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Ioan Gruffudd/Alice Evans

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Notatallanamechange · 28/01/2023 00:46

Don’t know if anyone has followed this, but she had an arrest warrant issued today for failing to appear in court for breaching a restraining order he has for domestic abuse. Their poor children seem like an afterthought.

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Rosiefifi · 30/01/2023 10:20

Vivi0 · 30/01/2023 10:16

Ioan has had an impossible task in establishing and maintaining contact with his daughters due to the psychological abuse and parental alienation and refusal of contact and false allegations.

What false allegations? When did his daughters make false allegations?

In Ioan’s position you’ve got to take contact when you can get it, and he was the one who refused contact, correct?

She spent 400 dollars on his Amazon account then said she would report him to CPS for taking her out of her school. That's the supposed terrible things she has done that make her Alice. Social services would laugh at that. This doesn't sound like a criminal mastermind but a poor traumatised kid who is acting up a bit but who wouldn't with Alice for a mother and a disinterested father.

ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 30/01/2023 10:22

Vivi0 · 30/01/2023 09:56

It was in the middle of covid. Do you have any idea how many theme parks and other crowded places were actually shut down for ages during covid due to risk and how many parents chose not to take their kids to crowded places like theme parks during covid?

Given the increased risk of catching COVID when travelling in enclosed spaces, maybe all those work trips/holidays weren’t such a good idea.

Bingo!

Vivi0 · 30/01/2023 10:35

Rosiefifi · 30/01/2023 10:20

She spent 400 dollars on his Amazon account then said she would report him to CPS for taking her out of her school. That's the supposed terrible things she has done that make her Alice. Social services would laugh at that. This doesn't sound like a criminal mastermind but a poor traumatised kid who is acting up a bit but who wouldn't with Alice for a mother and a disinterested father.

What kind of idiot gives their child access to that kind of money. The fault there lies firmly with the parent.

As for calling Social Services, it doesn’t take a genius to figure out that that is the desperate cry of a child with no power or control, trying to communicate their pain to someone who isn’t listening.

What would Social Services do about it? Nothing. It’s such a non event.

It’s really pathetic that that is the extent of his daughter’s “crimes”.

Those poor children.

BashirWithTheGoodBeard · 30/01/2023 10:47

Rosiefifi · 30/01/2023 10:20

She spent 400 dollars on his Amazon account then said she would report him to CPS for taking her out of her school. That's the supposed terrible things she has done that make her Alice. Social services would laugh at that. This doesn't sound like a criminal mastermind but a poor traumatised kid who is acting up a bit but who wouldn't with Alice for a mother and a disinterested father.

Poor kid.

Habber · 30/01/2023 10:49

@Vivi0
sorry this is confusing
when you have an Amazon account your card is saved on it for when you make purchases on IG
she got into his account and spent $400
I mean it is theft. This is now incredibly warped that an act of theft is.. his own fault? He didn’t give her access, she got in and took it
she also hacked into his social media accounts

I also feel very sorry for the children and I also understand why it might not feel safe to approach a relationship without any boundaries.

Again it is disingenuous and to fit your narrative that he has rejected her by saying ‘not this weekend’ to a theme park, in a very short window of time during the actual treatment she was going through. They travelled and did things in other windows of time, when she wasn’t having that treatment. It’s such a small tiny snapshot in time that you are clinging to with the tips of your fingers into making it into something it doesn’t even seem to be.

Vivi0 · 30/01/2023 10:57

Habber · 30/01/2023 10:49

@Vivi0
sorry this is confusing
when you have an Amazon account your card is saved on it for when you make purchases on IG
she got into his account and spent $400
I mean it is theft. This is now incredibly warped that an act of theft is.. his own fault? He didn’t give her access, she got in and took it
she also hacked into his social media accounts

I also feel very sorry for the children and I also understand why it might not feel safe to approach a relationship without any boundaries.

Again it is disingenuous and to fit your narrative that he has rejected her by saying ‘not this weekend’ to a theme park, in a very short window of time during the actual treatment she was going through. They travelled and did things in other windows of time, when she wasn’t having that treatment. It’s such a small tiny snapshot in time that you are clinging to with the tips of your fingers into making it into something it doesn’t even seem to be.

I have no idea how an Amazon account works, so just assumed his bank card was connected to the account she uses, but even with the clarification, no, I wouldn’t consider my child to have committed theft against me at all.

I’d be looking at why this had happened - it’s clearly a cry for attention. At this point, she is getting none of his attention.

He should be looking at himself instead of punishing his 12 year old daughter.

Love is needed here, not punitive action.

I think that’s part of the problem.

Vivi0 · 30/01/2023 11:01

Again it is disingenuous and to fit your narrative that he has rejected her by saying ‘not this weekend’ to a theme park, in a very short window of time during the actual treatment she was going through. They travelled and did things in other windows of time, when she wasn’t having that treatment. It’s such a small tiny snapshot in time that you are clinging to with the tips of your fingers into making it into something it doesn’t even seem to be.

I’m not clinging with the tips of my fingers to anything.

That is what happened.

His daughter is only 12 - she won’t be able to make the distinction between rejection and the reasons for that “rejection”. To her, it’s rejection all the same.

It would be helpful to look at the situation, not through Ioan’s eyes, but through the eyes of his children.

Rosiefifi · 30/01/2023 11:01

Yes but she's 12 doesn't make her an evil mastermind. My 12 year old niece spent £800 on an online game not traumatised normal background . She was given a stern telling off , parents requested a refund then parental locks were put on.

Also yes he hadn't seen his traumatised daughter for months she offers to go to a theme park. He could have self isolated he said no.

ambientrock · 30/01/2023 11:08

What happens about the arrest warrant now? @Notatallanamechange Her Instagram and Twitter accounts have been quiet for months, as far as I can see?

Who is Tony that keeps being referenced?

Habber · 30/01/2023 11:19

She was back on Twitter until the news of the arrest came to light now she’s deleted

Tony is her brother

it is interesting that Ioan has spent months compiling all his evidence of contact attempts, his finances etc and all Alice has been able to focus on is internet trolls. Alice can submit all her evidence to court of Ioan’s parenting if she wants to, but she can’t as apart from that one text message screenshot she doesn’t seem to have anything. Alice is not as bothered about her kids as she would have you believe. It speaks volumes that whilst she’s in the process of gaining criminal convictions she’s laughing when her daughter copied her - Alice thought what her daughter did was hilarious. If you have a very manipulative toxic parent that child is going to be very enmeshed in that world and that parent and it wouldn’t have mattered what her dad did because everything is being so darkly twisted

Rosiefifi · 30/01/2023 11:20

ambientrock · 30/01/2023 11:08

What happens about the arrest warrant now? @Notatallanamechange Her Instagram and Twitter accounts have been quiet for months, as far as I can see?

Who is Tony that keeps being referenced?

Tony's her brother he seems unhinged and spends his time writing crap on twitter, defending her.

hothands · 30/01/2023 11:20

Who is Tony that keeps being referenced?

I think that's Alice's brother. I seem to recall she used to interact with his Twitter account, and it may have been him or could possibly have been one of her sock accounts.

Butchyrestingface · 30/01/2023 11:20

Anyone know if they've actually got her in irons yet?

Rosiefifi · 30/01/2023 11:28

Habber · 30/01/2023 11:19

She was back on Twitter until the news of the arrest came to light now she’s deleted

Tony is her brother

it is interesting that Ioan has spent months compiling all his evidence of contact attempts, his finances etc and all Alice has been able to focus on is internet trolls. Alice can submit all her evidence to court of Ioan’s parenting if she wants to, but she can’t as apart from that one text message screenshot she doesn’t seem to have anything. Alice is not as bothered about her kids as she would have you believe. It speaks volumes that whilst she’s in the process of gaining criminal convictions she’s laughing when her daughter copied her - Alice thought what her daughter did was hilarious. If you have a very manipulative toxic parent that child is going to be very enmeshed in that world and that parent and it wouldn’t have mattered what her dad did because everything is being so darkly twisted

Alice is a nasty person, Ella needs stable people in her life right now. She has no extended family , Ioan needs to be showing he's there for her. Not gallivanting round the world on non work related trips. She's incredibly angry and has lashed out which is normal for a traumatised child.

ambientrock · 30/01/2023 11:29

Thanks for clarifying who Tony is. I thought it might be a sock account!

Habber · 30/01/2023 11:29

Rosiefifi · 30/01/2023 11:01

Yes but she's 12 doesn't make her an evil mastermind. My 12 year old niece spent £800 on an online game not traumatised normal background . She was given a stern telling off , parents requested a refund then parental locks were put on.

Also yes he hadn't seen his traumatised daughter for months she offers to go to a theme park. He could have self isolated he said no.

And her mum laughed at what she did and thought it was brilliant. She was not disciplined by her mother. Her father clearly has tried to discipline her and explain it is wrong.

This is so contradictory. Can you make your mind up whether it’s good or bad parenting to tell your traumatised kids something is wrong and there are consequences (perhaps no fancy expensive outings) or you just let it go and give them whatever they want to try to win their love? Ioan is not competing with Alice to win their affection and rightly so. Why should he be bending over backwards rewarding bad behaviour instead of modelling consistency and consequences?

He clearly states he has told them he loves them and is trying to do right by them but he is also in conflict with a parent who has NO boundaries. I am not my child’s friend and I am not their parent to try to make them like me, this is not what it’s about.

hothands · 30/01/2023 11:36

This is so contradictory. Can you make your mind up whether it’s good or bad parenting to tell your traumatised kids something is wrong and there are consequences (perhaps no fancy expensive outings) or you just let it go and give them whatever they want to try to win their love? Ioan is not competing with Alice to win their affection and rightly so. Why should he be bending over backwards rewarding bad behaviour instead of modelling consistency and consequences?

If you're telling your children that you won't see them until they have therapy, I feel sorry for your kids. If you tell your kids you won't take them on their choice of day out after not seeing them for many months because of your new girlfriend's illness, yet you're happy to jet off around the world with said girlfriend, I feel sorry for your kids. If you decide to go to Australia on a jolly, instead of keeping your contact appointments, I feel sorry for your kids.

These are not the actions of a loving and consistent father.

Habber · 30/01/2023 11:36

Alice also used one more example of Ioan’s parenting, it was removed from Instagram but I did see it before it was. It put Alice into an even worse light than I thought possible

it was a video of Ioan having dinner with his kids at his house. Alice was recording the FaceTime on a 2nd phone. The older child was crying as her dad had said she needed to eat her dinner and do her homework and then she could have the fizzy drink she was asking for. As the child was not happy with this boundary she called her mum as she wanted the drink now, and she was groaning and crying. Ioan kept calmly repeating he was just asking her to finish her homework and eat her dinner he had made, but Alice was being strangely OTT and dramatic telling her child that she didn’t have to do anything he said, and that alice would come collect her immediately and then the child started screaming that no one was listening to her and then both Alice and the child were screaming at Ioan whilst he stood silently

Rosiefifi · 30/01/2023 11:37

Habber · 30/01/2023 11:29

And her mum laughed at what she did and thought it was brilliant. She was not disciplined by her mother. Her father clearly has tried to discipline her and explain it is wrong.

This is so contradictory. Can you make your mind up whether it’s good or bad parenting to tell your traumatised kids something is wrong and there are consequences (perhaps no fancy expensive outings) or you just let it go and give them whatever they want to try to win their love? Ioan is not competing with Alice to win their affection and rightly so. Why should he be bending over backwards rewarding bad behaviour instead of modelling consistency and consequences?

He clearly states he has told them he loves them and is trying to do right by them but he is also in conflict with a parent who has NO boundaries. I am not my child’s friend and I am not their parent to try to make them like me, this is not what it’s about.

If I hadn't seen my kids for months then yes I would go. It's an opportunity to see them face to face after months of no contact and going abroad on holiday. Saying no I can't because of my new girlfriend on the face of it looks bad to a child. It seems like rejection , you are viewing it through the lense of an adult not how a traumatised ( feeling abandoned )child views it..

Butchyrestingface · 30/01/2023 11:38

ambientrock · 30/01/2023 11:29

Thanks for clarifying who Tony is. I thought it might be a sock account!

I think it is.

She has more socks than John Lewis.

hothands · 30/01/2023 11:41

then the child started screaming that no one was listening to her

I wonder why. That poor, poor child. She has an abusive mother and a cold and weak father who is more interested in his love life than his children.

Rosiefifi · 30/01/2023 11:42

Habber · 30/01/2023 11:36

Alice also used one more example of Ioan’s parenting, it was removed from Instagram but I did see it before it was. It put Alice into an even worse light than I thought possible

it was a video of Ioan having dinner with his kids at his house. Alice was recording the FaceTime on a 2nd phone. The older child was crying as her dad had said she needed to eat her dinner and do her homework and then she could have the fizzy drink she was asking for. As the child was not happy with this boundary she called her mum as she wanted the drink now, and she was groaning and crying. Ioan kept calmly repeating he was just asking her to finish her homework and eat her dinner he had made, but Alice was being strangely OTT and dramatic telling her child that she didn’t have to do anything he said, and that alice would come collect her immediately and then the child started screaming that no one was listening to her and then both Alice and the child were screaming at Ioan whilst he stood silently

Ok why make a massive drama over a drink? A child is having mental health issues in the middle of a toxic divorce he says I won't have contact until you have therapy which is likely to add to the child's trauma and abandonment issues . That is shit parenting. Just say ok gentle parenting is needed at least for a while until the custody is sorted out. You don't make conditions on having contact with a 12/13 year old child it's wrong.

Habber · 30/01/2023 11:46

Rosiefifi · 30/01/2023 11:37

If I hadn't seen my kids for months then yes I would go. It's an opportunity to see them face to face after months of no contact and going abroad on holiday. Saying no I can't because of my new girlfriend on the face of it looks bad to a child. It seems like rejection , you are viewing it through the lense of an adult not how a traumatised ( feeling abandoned )child views it..

No, because he said I cannot go on this occasion. He then explained why.

He then said ‘let’s do something outdoors instead’

Alice did not show the child’s follow up messages to her dad - which is important because what followed had no context/was completely out of context with the preceding screen shot of his text message was of a DIFFERENT OCCASION when she was asking to go to a concert. The child wanted to go to a KPOP concert, which Alice took her to and the tickets were over $1,000 each

He said: a lot needs to happen before we can go to a concert as your actions have been far too serious (here is a parenting boundary). This does not say ‘I am never seeing you again’ and neither does it say ‘I’m not seeing you until you have therapy’ it says I am not going to take you to a concert as you misbehaved and we need to work on our relationship

Rosiefifi · 30/01/2023 11:52

Habber · 30/01/2023 11:46

No, because he said I cannot go on this occasion. He then explained why.

He then said ‘let’s do something outdoors instead’

Alice did not show the child’s follow up messages to her dad - which is important because what followed had no context/was completely out of context with the preceding screen shot of his text message was of a DIFFERENT OCCASION when she was asking to go to a concert. The child wanted to go to a KPOP concert, which Alice took her to and the tickets were over $1,000 each

He said: a lot needs to happen before we can go to a concert as your actions have been far too serious (here is a parenting boundary). This does not say ‘I am never seeing you again’ and neither does it say ‘I’m not seeing you until you have therapy’ it says I am not going to take you to a concert as you misbehaved and we need to work on our relationship

He needs to own up to his shitty behaviour as well instead of putting conditions on a 12 year old. He's the one who's gone globe trotting and left them alone with Alice. Putting in boundaries/conditions when you haven't been an active parent is just asking for them to rebel against them.

dmme · 30/01/2023 11:52

I don't know if it was mentioned in here before but it's not that Bianca can never get exposed to others. Ioan's point was that she was taking medication (steroids I believe, she mentioned it on Insta) that makes you vulnerable for a couple of days (she takes them when she is relapsing, so very rarely). That on times that she isnt taking those medications she is travelling is a pretty irrelevant argument that is keep getting forwarded here. Ioan could have suggested however to do this theme park visit on a different date, but we don't know how this convo continued, Alice cropped one of his responses out (you can see that he replied). I also don't agree that he should have moved a week into a hotel (or her), seems a bit unreasonable for something that can be easily rescheduled.

I also don't think the childs behavior should be minimized and no, I dont blame her. She stole money, hacked his IG and posted horrible comments, and then threatened CPS over him not paying her expensive school. There was also a video Alice posted once on IG that showed her facetiming the kid while she was at her fathers, and she acted up over not getting her favourite drink. Alice was recording this over a second phone. Sure, it's a cry for help, but there is no doubt in my mind that his lawyers will have told him that this child has a high chance to be used by her mother to come up with bigger accusations if in his custody. So it's very reasonable to me to insist on therapy before resuming to see the child. And I believe this happened a few months ago actually.

In that sense I cant hold that UK trip against him. From what it appears his lawyers were negotiating therapy at the time (and got it months later), he was not going to see them anyway, so why not visiting family? I think the OZ trip is more problematic as it fell right when he finally got therapy and visitation, but if it was scheduled I kinda get it, he could have made the sacrifice here though imo, but in the grand picture it really doesnt make a difference if they see him after 15 months again or after 15 months and 1 week, but w/e. All other trips were work trips.

Obviously he is not perfect, moving so quickly together with the girlfriend was for example not smart, even if the damage was already done way earlier. I'm sure he is a flawed father, like most are, but some criticism here is pretty stupid. In my opinion it's bad parenting if you think you should do everything a child wants (especially one that threatens and when it affects someones health), and contrary to what people believe you are not a good parent if you break laws or put yourself in danger of legal action in order to see your child. You cannot just take the kids and leave if the other party doesnt let you, and the bar to remove children from a parents care is extremely high in California, especially for wealthy people who have a nanny, which is why it almost always ends in 50/50 custody. I also don't think you can hold it against him that he tried to settle out of court first, it saves a lot of pain, like having to reveal all those awful things in court documents. And it's also not wrong to file for joint custody, it shows a level of cooperation, and with the charges against her it will be difficult for Alice anyway.

Having said all this, while I certainly don't think that Ioan is a saint, it does concern me where the focus of this discussion is. Even if it's casually prefaced in some posts here that Alice is terrible it then moves on to exclusively trash her victim, her role in the struggles Ioan and the kids have in their relationship seems to be greatly underestimated.

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