirebylines.co.uk/regular-features/the-davis-downside-dossier/

Alexandra2001 · 06/02/2023 14:48

This one stood out for comment...

The end of EU FoM which led to discriminatory priority for Europeans over Non-Europeans. It has been replaced with a meritocratic migration policy which treats all world migrants fairly on a basis of equality of opportunity for all, regardless of their nationality (it also allows the UK to turn away EU criminals the EU wouldn't allow us to turn away)

Only those with large amounts of money can come here now, regardless of skills we need.
So .. not opportunity for all, it has led to such a rush for HCPs that we are poaching them from countries that need them badly themselves... great!

But even that hasn't been enough to see vacancies in the NHS increase.

We could also stop criminals coming here, we just didn't always check but now we don't have access to the EU DB's that would tell us, so now a child abuser etc turning up at Dover apparently on holiday from an EU country can just walk on....... and disappear.

But of course if Brexit was so beneficial.... how come we have such a drop in GDP, haven't recovered from CV and have seen a 5.5% drop in GDP ?

HandyGirl76 · 06/02/2023 15:14

@jgw1 oh god yes! He's a god - capable, competent, committed, loyal, trustworthy and serious. We need more Boris!

LauraNicolaides · 06/02/2023 15:17

Alexandra2001 · 06/02/2023 14:48

This one stood out for comment...

The end of EU FoM which led to discriminatory priority for Europeans over Non-Europeans. It has been replaced with a meritocratic migration policy which treats all world migrants fairly on a basis of equality of opportunity for all, regardless of their nationality (it also allows the UK to turn away EU criminals the EU wouldn't allow us to turn away)

Only those with large amounts of money can come here now, regardless of skills we need.
So .. not opportunity for all, it has led to such a rush for HCPs that we are poaching them from countries that need them badly themselves... great!

But even that hasn't been enough to see vacancies in the NHS increase.

We could also stop criminals coming here, we just didn't always check but now we don't have access to the EU DB's that would tell us, so now a child abuser etc turning up at Dover apparently on holiday from an EU country can just walk on....... and disappear.

But of course if Brexit was so beneficial.... how come we have such a drop in GDP, haven't recovered from CV and have seen a 5.5% drop in GDP ?

It also misunderstands what "free movement" and a single market are. Within a single market free movement is not immigration any more than someone moving from Exeter to Hull is immigration.

EarthlyNightshade · 06/02/2023 15:18

LauraNicolaides · 06/02/2023 14:30

And quite a lot of it misleading I'm afraid.

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• The end of EU SM which prevented the UK from banning unethical trades, resulting in the UK being the first European country to ban cruel live animal exports, and the first country in the world to ban the shark fin trade, with major steps forward towards bans on foie gras and fur imports.

I've googled this and I can't find anything saying that these bans have actually come into force, do you have a link, please?

jgw1 · 06/02/2023 15:19

HandyGirl76 · 06/02/2023 15:14

@jgw1 oh god yes! He's a god - capable, competent, committed, loyal, trustworthy and serious. We need more Boris!

Sure is, and mostly importantly for me, Boris knows what a woman is.

CardinaldeRichelieu · 06/02/2023 15:20

There's a lot of interesting information here, but it's rather impenetrable with so many unexplained acronyms

Which acronyms are you struggle with @LaPerduta?

LexMitior · 06/02/2023 15:20

On FoM, that's not quite right. You aren't swapping like for like. Think of it in monetary terms and immediate economics.

What you've got is a system that means everyone has to pass through an expensive system to get work permits and even then some countries are going to have preferred access on that. So this level playing field is a nonsense.

It was economically sensible for the U.K. to have FoM with its closest and biggest trading partner. Meritocracy be damned - it made us richer in monetary terms. Broke arse meritocracy is shortly to be replaced by country that negotiates best access to the U.K., because we need quality people and administratively it is a lot cheaper and quicker to do this with preferred partner countries than start processing applications from across the world.

Topseyt123 · 06/02/2023 15:28

No benefits at all. It's Brexshit, by the way.

luckylavender · 06/02/2023 15:30

Marchitectmummy · 02/02/2023 17:21

The speed of covid vaccination roll out was one mentioned at the time?

That's not true though. We could have done the same without Brexit. And other countries took over from us anyway.

postwarbulge · 06/02/2023 15:35

Now, we have all the sovereignty we can eat!

jgw1 · 06/02/2023 15:50

postwarbulge · 06/02/2023 15:35

Now, we have all the sovereignty we can eat!

We do?

When did I get to vote for Rishi to be Prime Minister?

LauraNicolaides · 06/02/2023 16:02

jgw1 · 06/02/2023 15:50

We do?

When did I get to vote for Rishi to be Prime Minister?

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I always thought the most hilarious crusader against those devious unelected foreign EU bureaucrats was the chief UK brexit negotiatior David Frost. Never elected by anyone at all except for Boris Johnson. Not even knowledgeable or competent, unlike the EU bureaucrats. And a minister by virtue of being in the House of Lords. (Itself a shining beacon of British democracy, with its 92 hereditary peers.)

CallieQ · 06/02/2023 16:09

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TooBigForMyBoots · 06/02/2023 16:12

It killed the Tory Party?🙈

LauraNicolaides · 06/02/2023 16:25

TooBigForMyBoots · 06/02/2023 16:12

It killed the Tory Party?🙈

People have been claiming that the Tory party is about to disintegrate for even longer than (other) people have been claiming that the EU is about to disintegrate. Both lots are always wrong!

TooBigForMyBoots · 06/02/2023 17:44

Have you seen the state of them @LauraNicolaides?😱

tukker · 06/02/2023 18:38

GPTec1 · 06/02/2023 08:48

It’s a high remain area and I doubt many voted for it, as I didn’t, it still just doesn’t dominate

I live in a leave area and a tory one to boot but things have changed, our MP is now a joke figure, people who previously would have said "but corbyn would have been worse" now say they want her and the Tories gone.

Brexit is talked about because people see the harm its doing but i do agree it doesn't dominate.

I think as Alister Campbell said yesterday "Labour are behind public opinion" don't know if you heard the R4 debate yesterday but all the pro brexit speakers were laughed at and the remainers clapped, i think 12months ago that wouldn't have happened (audience didn't know the debate topic before applying)

@tukker ha ha so a refugee filled with lies about the UK's asylum process is to believed?
Did he also tell you he'd get a nice house and 50k in benefits too which you also believed?

Takes 1 to 3 years to hear an asylum claim, thats from the UK Govt itself.

Do you believe everything the UK government tells you?

LaPerduta · 06/02/2023 19:03

CardinaldeRichelieu · 06/02/2023 15:20

There's a lot of interesting information here, but it's rather impenetrable with so many unexplained acronyms

Which acronyms are you struggle with @LaPerduta?

CAP, FoM, SM, QMV, CFP, EEZ & CPTPP.