Ioan Gruffudd/Alice Evans

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Don’t know if anyone has followed this, but she had an arrest warrant issued today for failing to appear in court for breaching a restraining order he has for domestic abuse. Their poor children seem like an afterthought.

You can think what you want , I think Alice is very bad who is putting her children through hell. Then there's Ioan who puts living his best life over his kids. It's really not black and white I dislike both , my only sympathies are with the children who have had no choice about what's going on.

There seems to be so many woman with such irrational hatred for Alice Evans, a stranger that they never have and will never meet, that their loathing extends to her children, simply because she is their mother.

There is no empathy for 2 young girls living with an (apparently) abusive mother, a father who has, in their eyes at least, abandoned them, and having to deal with significant life changes on top of that.

There is no understanding that Ioan is, first and foremost, a father and that his daughters need him, and need to be his priority. The girls seem to be viewed as “Alice’s daughters” who are fair game for ridicule and criticism, just like their mother.

Its insanity.

There was one poster on here applauding Ioan for giving his 12 year old daughter “a wide bearth”.

Why do you think it is rational to refer to parents who don’t agree Ioan is prioritising his daughters as the “Alice Fan Club” - last time I checked there were ZERO posts in defence of Alice.

Just lunacy.

This is also a parenting website so discussing parenting is par for the course 🤣.

Hatred for Alice Evans is not irrational. Read the court documents. Her abuse is documented in black and white. She's a terrible person and her daughters should be removed from her care.

And she has alienated those girls from Ioan (which, yes, is a thing and does happen - I should know because my father tried to alienate me from my mother).

You cannot effectively co parent with an abuser and you cannot simply remove your child from them either as courts insist on contact with both parents.

Except that almost all the evidence being used in this thread for Ioan being the world's worst father who mistreats his children comes from Alice and her social media. A woman who has a restraining order against her for the abuse she perpetrated against him. Yet you use her as your source of truth to condemn Ioan as being a terrible father. You ignore every piece of context in court documents about the reasons why Ioan has had an impossible task in establishing and maintaining contact with his daughters due to the psychological abuse and parental alienation and refusal of contact and false allegations.

To ignore court documents and to use Alice and social media as your source of information says all anyone really needs to know.

I'd say hatred is a bit irrational considering you don't personally know her. I've read the court documents she's a vile person, I don't personally hate her because I don't know her. The people I feel most sorry for are her children which posters have tried to write off as being like Alice. The eldest is 13 and needs support and care.

Very strange behaviour to be insulting a 13 year old.

Agree with this. The poor kid is 12/13, she’s been through a horrific, publicly played out family split, and she’s had to leave her school. Some of her behaviour has been poor, but do you blame her? She needs care, love and support, not having her personality analysed and gossiped about on forums.

They aren't like Alice but if you read the court documents you would see they are being controlled, manipulated, brainwashed and psychologically abused by Alice who has single handedly turned them against Ioan. There is no Ioan-daughter relationship or interaction - Alice is in the middle of it both directly and indirectly. Ioan has to proceed with extreme caution given the lengths Alice will go through the girls to hurt him

Did Ioan not meet a girlfriend post thank you for making me smile again, fly her in then move in together very quickly ? Did Ioan not fly round the world for extended periods of time with his girlfriend some of it was not work related ?
Did Ioan not refuse to take his traumatised daughter to a theme park prioritising his girlfriend, knowing he had not seen her for months and that she was living with unstable Alice. Did Ioan not refuse to take his daughter when him and his girlfriend had been flying round the world and in busy crowded airports? This is a parenting website and Ioan isn't the best parent.

Actually she texted her dad and asked to go to the theme park which obviously part of her wanted to see her dad, which he said no as Bianca might get ill. At the time he had not seen her for months.

No, I don't actually know any of those things to be true.

He posted she made him smile again - what is wrong with that?

I don't know the timeline or date she moved in?

I have no idea if he was flying around the world at a time when he otherwise would have had the girls at his house had he not been travelling. The court documents state they refused to go, believing he was evil. What was their custody schedule and how do you know the dates of his travel were at a time when he was on vacation to avoid custody time?

I am not sure that not taking a child to a theme park on their request makes them the world's worst parent. We have no idea of the entirety of that conversation as to my knowledge all that was posted was a couple texts - and wasn't it Alice who posted them? Were they submitted in court documents?

Did Ioan refuse to take his daughters but fly around the world with Bianca - I have not seen any evidence of that at all. Again, if you have court documents supporting that happneed, please share them.

Hatred for a stranger who has no bearing on your life is irrational.

The way that stranger’s minor child is spoken about is irrational.

Referring to parents, chatting on a parenting forum about Ioan’s decision as a parent, as the “Alice Fan Club” is irrational.

Unfortunately, I don’t believe the information contained within the court documents meets the threshold for removal of the children from Alice’s care.

They have another parent who should be stepping in. And who isn’t.

There seems to be a dedicated group of women online who will find every reason possible to excuse Ioan not prioritising his daughters, even going so far as to insinuate his 12 year old is abusive.

It’s sickening.

He posted thank you for making me smile again , do his 2 daughters not make him smile? Considering he wasn't seeing them , he was in the UK for 6 weeks not really work related at all it was on her Instagram. I don't know what custody schedule is it ok not to see your kids for 6 weeks. 6 weeks is a long time for a child, the child would know he wasn't there , and if they did want to see him they couldn't.

Then he went to Australia with his girlfriend not work related again He seems to prioritise travelling instead of making sure his daughters know he's there for them. Yes they might be alienated but he makes it easy for Alice to do that when he gallivants round the world not working.

It was in the middle of covid. Do you have any idea how many theme parks and other crowded places were actually shut down for ages during covid due to risk and how many parents chose not to take their kids to crowded places like theme parks during covid? So given it was actually the prudent thing that most parents were doing (in avoiding large crowded place during covid) who put her up to that specific request to do a risky activity in the middle of a pandemic? Million of families were worried about passing covid along to vulnerable others or to the effects of covid on themselves. Just because Trump and the US downplayed the risk, it doesn't mean there was no risk. Over a million Americans died. Many countries shut down places like theme parks. Just because they kept them open in the USA doesn't mean it was safe or smart to go to them. She hasn't seen him for months and then in the middle of a pandemic she contacts him wanting to only do one thing that is inadvisable for health and infection control reasons. Hmmm, not possible that Alice was behind that?

Agree with this. He is playing the victim but he could have prioritized his daughters over both his career and his love life. And chose not to.

Considering it was perfectly fine for them to go travelling through crowded airports, planes and round the world. It was a poor excuse if they were that worried he could have self isolated for some days. Nothing would stop you from seeing your child that you had not seen for months.

It was in the middle of covid. Do you have any idea how many theme parks and other crowded places were actually shut down for ages during covid due to risk and how many parents chose not to take their kids to crowded places like theme parks during covid?

Given the increased risk of catching COVID when travelling in enclosed spaces, maybe all those work trips/holidays weren’t such a good idea.

I know Alice appreciates all your support in vilifying Ioan.

Do you really think the girls suddenly actually wanted to see Ioan - of course not. They made the suggestion they did for a reason and Alice was behind it.

Do you also work this hard to attack mothers who have had to take out restraining orders against the fathers or fathers who have taken the children away from mothers?

Your misandry and bitterness helps no one.

I am disengaging as contributing to hate against victims of violence helps no one and this thread is just a cesspool.

That’s a bit rich coming from someone who appears to have no qualms about vilifying young, traumatised children.

And anyway, no one is even talking about Alice.

Yet you’re still at it with “but Alice, Alice, Alice”…it’s an obsession.

I have never once vilified his children.

Your hate and efforts to personally attack me with lies won't work. Do better. Be a decent human.

Do you really think the girls suddenly actually wanted to see Ioan - of course not. They made the suggestion they did for a reason and Alice was behind it.

Yeah, why on earth would his daughters want to see their father after not seeing him for a such a long period of time, when their home life must be traumatic AF? Alice must have been behind that one, as she is everything else

I am disengaging as contributing to hate against victims of violence helps no one and this thread is just a cesspool.

👋 Off back to Tattle where you can big up Ioan, Patron Saint of Fathers, to your hearts content with no opposition.

Do you also work this hard to attack mothers who have had to take out restraining orders against the fathers or fathers who have taken the children away from mothers

Most mothers wouldn't leave their children behind in such an environment. And if the father has full custody, then there's usually a good reason as to why. Let's not forget that Ioan is still only going for joint and not full custody btw. I'm sure he has enough evidence to go for full custody and yet...he isn't?

I know Alice appreciates all your support in vilifying Ioan

As I'm sure Ioan appreciates yours. Although the more you try to defend him, the bigger the hole you're digging.

Anyone who doesn't buy the Saint Ioan rhetoric must be a supporter of Alice? Victim blaming children is wrong yet you think it's perfectly acceptable to heap blame on a traumatised child.
I would judge a woman who left her children with an abuser , moved in quickly then went round the world with a new partner, then refused to take the child to a theme park (who she had not seen for months). I certainly wouldn't blame a 12/13 year old for their parents poor choices.

Ioan has had an impossible task in establishing and maintaining contact with his daughters due to the psychological abuse and parental alienation and refusal of contact and false allegations.

What false allegations? When did his daughters make false allegations?

In Ioan’s position you’ve got to take contact when you can get it, and he was the one who refused contact, correct?