Ioan Gruffudd/Alice Evans

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Don’t know if anyone has followed this, but she had an arrest warrant issued today for failing to appear in court for breaching a restraining order he has for domestic abuse. Their poor children seem like an afterthought.

I've just read the statements of how much Alice has interfered with the visitations

Lying about where the girls are, calling them on the phone screaming when they're with him, threatening them that the police are coming to take their phones as Ioan wants to investigate the phones (when he asked for phone free time whilst with them), whispering things for them to say to him on the phone, setting the girls up to call him a wimp for 'leaving mummy' etc etc

Utterly vile behaviour

I think Alice is a very unwell woman, who has been treated badly and is lashing out in anger due to her pain.

Do you not see a woman driven to despair, someone who has lost control and therefor has mental helath issues going on. Alice's pain is palpable, I can't see anyone wanting to be in her situation if they are honest, the fact that it is all so public aswell takes it to another level.

I honestly think the only way she will calm down is if Ioan accepts his fault and admits that he did wrong, that he hurt her and has continued to provoke, re write history, gaslight and admit to his part in a smear campaign after she was right in finding him to be adulterous.

He won't though because he now is concentrating on financially abusing her.

For everyone who thinks Alice is a narcissist, I just don't see it, I see a woman who has been driven to insanity and ill mental health. The level of hate this woman has recieved on line from people is astonishing, coupled with the hate of her ex and his partner, and her inlaws I can't believe she's actually still standing.

There seems to be little compassion for Alice.

This can’t be remotely serious.? Surely no one is this gullible ?

How is he financially abusing her @HateandLove ? For not absolutely giving in to her demands? For his still paying all the bills and mortgage still? For expecting her as an adult to pay towards her own life.
Bloody hell, if you think that's financially abusive you have been very sheltered!

This can’t be remotely serious.? Surely no one is this gullible ?

I'm afraid it's how many people think. I do think this schism and devision in voicing support is on some boards quite bullying.

There are a fiar few supporters of Ioan and his rights that are male who them themselves feel have been hurt, ripped off and taken to the cleaners by ex wives, with wrecked childrens relationships. The females probably consist of 2nd wives and relatives of men that have been 'abused' by ex's.

Many who support Alice do not wish for the vitriol that comes with supporting her or at least understanding her, and her present illness.

Your comment above is rude, dismissive and patronising.

But great to know you stand on the side of DARVO abusers..

honestly think the only way she will calm down is if Ioan accepts his fault and admits that he did wrong, that he hurt her and has continued to provoke

-i could be calm but I don't want to

-Look what you made me do

-just accept your guilt and it'll all be fine

-if things go.wrong it's on you

Nice.

Bloody hell, if you think that's financially abusive you have been very sheltered!

And if you believe Ioan's honesty around money then I think you are naive.

I would trust no man dealing with money going through a difficult divorce, neither would any lawyer or forensic financial accountant.

You appaear to be in LaLa land where Ioan is concerned.

@HateandLove

Out of interest, have you read the court documents?

Well yes they are. People project their experiences and bias onto other peoples situations. Alice Evans uses this and sends out dog whistles to try to get people to identify with her. Which is why her story is all over the place and full of contradictions and lies.

The woman “who had no money” and had to ask for donations showed up in court with a brand new iPhone 14. She basically conned her fans to give her money.

Lets get some basic fact right.

Alice Evans was born into privilege and advantage. She is a child of professional middle class parents. She has dual US and UK citizenship. She received a top class and free university education. She was wealthy enough to travel Europe as a young person. She has had more opportunity and access to wealth and career advancement than any normal person. That she failed in a series of careers for which she was unsuited is her responsibility.

She married at 40 in 2010 as an experienced woman of the world in 2010 and there is no way she didn’t know the probability of a divorce. Following marriage she had access to a career, childcare and domestic support.

She is control and always has been. She is privileged and advantaged. She is not a victim of circumstance or the patriarchy.

It takes work to fuck up that degree of opportunity and privilege. It takes an immoral person to ask others to give her money when she had a fat bank account. But she did.

She isn’t condemned by his words. She is was judged on what she said and did.

@Sunshinegirl82

Read some of it, but as far as I'm concerned this is marriage warfare although people present Alice as the first woman who's ever had a meltdown, in fact I would say it's quite common but people don't admit it and theirs is not public, so the evidence is not reported.

I agree she's acting out of control, she is not on top of her emotions but that does not negate that she's been treated badly or unfairly.

@MichelleScarn comments above about abuse, how Alice is trying to control, I would say Ioan is doing the very same with the children, denying their reality.

He wants them on board and even if they have their own opinions he will word it as coming from Alice. He will punish them by stonewalling, silent treatment and neglect. If they agree to his new life his entitlements without shame he will accept them again.
If they accept his narrative that their mother is abusive and he is free from blame, they must be so confused, they can see the blindingly obvious but are being asked to ignor it.

I do think Ioan is getting carried away being cruel, he's forgotten how to be kind and is getting wrapped up in winning at the expense of destroying his own blood.
I think he's quite immature and it will take along time if not forever to see he's hardly acted as a decent father and husband.

I do think that if you haven't read all the court documents (including the most recent about the disruption to visitation) it's pretty much impossible to form a balanced view.

People keep referring to the court documents like they contain absolute objective truths.

They are one persons version of events, which is highly subjective, and will obviously leave out parts that reflect badly on themselves.

I think they're both hideous people BTW, not defending Alice at all.

@HateandLove ahhh I see. So Alice calling her daughter a little bitch was Ioan's fault? And Alice telling her children that their dad wanted her dead was Ioan's fault? And when she mocked his 'enormous nose', told him he was boring, implied one of her daughters was clever whilst the other was...not so much, that was Ioan's fault?

I'm just not sure where you're getting this narrative when the documents prove she is abusive and don't show any of the details you lay out?

Ioan absolutely seems to be the sterner parent and he definitely could have acted differently but putting the blame on him for Alice's behaviour is just...beyond me?

They are reflective of the parties positions on various points and contain evidence of the points made - both sides have had an opportunity to submit court documents so they are not one sided.

Obviously the intention of them is to persuade a court to agree with a party's position in a particular point but I think if you haven't read them then it's pretty much impossible to have an informed view.

They are one persons version of events

I do agree here...but Alice has submitted a few bits that don't show or prove anything. So if she had evidence that proved her side, don't you think she'd use it?

@LemonTT

You just sound envious.

Alice's fall from grace has been quite spectacular, her standard of living has nothing to do with being treated badly, just becuase others have not lived her way of life.

Anyone who has a sucessful partner, who has contributed supporting them in life usually has some expectations upon divorce, most decent men wouldn't have their ex's being humiliated by destroying them financially.

Many men are decent towards their children and ex's and try to cause the least disruption given they were selfish in starting a new life and leaving their family but it appears Ioan wants it all.

The rediculousness on this thread, a new I phone ffs.
Honestly the Ioan supporters, I'm sure they won't be happy untill they see Alice wandering arround the strets of LA homeless with liquor in a brown paper bag.

IG did (according to the court docs) pay all expenses on the family home together with all medical insurance, phone bills etc together with incidentals such as food etc for AE and the DC and the continued employment of the nanny for approximately 2 years after they separated.

Yeah I can see where you are coming from a drunken woman calls her daughter a bitch, she's lashing out, it goes like this, Ioan hurts Alice and then Alice takes it out on the kids. He knows the result.

You make a wife happy on the other hand and you get a great mother, it's not rocket science.
And Alice accused Ioan of wanting his family to dissapear, revolting yes, but understandable because he did himself dissapear for a year.

A big nose, he's boring, really you think that's abusive ?
This mumsnet is not the real world.

I'm sure the judges understand, they are just trying to quieten Alice down so she doesn't give him anymore ammunitian to beat her with.
Hopefully she will get some justice when the divorce finalises.

Well, she now has a restraining order against her (which means she is not entitled to spousal support in the divorce). She has also allegedly breached that restraining order and if found guilty of that will have a criminal conviction. Realistically her chances of retaining significant custody of the children are almost nil.

AE has agency and autonomy over her own behaviour. Her actions are damaging the children and sabotaging her own position. If her mental health is such that she cannot control her own actions then she needs to seek immediate medical/psychiatric support.

I had so much sympathy for her when this began. But her behaviour has become scarily selfish and unhinged. She hasn't acted with an ounce of class for a while. Their poor kids. They've handled it terribly.

This is ludicrous. Surely @HateandLove you can’t believe the nonsense you are writing. Alice is a grown woman responsible fo her own behaviour.

She needs the divorce out of the way.

Then she needs to do a book deal and then a netflix deal.

Perhaps she should stop applying to delay the hearings then, might help.

There will definitely be a book deal.

So basically Ioan, as an adult, is responsible for his actions, but Alice on the other hand isn’t. If you’re a woman then it’s someone else’s fault, but not if you’re a man. Convenient.

Alice has been an arsehole for years. She hasn’t undergone a sudden personality transplant, as many people that have had the misfortune of encountering her can attest.