Page 6 | Benefits of Brexit?

NotAgainFrederick · 2023-02-02T17:09:33+00:00

Just interested to know what benefits have we had as a result of Brexit?

MarshaBradyo · 05/02/2023 22:52

How would you possibly know - It’s not you experiencing it is it?

I still don’t get why they do it whether you feel the need to get involved or not.

Maybe I’ll report it or not, really just stop letting it concern you it’s not your problem.

TooBigForMyBoots · 05/02/2023 23:23

I don't like threads I'm on being derailed. If you have a problem take it to PMs or MNHQ and stop me-railing threads with it.

MarshaBradyo · 05/02/2023 23:25

Eh you prolonged it by getting involved, god knows why you think you needed to. Just stop, I’m not interested in your views or continuing.

TooBigForMyBoots · 05/02/2023 23:55

😵‍💫

MarshaBradyo · 06/02/2023 06:20

Ok… moving on from overly involved and / or personal insults

Back to Brexit and thread topic. If you are o/s and look at mn you might think topic of conversation is Brexit is high. It was at the time of course but not necessarily now. There are returning threads / posters but that’s more prevalent online than irl

AuxArmesCitoyens · 06/02/2023 06:44

Marchitectmummy · 02/02/2023 17:27

Yep not sure why however I do know I was vaccinated prior to my friends in France and Germany and it seemed to be smoother process but why I don't know...I wasn't a Brexit supporter but just remembered that

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I'm in France and was vaxxed before my siblings in the UK

GPTec1 · 06/02/2023 08:15

Back to Brexit and thread topic. If you are o/s and look at mn you might think topic of conversation is Brexit is high. It was at the time of course but not necessarily now. There are returning threads / posters but that’s more prevalent online than irl

Your life isn't "real life" anymore than mine is.. we all live different lives surely? there is no one size fits all.

In my circle, brexit topic comes up because it is linked to travel restrictions i.e 90/180, pet passports esp as people book holidays to Europe, worker restrictions in the NHS, lack of staff in care and hospitality, because in my RL, these are the things people do are are involved in.

In "Real Life" there has been a great deal of coverage in the media on the 3rd anniversary of Brexit and in current affairs programs, its also a common topic of questioning.

You don't appear to be quoted anymore than any other regular poster but you often will react.. see above and ask posters not to engage with you, which is odd on a public forum, if a thread no longer interest me, i just hide/remove it.
Apologises in advance for quoting you!

GPTec1 · 06/02/2023 08:19

AuxArmesCitoyens · 06/02/2023 06:44

I'm in France and was vaxxed before my siblings in the UK

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One thing that is (chosen to be) ignored is that once AZ became linked with problems in younger people, we had little MRNA vaccines, which meant vaxx roll out slowed.

Also, AZ proved to be ineffective against new strains, no one gets an AZ vaccine now in Europe, its all mRNA.

In S/W a: we had little CV (first wave) and b; it was all mRNA.

MarshaBradyo · 06/02/2023 08:23

GPTec1 · 06/02/2023 08:15

Back to Brexit and thread topic. If you are o/s and look at mn you might think topic of conversation is Brexit is high. It was at the time of course but not necessarily now. There are returning threads / posters but that’s more prevalent online than irl

Your life isn't "real life" anymore than mine is.. we all live different lives surely? there is no one size fits all.

In my circle, brexit topic comes up because it is linked to travel restrictions i.e 90/180, pet passports esp as people book holidays to Europe, worker restrictions in the NHS, lack of staff in care and hospitality, because in my RL, these are the things people do are are involved in.

In "Real Life" there has been a great deal of coverage in the media on the 3rd anniversary of Brexit and in current affairs programs, its also a common topic of questioning.

You don't appear to be quoted anymore than any other regular poster but you often will react.. see above and ask posters not to engage with you, which is odd on a public forum, if a thread no longer interest me, i just hide/remove it.
Apologises in advance for quoting you!

To be clear I was directing my post to the ‘am I weird’ poster and answered them honestly. Not to you or anyone who can debate normally. If it’s not an unusual focus etc I have no issue, of course not.

Yes people have different to experiences. I haven’t heard Brexit mentioned by holiday bookers though or even NHS, remembering some interesting political discussions on other areas of what’s going on though .

It’s a high remain area and I doubt many voted for it, as I didn’t, it still just doesn’t dominate.

It may be in the media but so is political reticence. Labour adopting ‘take back control’ line when there is an opportunity to be bolder in other direction. If the opposition are still trying to appeal the the Brexit voter I’d say unfortunately the opportunity is passing.

pompomdaisy · 06/02/2023 08:24

Shortest thread ever!

tukker · 06/02/2023 08:31

darjeelingrose · 05/02/2023 15:54

Are you sure about that? I thought it was because once you are in the UK it is easier to get work illegally than it is in, say, France, where there are more checks. France takes loads more refugees than Britain, so it can't be that they think the legal route in the UK will be easier.

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France, Germany and Belgium take in a lot of refugees, its just the process of setting them up with residency etc takes a very long time. Whereas in the UK it takes 2 weeks. This is what I was told by an afghan refugee in France.

Deathbyfluffy · 06/02/2023 08:34

Wasn’t there a big red bus advertising £150 million a week for the NHS during the campaigning?
Wonder where that ended up…

TooBigForMyBoots · 06/02/2023 08:46

It was £350million @Deathbyfluffy. I think Michelle Mone and some other people have it.

GPTec1 · 06/02/2023 08:48

It’s a high remain area and I doubt many voted for it, as I didn’t, it still just doesn’t dominate

I live in a leave area and a tory one to boot but things have changed, our MP is now a joke figure, people who previously would have said "but corbyn would have been worse" now say they want her and the Tories gone.

Brexit is talked about because people see the harm its doing but i do agree it doesn't dominate.

I think as Alister Campbell said yesterday "Labour are behind public opinion" don't know if you heard the R4 debate yesterday but all the pro brexit speakers were laughed at and the remainers clapped, i think 12months ago that wouldn't have happened (audience didn't know the debate topic before applying)

@tukker ha ha so a refugee filled with lies about the UK's asylum process is to believed?
Did he also tell you he'd get a nice house and 50k in benefits too which you also believed?

Takes 1 to 3 years to hear an asylum claim, thats from the UK Govt itself.

AuxArmesCitoyens · 06/02/2023 08:55

It's also a MASSIVE FUCKING CHEEK of the Tories to claim the vaccine rollout as a Brexit benefit given they spent the entire pandemic going "oh no-one could have possibly predicted a pandemic", which is itself a MASSIVE FUCKING LIE because it had been top of the national risk register for years

Arrrrrrragghhh · 06/02/2023 08:57

We don’t have to pay the £17 billion a year we were paying in.
France is paying over £20 billion currently. It may not be going to the NHS but it’s there. We are paying a divorce bill but at £25 billion that’s less than two years membership.
France is striking over trains, ski lifts and airports. Not just us.
I don’t think anything that awful has happened after Brexit. It’s only been a couple of years and now EU trade is largely sorted we getting on with it. It was a major step. The benefits will be whatever successive governments make of it.

TooBigForMyBoots · 06/02/2023 09:07

Unfortunately EU trade isn't sorted.
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2023/feb/04/sunak-risks-full-scale-trade-war-with-brussels-by-scrapping-eu-laws
I'm in NI, we talk about Brexit quite a bit because it continues to be a fucking mess.

Alldrelaxzz · 06/02/2023 09:10

@Arrrrrrragghhh you are joking right?! You managed to miss out the reduction in GDP which even the government has admitted is going to be at least 4% every single year. Which works at about £32 billion. Alongside the fact that we also used to get about 2.5 billion in benefits (funding and grants).
Have a quick Google and read something that isn't the Daily Mail/telegraph etc

MarshaBradyo · 06/02/2023 09:14

GPTec1 · 06/02/2023 08:48

It’s a high remain area and I doubt many voted for it, as I didn’t, it still just doesn’t dominate

I live in a leave area and a tory one to boot but things have changed, our MP is now a joke figure, people who previously would have said "but corbyn would have been worse" now say they want her and the Tories gone.

Brexit is talked about because people see the harm its doing but i do agree it doesn't dominate.

I think as Alister Campbell said yesterday "Labour are behind public opinion" don't know if you heard the R4 debate yesterday but all the pro brexit speakers were laughed at and the remainers clapped, i think 12months ago that wouldn't have happened (audience didn't know the debate topic before applying)

@tukker ha ha so a refugee filled with lies about the UK's asylum process is to believed?
Did he also tell you he'd get a nice house and 50k in benefits too which you also believed?

Takes 1 to 3 years to hear an asylum claim, thats from the UK Govt itself.

No I didn’t listen the other day. I find even radio politics a bit too irritating these days, I used to listen more to HoC etc but have stopped.

I have picked up a little on why even though public opinion is said to have changed it’s not a voting opportunity at next GE. Since I get the feeling it’s the time when it could be changed but it’s passing - and I’m interested in that angle.

There has been talk in those interviews of public not wanting to return to the debate nor hear words such as CU or SM so both sides are avoiding it.

GPTec1 · 06/02/2023 11:04

Arrrrrrragghhh · 06/02/2023 08:57

We don’t have to pay the £17 billion a year we were paying in.
France is paying over £20 billion currently. It may not be going to the NHS but it’s there. We are paying a divorce bill but at £25 billion that’s less than two years membership.
France is striking over trains, ski lifts and airports. Not just us.
I don’t think anything that awful has happened after Brexit. It’s only been a couple of years and now EU trade is largely sorted we getting on with it. It was a major step. The benefits will be whatever successive governments make of it.

True, i did ask this earlier "What has happened to the £51bn we have saved since leaving?"
(ReesMogg actually said it £191bn saved since 2016.....)

The divorce bill is being paid back over many years, so surely we should have billions to spare? as you rightly point out, other countries are on their knees paying in so much... we should be at a distinct advantage, yet somehow we are not and according to every govt minister "the UK has no money"

Other countries have been effected equally by covid and war in Ukraine.

So why have we no money?

Or is someone lying about the amounts saved and the extra costs we now have?

France has strikes over a particular issue - state retirement age, if Sunak said we will retire at 83, we'd all grumble but accept it, weak... none of the other EU27 countries are striking are they?

jgw1 · 06/02/2023 12:32

GPTec1 · 06/02/2023 08:48

It’s a high remain area and I doubt many voted for it, as I didn’t, it still just doesn’t dominate

I live in a leave area and a tory one to boot but things have changed, our MP is now a joke figure, people who previously would have said "but corbyn would have been worse" now say they want her and the Tories gone.

Brexit is talked about because people see the harm its doing but i do agree it doesn't dominate.

I think as Alister Campbell said yesterday "Labour are behind public opinion" don't know if you heard the R4 debate yesterday but all the pro brexit speakers were laughed at and the remainers clapped, i think 12months ago that wouldn't have happened (audience didn't know the debate topic before applying)

@tukker ha ha so a refugee filled with lies about the UK's asylum process is to believed?
Did he also tell you he'd get a nice house and 50k in benefits too which you also believed?

Takes 1 to 3 years to hear an asylum claim, thats from the UK Govt itself.

Not just your MP, our beloved Tory now has to dodge posters of himself with lemons around town if he ever deigns to visit.
Remarkably for a pro-brexit semi-rural deeply conservative constituency the next MP will be a member of the Labour party.

jgw1 · 06/02/2023 12:34

GPTec1 · 06/02/2023 11:04

True, i did ask this earlier "What has happened to the £51bn we have saved since leaving?"
(ReesMogg actually said it £191bn saved since 2016.....)

The divorce bill is being paid back over many years, so surely we should have billions to spare? as you rightly point out, other countries are on their knees paying in so much... we should be at a distinct advantage, yet somehow we are not and according to every govt minister "the UK has no money"

Other countries have been effected equally by covid and war in Ukraine.

So why have we no money?

Or is someone lying about the amounts saved and the extra costs we now have?

France has strikes over a particular issue - state retirement age, if Sunak said we will retire at 83, we'd all grumble but accept it, weak... none of the other EU27 countries are striking are they?

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But we are in the UK so much more successful than the other major economies. For example we are the only major economy predicted to shrink this year. Which makes us unique and special.

HandyGirl76 · 06/02/2023 12:37

It doesn't matter, Boris was PM! That's all that matters. Yay!

HandyGirl76 · 06/02/2023 12:40

ListenToTheFacts · 04/02/2023 17:51

There are many Great Brexit Benefits.
• The replacement of the EU's unethical and environmentally destructive CAP with a new system of subsidies for farmers who improve animal welfare and who protect the environment.
• The end of EU FoM which led to discriminatory priority for Europeans over Non-Europeans. It has been replaced with a meritocratic migration policy which treats all world migrants fairly on a basis of equality of opportunity for all, regardless of their nationality (it also allows the UK to turn away EU criminals the EU wouldn't allow us to turn away).
• The end of EU SM which prevented the UK from banning unethical trades, resulting in the UK being the first European country to ban cruel live animal exports, and the first country in the world to ban the shark fin trade, with major steps forward towards bans on foie gras and fur imports.
• The introduction of Gene Editing (different to GM) which can eradicate disease and suffering in agriculture, benefit the environment, while increasing UK productivity.
• UK control of VAT allowing 0% on energy saving measures such as insulation, draught stripping, various heat pumps, wind turbines, water turbines, solar panels, etc. Much of this wouldn't have been possible under EU rules. The EU has previously blocked the UK from such measures. Although the EU has now followed the UK's lead on solar panels.
• Brexit driven wage increases, with wages up 18% across hospitality and catering and wages up 10% across retail. A great benefit for many British workers.
• The UKs independent vaccine programme. While this could technically have happened within the EU, Remainer MPs (including the Labour Shadow Cabinet) were openly against it. So, if we had voted to remain and left Remainers in charge, it wouldn't have happened.
• Increased sovereignty. Supremacy of EU Law and EU QMV allows the EU to pass laws even if EU States are against those laws. EU members are therefore not sovereign.
• Escape from the EU's democratic deficit. The EU's Executive Power holds all legislative initiative, yet faces no democratic public elections and can't even be removed by the European Parliament with anything less than a two thirds majority.
• End of EU CFP which restricted the UK Blue Belt Conservation Zone. The UK Government is introducing new Highly Protected Marine Areas (HPMAs) which maintain the strictest possible environmental protection, with a ban on all fishing, construction, etc. These can now be anywhere throughout the UK EEZ (thanks to Brexit).
• Ban on stun fishing throughout UK EEZ half a year before the EU.
• The EU has agreed to surrender 25% of its quota in British waters over five years, with 15% already surrendered in 2021 alone. After the five year period, the UK can reclaim 100% of the quota in British waters (although they will likely allow some continued access for the EU).
• Ban on destructive trawling of seabeds (and other damaging trawling practices) in several, pre-existing and significant UK Marine Protected Areas (MPAs). This was previously prevented by the EU CFP.
• Successfully signing trade deals around the world. The UK has secured all the trade deals it had via the EU, now without the billions of pounds per year in membership fees it previously paid the EU to access them. The UK has improved on trade deals the EU has with Japan and Singapore by securing important provisions on data and digital. The UK has secured trade deals with New Zealand and Australia (which the EU doesn't have). A trade deal with India is predicted to be finalized by the end of the year. The UK had reached the final phase of its accession process to the CPTPP.

Brexit has driven up wages... yeah and subsequently fuelled inflation. Also, there is a massive shortage of staff in some industries which means business are reducing hours or even shutting up shop as they can't afford the staff costs. Bl00dy awful for the tax take (and therefore the NHS, education etc) and the economy overall. But blue passports eh?

HandyGirl76 · 06/02/2023 12:41

ListenToTheFacts · 04/02/2023 17:51

There are many Great Brexit Benefits.
• The replacement of the EU's unethical and environmentally destructive CAP with a new system of subsidies for farmers who improve animal welfare and who protect the environment.
• The end of EU FoM which led to discriminatory priority for Europeans over Non-Europeans. It has been replaced with a meritocratic migration policy which treats all world migrants fairly on a basis of equality of opportunity for all, regardless of their nationality (it also allows the UK to turn away EU criminals the EU wouldn't allow us to turn away).
• The end of EU SM which prevented the UK from banning unethical trades, resulting in the UK being the first European country to ban cruel live animal exports, and the first country in the world to ban the shark fin trade, with major steps forward towards bans on foie gras and fur imports.
• The introduction of Gene Editing (different to GM) which can eradicate disease and suffering in agriculture, benefit the environment, while increasing UK productivity.
• UK control of VAT allowing 0% on energy saving measures such as insulation, draught stripping, various heat pumps, wind turbines, water turbines, solar panels, etc. Much of this wouldn't have been possible under EU rules. The EU has previously blocked the UK from such measures. Although the EU has now followed the UK's lead on solar panels.
• Brexit driven wage increases, with wages up 18% across hospitality and catering and wages up 10% across retail. A great benefit for many British workers.
• The UKs independent vaccine programme. While this could technically have happened within the EU, Remainer MPs (including the Labour Shadow Cabinet) were openly against it. So, if we had voted to remain and left Remainers in charge, it wouldn't have happened.
• Increased sovereignty. Supremacy of EU Law and EU QMV allows the EU to pass laws even if EU States are against those laws. EU members are therefore not sovereign.
• Escape from the EU's democratic deficit. The EU's Executive Power holds all legislative initiative, yet faces no democratic public elections and can't even be removed by the European Parliament with anything less than a two thirds majority.
• End of EU CFP which restricted the UK Blue Belt Conservation Zone. The UK Government is introducing new Highly Protected Marine Areas (HPMAs) which maintain the strictest possible environmental protection, with a ban on all fishing, construction, etc. These can now be anywhere throughout the UK EEZ (thanks to Brexit).
• Ban on stun fishing throughout UK EEZ half a year before the EU.
• The EU has agreed to surrender 25% of its quota in British waters over five years, with 15% already surrendered in 2021 alone. After the five year period, the UK can reclaim 100% of the quota in British waters (although they will likely allow some continued access for the EU).
• Ban on destructive trawling of seabeds (and other damaging trawling practices) in several, pre-existing and significant UK Marine Protected Areas (MPAs). This was previously prevented by the EU CFP.
• Successfully signing trade deals around the world. The UK has secured all the trade deals it had via the EU, now without the billions of pounds per year in membership fees it previously paid the EU to access them. The UK has improved on trade deals the EU has with Japan and Singapore by securing important provisions on data and digital. The UK has secured trade deals with New Zealand and Australia (which the EU doesn't have). A trade deal with India is predicted to be finalized by the end of the year. The UK had reached the final phase of its accession process to the CPTPP.

Oh and even the tories who negotiated it think the Australia trade deal was cr*p.