OMFG Children being kidnapped from Home Office Hotel

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Children kidnapped from Home Office hotel

"A whistleblower, who works for Home Office, describes children being abducted off the street outside the hotel and bundled into cars".

How is this not top news story?? Those poor children.

I think it is simpler - you get a lot more free in the UK than say France. You get free housing rather than live in a forest in a tent near calais. We effecitvely pay them to come here and live in warmth through the highest taxes the UK has had in 70 years despite the fact tax payers cannot afford to heat their own homes. We believe most lies they tell and just about no one is removed so we roll out the red carpet and they therefore choose to come.

@Xenia could you perhaps make a list of what asylum seekers get free in the UK, so that we can go round the circle of pointing out that France is more generous.

For instance the UK gives asylum seekers a whooping £36 a month, whereas France gives a miserly 11 Euros a day.

This little infographic may help you.

Gosh this has been going on for ages.

Still, on my quick glance through the thread, FRANCE’s responsibility has not been addressed (unless I missed it).

Human trafficking is taking place in their country, unaccompanied ‘children’ are left to be preyed on by criminals in camps in their country and leave in dangerous dinghies from their shores.

So why is this all not their responsibility?

Sorry I forgot the link

www.euronews.com/2015/09/16/which-european-countries-offer-the-most-social-benefits-to-migrants

Luckily the UK is a keen participant in cross boarder multinational European organisations such as Europol.

I see that has been really effective in this case (sarcasm).

Abdulrahimzai, who recently murdered an aspiring Royal Marine, made his way to the UK,after his asylum application was rejected in Norway. He had fled there from Serbia where he had gunned down two men, having already been convicted for drug dealing in Italy.
On arrival at Poole from Cherbourg he sought asylum as a minor, claiming to be 14 years of age. Despite looking a lot older and Border Force questioning his claimed youth, it was two years before something closer to his true age was established.

To be fair to the Border Force, the instructions in the official guidance at the time were that anyone who didn’t appear to be over 25 had to be given the benefit of the doubt (yes, really !) It turned out that Abdulrahimzai was 19, not 14, when he arrived. Up to this point, he had been placed with a foster carer and been accepted at a local school, to be among young boys and girls.
This of course was neither the first nor an isolated case. Abdulrahimzai is not the only one to have lied their way into the country, having destroyed papers and/or claimed to be someone they were not. Having done so, aided by immigration lawyers and charities, many game the system to stay here and go on to commit heinous crimes.
Sadly, it won’t be the last time it happens.

The only way to stem the tide of those making their way here illegally, often after getting rid of their passport and other documents, is to detain them on arrival, deny them entry and either return or remove them quickly. In answer to the question “What about international law or countries refusing to take back those who embarked from their shores?” Frankly, if our government and politicians in parliament had the courage and determination, they could do it. And if it means resigning from the ECHR to do it, then we should do so without hesitation.

As for the argument that more safe routes are the answer, that's nonsense. Application centres in Continental countries simply wouldn’t work and would lead to even more making their way here illegally.
Secondly, as we heard from a government minister this week, the UK has already given generously, with more than 450,000 people arriving via safe and legal routes since 2015 (about equal to the population of the city of Bristol).

In any case if Europol were so effective the Albanian mafia wouldn’t have spread across Europe to be one of the strongest networks of crime.

Dizzydebbie88, I agree. Even for people who are genuinely at risk of death in Albania or Somalia etc we just cannot cope with the numbers. We are in a new stage of the world now with global warming and huge numbers wanting to move here. We have 18m more people in the UK than when I was born and not enough housing etc for those here really. The time has come to change the law to allow people to be returned to France the same day. if that breaks the law change the law.

Andyes I did read the link above comparing the UK's 50 eurs a week payment against France's which is a bit higher. It says France has 300 centres where they can live but in practice people are camping near Calais etc and still wanting to get to the UK and the benefits system in the UK is more generous overall so people are still keen to come here. Also we are less racist here which is another reason people like to come. We should pat ourselves on the back for that but that does not mean we need to continue to take in so many people. we have about 1m illegal immigrants mostly visa over stayers, 120,000 asylum seekers many in hotels and 1m lawful immigration a year (500,000 net immigration). That is huge.

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I agree.

It's not just the numbers but the background of people we are admitting into our country.

We have a right to be concerned. Violent crimes are an outcrop of the failing asylum system. They happen time and again and nothing is done to stop them:

There was the horrific murder of seven-year-old Emily Jones in Bolton by a failed asylum seeker in March 2020.
In June 2022, there was a brutal triple stabbing in a Reading park by a failed Libyan asylum seeker who the government had granted temporary leave to remain despite having criminal convictions and being in a terrorist group.
There was the murder of 32-year-old Lorraine Cox in Exeter in September 2020 by a failed asylum claimant.
And an asylum fraudster injured a man when he blew himself up outside a Liverpool hospital in 2021.

As long as nothing appears to be done, and no solution seems to be on the horizon. I can see the rise of Nationalist Parties.

How many homes does the Prime Minister own? Could they be better used?

I believe in capitalism and have no problems with people owning multiple homes and that is almost de minimis anyway com,pared to the numbers coming into the UK - 1m lawfully a year for a start whilst 500k leave. Like many people I would rather we were losing people each year not gaining more and more. It is a new world of climate change, people moving continents more easily, smart phones in poorer areas so people see a promised land over here, traffickers and the like more so than in the past and even if we have to make harsh decisions we should simply try to stem the flow. The most important duty of any state is to protect our borders and Labour and the Tories have both failed on that score in a massive way and the people have no voice as neither party is willing to make any effective changes. (Tories might be slightly better than Labour so they will keep my vote but there is no much in it on this topic)

If you believe in capitalism then presumbaly you are comfortable with the idea that if there is a shortage of labour in one area, then people with relevant skills or motivation should be allowed to move there from another area?

@jgw1 'How many homes does the Prime Minister own? Could they be better used?'

What has that got to do with the price of fish ??

@Xenia "The most important duty of any state is to protect our borders"

I don't agree with that totally.

The most important duty of a government is to protect it's citizens - and controlling the borders is just one aspect of that.

@jgw1
"If you believe in capitalism then presumbaly you are comfortable with the idea that if there is a shortage of labour in one area, then people with relevant skills or motivation should be allowed to move there from another area?"

In principle I agree with this.
However, I don't agree with unvetted people being allowed to do this.

Apparently there is a shortage of homes in the UK, and yet the Prime Minister has many.

I couldn't help but wonder if the shrotage was actually related to some people having more than one.

Probably. Our nearest neighbour has a property portfolio of 42 properties. He has friends with even more. I know many parents at my DCs school have at least 1 rental property.

I don't see how this is even a credible argument.

No-one with 42 properties is collecting them like stamps. They will be renting them out and therefore providing housing.
propertyindustryeye.com/uk-faces-chronic-shortage-of-rental-homes-alarming-new-data-shows/

Please note this paragraph ; Buy-to-let landlords are rapidly withdrawing from the market as tax, regulatory and cost environments have become less favourable.

Landlords have an array of costs to consider, including everything from buildings insurance to tax, not to mention stamp duty. It’s impossible to escape all costs associated with running a buy-to-let property. However, landlords who have failed to plan financially, including the potential for mortgage rates to increase due to rising interest rates are most likely to run into financial difficulty. If so, the landlord may need to sell the property, which could affect whether it is kept on as a rental property or not.

So renting out properties isn't a cash-cow by any means. That's why fewer people are doing it.