Ioan Gruffudd/Alice Evans

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Don’t know if anyone has followed this, but she had an arrest warrant issued today for failing to appear in court for breaching a restraining order he has for domestic abuse. Their poor children seem like an afterthought.

Yes they are both British that's why I talked about it . I can't understand why she signed it. Imagine if a SAHM did an AIBU about her DH leaving her for a woman 20 years younger and offering her a very small settlement. MN would be in uproar. I will never believe Ioan is a naive victim because he chose to set up that pre nup and never updated it after the kids were born. He held the power financially in the marriage.

To be honest Alice should offer him full custody she's going to lose anyway with the criminal convictions. I predict his relationship will last 6 months with the girls there.

The divorce settlement is a bit meaningless if he is actually broke.

10% of nothing is is the same as 50% of nothing.

Ok well cos he was having access and Alice interfered with it all for some months. She told the kids all untrue things and made them afraid to leave her. She also hijacked the FaceTimes butting in to yell at him and would record them, so even when he was away and trying to stay in touch, she wouldn’t let him, then when he did have the kids, she would keep threatening to call the police on him to bring them home. She also got the oldest one to say she would ONLY see dad at home and therefore, he wouldn’t go there (as it was so bad with Alice) so couldn’t see her. I believe it has been truly horrible for them.

Therefore I think Ioan seemed to have taken a step back, to lessen the drama and trauma for them and use the legal system instead. Alice also used their phones and emails to send him abuse.

this is all in court documents - with evidence

That's before all of the legal fees and his acting work drying up. If he would have offered her a fair amount of money she wouldn't be as unhinged. Alice only cares about money and not having to work He tried to screw her over and it's massively backfired they will both be broke.

Just a few points

I would be careful to take the "unfair" prenup as a fact. It's just Alice's word, no one here has seen it. And I recall reading that former friends of Alice have claimed that Ioan offered her a pretty generous settlement early on in the divorce proceedings (might not be true though). In fact, it becomes obvious in some text messages because in one message she demands "almost double of what you are offering" and in another message months earlier that she wants 300k per year, this suggests more than 150k per year. Perhaps even more if she was increasing her demands. No matter how you spin it this is way more than 10 %. Plus, it really isn't his responsibility. Alice didn't had to sign that prenup.

I also wouldn't take the narrative that she gave up her career as a fact. They had 2 nannies, she clearly could have worked, and did so long she got offers, like Vampire Diaries (her kids were 2 and 6). In his latest court filing he submits even proof of her going to auditions. It seems more like a convenient excuse for her lack of career.

As for the breakdown of the marriage: In one court filing Ioan submitted a video from the summer of 2020 where Alice in front of the kids threatens Ioan to call the police because he is sitting next to her and announced to them all that she wants a boyfriend. All because Ioan didnt approve of her countless fights on Social Media. In the end the daughter begged her to not to do it and offered to "fix" her father. A month later (although Ioan delivered no proof for this, but her twitter was very deranged on that day, so it's checking out) Alice hit him. This is where he decided to end the relationship. Also a few months earlier Alice was going crazy on twitter because of him not having left Australia yet because of the pandemic starting (production hadnt stop yet), people who worked on his TV show claimed later that she was threatening him with divorce. What I'm trying to say here: any claim that he blindsided Alice is pretty rubbish, she clearly wanted to seperate herself or coerce him into approving of her abusive behavior.

In terms of the financial situation Alice has said multiple times throughout their marriage that they have money issues and that it only normalized when he got more stable work. Now with lawyer fees, having to care for two households, no work recently it really isnt surprising that he is broke in my opinion.

With that I am not saying that Ioan is a saint, and by being discreet it's certainly harder to find fault even if there is (although nothing Alice has shown has convinced me). But I cannot see a single argument that excuses Alice.

Lmao, he personally posted one photo on his Instagram over a year ago. Hardly flaunting, is it.

Its been 2 years since he left her and even then he took nothing with him. He had to have independent witnesses with him when he went back to the house to collect his clothes.

He did offer her loads, she rejected it because people on Twitter told her he was hiding money and convinced her to stick it out. She’s shot herself in the foot because he submitted his financials and he’s now broke. She’s sacked every lawyer she’s had too

@Rosiefifi true, so self defeating on her part. He was the breadwinner and she damaged his reputation and earning potential.

If he'd offered a 50/50 split at the beginning she might not have done it- but who knows?

Maybe she looked at the 10% she was entitled to and thought, 'fuck it. I'd rather have revenge.'

Goodness, the way some people are talking on this thread you would think they know either Ioan or Alice personally. At the end of the day, there’s always three sides to any story - person a’s, person b’s and the truth. There may be various court documents flying around but both people will only be releasing information which paints the other in a negative light, not themselves. For the record, I think they’ve both completely lost themselves focusing on this ridiculousness and they’ve forgotten their children - who should be their top priority

He tried to keep in contact with his daughters but Alice was being difficult. If you read through the court documents I have linked you will see that several times when he has had the girls with him, Alice has phoned one of them and harassed him into bringing them back with threats of phoning the police. She has repeatedly told the children he is trying to kidnap them and send their mum to jail.

He had a somewhat regular visitation schedule with them but Alice kept dicking him around by cancelling at the last moment or telling him they didn’t want to see him. She told the girls that he didn’t want to see them and about his new girlfriend and how she was going to have a baby and their dad wouldn’t be interested in them anymore (parental alienation) to the point where they didn’t want to visit with him any more. She encouraged Ella (who is a moody pre teen whose parents are going through a messy separation and divorce) to be difficult and rude during her visits with him (there is a recording of her doing this with Alice on speakerphone, encouraging her to make a scene and belittling Ioan in front of the children).

If you’re talking about why he left to go to Australia and didn’t take them with him. He went to Australia to work. He cannot get work in L.A (there is an email between Ioan and Alice where she berates him for this as his agent’s advice). He cannot just take his kids without their mum’s permission, especially if he was trying to take them out of the country. It’s kidnap! He is going through the courts to get a fair custody deal.

I’ve just been following it for 2 years now. I don’t know them. It’s fine to not be interested in it, you do you hun.

Alice has never submitted any evidence of anything at all to any court so that’s all you have to go on, what she says on social media

Oh dear, Alice's oats are being sowed.

Absolutely no sympathy for her, she's an arsehole.

He did not offer her loads , certainly not half of the house or a settlement you would get here. He bought in trust I don't think her name is on it. Basically she went fuck it I'd rather have revenge , it's what happened with Betty Broderick, Dan started cutting her money off and he got custody of the kids. If I was him and had a unhinged ex , I'd just pay the money so things were calmer. He had the chance to get work and build his income back up. Everyone only knows him because of his toxic divorce and he's 50.

I don't think anyone is taking it personally or being disrespectful. It's just a discussion of opinions. I haven't agreed with everything @Habber said for example but I've enjoyed hearing her/his POV and ideas.

If that's not your thing, I get it. But weird to click on a thread that was pretty clearly intended for this exact kind of chat.

Alice married him when she was 40 and after seeing his engagement story, it was clearly an ultimatum. She chose to sign that document. She also chose to not work and save nothing. I’m sorry but no one has taken advantage of Alice. All women have their own options in life.

He did offer her a lot, when he had money. She had some of his fans she had turned against him and they then turned on HER and confessed that they had given up on her because she would not listen to any advice. They said they knew she had been given many generous options and turned them all down. Now she is in a worse position. That’s on Alice. She also earned loads from all her stories and TV appearances. Who spends money like that on nothing? He has paid all the bills so where did her earnings go?

Because Ioan sent her crazy.

This is the great devide that creates so much publicity.

I think Alice loved him and her children a great deal and she was used until he decided to find a more adoring, younger and appreciative model.

Story old as time.

The actual damage he is doing now is his reluctance to acept responsibility, to appear the victim, to re write history as though Alice has always been some kind of monster and to also not recompence his family for deserting them.

He's a dead beat dad really whose abandonned them, just with a little more cash, a public profile and a need to control the narrative, I don't think Alice is as shrewed as him, she wouldn't be losing control if she were, no she's hurt, badly hurt, publicly hurt and I think Ioan is going to regret this in years to come, all this drama and disloyalty to his own flesh and blood, I hope Biannca's worth it, because this is a spectacular shit show.

His peers must be thinking how badly he has navigated this, especially as he hasn't got the money, power or resouces to make Alice go away quietly.

Unless he's been siphoning monies away for years, now when would have been the best time to do that, maybe 3 years ago when Alice was complaining about finances 🤔

I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him.

There's always one.

Alice is not the victim you think she is.

He conducts his relationship with them via text because he used to have visits with them but Alice used to mess him around and cancel them at the last minute. Then she started to turn his daughters against him by stating he didn’t love them, was trying to get her put in jail, didn’t care about them anymore because he had a new girlfriend and that they would be replaced when he had a baby with Bianca. This parental alienation caused them not to want to visit him any more to the point they were hysterical and unpleasant when they were forced to spend time with him.

He tried to have phone conversation and video calls with them but Alice kept interrupting the calls to verbally and emotionally abuse him. So he refused to continue the calls as he didn’t want to have any non necessary communication with her. There is evidence that they did occasionally still contact him via phone and video call (particularly Elsie who appears to still have a good relationship with him).

This is all documented in the court case and some of these incidents were recorded by Ioan and the children and were presented as evidence in the court proceedings.

Agree vera.

I keep hearing that BW is an actress but I saw a series she was in (Australian comedy) and her acting was seriously awful.. never seen such poor acting.

I’ve also seen vampire diaries and equally not a fan of Alice’s acting either

A text relationship with your child is of no intrinsic worth when the child is old enough to know that it is being done that day to provide evidence for the court case against their mother. It would be better if he walked away and resumed a relationship with them when they are a bit older. This way is more damaging.

I knew someone who knew them both and he said Alice was a nightmare. This was twenty years ago so I'm not surprised it's turned out like this, just that it took so long.

Maybe so but this was another level of bad. It will be humiliating for IG if their new film has similar acting skills from BW.

This is where I am with it too. When I first read about this, just before the infamous Lorraine interview, all my sympathy was for her. I recognised him from TV years ago, hadn't heard of her. I thought he was a complete bastard at first. But from following her antics on social media and then reading the court documents, I completely changed my mind.