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OMFG Children being kidnapped from Home Office Hotel

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MorelloKisses · 21/01/2023 21:57

Children kidnapped from Home Office hotel

"A whistleblower, who works for Home Office, describes children being abducted off the street outside the hotel and bundled into cars".

How is this not top news story?? Those poor children.

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BewareTheLibrarians · 22/01/2023 19:22

@MintyFreshOne That sounds like the safe routes I mentioned before 😉

jgw1 · 22/01/2023 19:25

ShelaghsCottage · 22/01/2023 15:39

@BewareTheLibrarians There’s no obligation for asylum seekers to stop in the first safe country, and countries that we consider safe aren’t actually safe for asylum seekers

This may well be true but with the best will in the world we cannot seriously assimilate people at the rate they are arriving.

www.migrationwatchuk.org/news/2020/05/11/arrivals-via-deadly-and-illegal-channel-crossing-from-safe-countries

Please tell me your solution?

@ShelaghsCottage does the UK take more refugees than other countries?
If not, why do you think the UK would have problems taking more refugees when other countries seem to manage?

jgw1 · 22/01/2023 19:28

BewareTheLibrarians · 22/01/2023 15:53

Why are you asking me? (I mean despite the fact I’ve already proposed a solution on this thread.)

Ask the government why they ignore the suggestions of safe routes which would cut the need for people to use traffickers in the first place.

Ask the govt why they let the backlog build up to unmanageable levels.

Ask the govt why they are unlawfully housing children in adult hotels despite knowing this is unlawful.

Write to your mp. But please don’t keep demanding answers from me (especially for questions I’ve already answered) because I’m not responsible for immigration policy.

Because the goverment have worked out that by leaving the EU it needs someone else to use to direct people's anger at their poor and falling standard of living. Refugees are one of the targets of choice to distract from the obvious fact that it is the government's fault.

jgw1 · 22/01/2023 19:30

MarshaBradyo · 22/01/2023 17:02

We have a trafficking problem which appears to be resulting in a high acceptance rate for a safe country making us an outlier.

That article is very poor wrt facts, it doesn’t specify age or origin but has unspecified sources as quotes. Typical of that paper but it’s not that useful.

I don’t know the origin but I do think we have an issue re Albanian trafficking which other countries seem to have zero tolerance on - in terms of acceptance rates anyway.

My preference is to look at what they are doing differently

@MarshaBradyo we know that you are happy to support a Prime Minister who has broken traffic law and covid regulations. If the Prime Minister turned out to be traffiking people, would you overlook that as well?

MarshaBradyo · 22/01/2023 19:35

Jgw no you don’t know much at all even if you think you do.

So I can’t engage with you. Despite the endless quotes you’ll have to post to someone else.

Enjoy mn without the usual hounding 😀

jgw1 · 22/01/2023 19:40

MarshaBradyo · 22/01/2023 19:35

Jgw no you don’t know much at all even if you think you do.

So I can’t engage with you. Despite the endless quotes you’ll have to post to someone else.

Enjoy mn without the usual hounding 😀

Got no arguments left @MarshaBradyo oh well.

MarshaBradyo · 22/01/2023 19:42

jgw1 · 22/01/2023 19:40

Got no arguments left @MarshaBradyo oh well.

Just hoping you’ll give up engaging with me.

One day soon I hope 😀

But since you are quite needy I’ll be blunter. Engage with other posters I’m not interested.

jgw1 · 22/01/2023 19:44

MarshaBradyo · 22/01/2023 19:42

Just hoping you’ll give up engaging with me.

One day soon I hope 😀

But since you are quite needy I’ll be blunter. Engage with other posters I’m not interested.

You are not interested in having a discussion about what you have posted on this thread?

Can't have much confidence in your argument then.

MarshaBradyo · 22/01/2023 19:46

jgw1 · 22/01/2023 19:44

You are not interested in having a discussion about what you have posted on this thread?

Can't have much confidence in your argument then.

Again. I have been fine with other posters it’s just you I am asking to engage with others instead.

Hopefully clear enough.

jgw1 · 22/01/2023 19:47

MarshaBradyo · 22/01/2023 19:46

Again. I have been fine with other posters it’s just you I am asking to engage with others instead.

Hopefully clear enough.

Aww @MarshaBradyo you make me feel special.

MarshaBradyo · 22/01/2023 19:51

Great 😀

And that’s it, the rest of mn for you to enjoy on any thread

jgw1 · 22/01/2023 19:55

MarshaBradyo · 22/01/2023 19:51

Great 😀

And that’s it, the rest of mn for you to enjoy on any thread

I must say I enjoy your posts more than most.

MarshaBradyo · 22/01/2023 19:56

Haha flattery will get you no where 😬

Other people will love your wit don’t worry

jgw1 · 22/01/2023 20:00

MarshaBradyo · 22/01/2023 19:56

Haha flattery will get you no where 😬

Other people will love your wit don’t worry

Not flattery. Merely a statement of fact.
Much like it is a fact that the UK takes far fewer refugees than many other countries.

MarshaBradyo · 22/01/2023 20:04

Moving on now.

The figures I referenced below show we have difficulty with trafficking from Albania whereas other countries have zero acceptance rate.

Imo it would be useful to look at what the differences are in law and other elements.

It is tough to break but there could be learnings.

jgw1 · 22/01/2023 20:12

MarshaBradyo · 22/01/2023 20:04

Moving on now.

The figures I referenced below show we have difficulty with trafficking from Albania whereas other countries have zero acceptance rate.

Imo it would be useful to look at what the differences are in law and other elements.

It is tough to break but there could be learnings.

Why the obsession with Albania @MarshaBradyo?
Why not at the same time also look at why other countries are more compassionate in taking many more people than the UK from a wide range of countries?

MarshaBradyo · 22/01/2023 20:17

How are you still @ me, be free mn awaits…

MintyFreshOne · 22/01/2023 20:19

Nimbostratus100 · 22/01/2023 15:45

yes, of course we can, you know that our population of working age adults is falling and will continue to fall, dont you?

They are supposed to be refugees not workers or labourers. You know that

jgw1 · 22/01/2023 20:19

MarshaBradyo · 22/01/2023 20:17

How are you still @ me, be free mn awaits…

Because we were having an interesting discussion, and it helps to use @ to attract attention from the other person in the discussion @MarshaBradyo
Why are you so interested in Albanian refugees and not those from other countries?

MintyFreshOne · 22/01/2023 20:21

BewareTheLibrarians · 22/01/2023 19:22

@MintyFreshOne That sounds like the safe routes I mentioned before 😉

Except you don’t seem to want to use the stick to deter irregular arrivals? You just seem to think that if there are official
routes that the unofficial ones will dry up?

You should know better

MarshaBradyo · 22/01/2023 20:23

jgw1 · 22/01/2023 20:19

Because we were having an interesting discussion, and it helps to use @ to attract attention from the other person in the discussion @MarshaBradyo
Why are you so interested in Albanian refugees and not those from other countries?

No it’s not interesting to me that’s the point.

It could be but I don’t appreciate hounding on threads. So I’m declining and now asking you to direct your posts to someone else.

It has been similar on too many threads and I prefer not to continue.

jgw1 · 22/01/2023 20:24

MintyFreshOne · 22/01/2023 20:21

Except you don’t seem to want to use the stick to deter irregular arrivals? You just seem to think that if there are official
routes that the unofficial ones will dry up?

You should know better

Well it certainly seems to be the case that not having safe routes has driven people to unsafe routes, so perhaps the reverse would be true. What would the harm be in trying?

BewareTheLibrarians · 22/01/2023 20:25

@MarshaBradyo Re learnings and progress, I agree the UK does need a better solution when it comes to situations like Albania. Possibly not in exactly the same way as you, but such is the rich tapestry of life, etc. Some thoughts:

Do you think a zero acceptance rate would be useful or doable considering there are clear cases where there is evidence the child/teenager* in question has been trafficked?

Rather than punishing the trafficking victims (asylum seekers), would you agree it’s more efficient to crack down on the trafficking gangs (criminals already embedded in the UK who may well be here legally)? If so, should the government reinstate their independent modern slavery advisor, given the GLAA are struggling to work through trafficking cases without more government support?

Do you think it would be useful for the British government to work more closely with the Albanian government, and how do they restore trust after Jenrick’s anti-Albanian rhetoric angered the Albanian minister for foreign affairs? Link here:
mobile.twitter.com/xhacka_olta/status/1614350508969410560

*referring to children and teenagers here as this thread is about children being kidnapped and trafficked and it would be helpful if that remained the focus, rather than this being an “anything and everything about asylum” thread.

TooBigForMyBoots · 22/01/2023 20:30

Bluepeterbadgeisonme · 22/01/2023 08:35

Why does everything need overhauling ? Be it NHS or this, nothing is fit for purpose. What’s happened to this country that nothing really works…

13 years of Tory incompetence, corruption and costly "bright" ideas: Austerity, Brexit, Trusterfuck economics.

BewareTheLibrarians · 22/01/2023 20:31

MintyFreshOne · 22/01/2023 20:21

Except you don’t seem to want to use the stick to deter irregular arrivals? You just seem to think that if there are official
routes that the unofficial ones will dry up?

You should know better

Can you explain your problem with me? This is getting really tiresome. You seem to be making a lot of assumptions about what I want and what I think without actually asking.

”You should know better” Really? Cut out the patronising bullshit and actually have a conversation like an adult. Like for eg - “I noticed you support safe routes. How does this stop irregular arrivals?”