OMFG Children being kidnapped from Home Office Hotel

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Children kidnapped from Home Office hotel

"A whistleblower, who works for Home Office, describes children being abducted off the street outside the hotel and bundled into cars".

How is this not top news story?? Those poor children.

Beware just to say I appreciate your response but am a bit posted out on this thread so will return to read later on

No worries @MarshaBradyo that was an extreme amount of questions (and as usual I’m not expecting solutions, it’s a big and complex topic with a lot to think about.)

Right, now I’ve got that out of my system 😁

As you are (presumably?) a fan of the “stick”, have you noticed the current government’s very stick-y solutions (Rwanda, detention centres, no right to work, lack of access to medical and legal support, UK funded destruction of property in migrant camps in France) haven’t reduced boat crossings, therefore can’t be said to be effective at all?

It’s (apparently) easy to criticise me randomly for advocating for safe routes - plan that would hugely reduce reliance on traffickers - yet the stick that you’re advocating increases the use of traffickers. What do you suggest as a more effective stick?

This.

what has that got to do with it? we are talking about capacity. we have capacity - but anyway, most refugees work, and many are highly qualified professionals, educated at someone elses expense.

Taking in refugees benefits us as a country.

”They’re supposed to be refugees not workers”

Just to clarify the terms here, asylum seekers do not have the right to work. Refugees do have the right to work. This means that when asylum seekers’ claims are granted, they are able to leave hotels/accommodation, work and of course pay taxes which go into the UK economy.

Relevant to current shortages, the NHS runs a refugee healthcare professionals programme to help refugees become NHS workers, and Wales has a programme to support refugees into working in social care positions.

@BewareTheLibrarians Refugees do have the right to work. This means that when asylum seekers’ claims are granted, they are able to leave hotels/accommodation, work and of course pay taxes which go into the UK economy.

You talk as if they can just walk out of a hotel into a job which is nonsense.

How can they get jobs when they don't speak English and have no skills?

Ridiculous.

@Nimbostratus100 Taking in refugees benefits us as a country.

Only if they have appropriate skills and can speak good English.

Otherwise they are just another drain on the economy.

As you are (presumably?) a fan of the “stick”, have you noticed the current government’s very stick-y solutions (Rwanda, detention centres, no right to work, lack of access to medical and legal support, UK funded destruction of property in migrant camps in France) haven’t reduced boat crossings, therefore can’t be said to be effective at all

Tories do not have or use ‘sticks’ so whatever ineffective plan they try to sell the public do not leave the paper it’s typed on.

They have to know that irregular arrival will not work and deportations due to this will be strictly enforced.

@MintyFreshOne They have to know that irregular arrival will not work and deportations due to this will be strictly enforced.

I agree. I'm not bothered if that makes me 'sticky'.

Everyone bashes the Tories for failing to control immigration yet Labour doesn't have a coherent plan on this. Labour don't talk about immigration much as they know that when they do it invariably upsets someone.

Kier Starmer's vow to wean businesses off their “immigration dependency” left Nigel Farage proclaiming that “Labour are now to the right of the Tories on immigration” !!

Starmer seemed in April 2022 to lean towards supporting legal and safe routes for asylum when he called for asylum seekers trapped in French camps to be allowed to apply to the UK. However, we haven’t heard anything on this idea since. If 'safe routes' were an answer he's have used that as a vote-catcher. However, he knows that having 'safe routes' is no guarantee that boat crossings will stop.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/dec/29/labours-shameful-record-on-immigration

Kier Starmer's vow to wean businesses off their “immigration dependency” left Nigel Farage proclaiming that “Labour are now to the right of the Tories on immigration

Old school labour parties were very anti-immigration because of their deleterious effects on the working class.

No reason why they can’t pivot on this issue in defence of the working class, but we all know that modern-day labour parties care nothing for these people.

@MintyFreshOne but we all know that modern-day labour parties care nothing for these people.

So if neither of the major parties have a political solution we have a conundrum it seems?

Maybe a massive drugs crackdown would address the problem at source?

Of course anyone who uses (illegal) drugs is part of the problem.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63488070

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-61564660

overall, it is a benefit.

and English can be learnt! (And so can other skills, if there are gaps, although many of the refugees we take in are already very highly skilled)

@Nimbostratus100 many of the refugees we take in are already very highly skilled)

I would say some not many. And those are usually placed in special programmes to help fill areas of shortage. That is nothing new. Some of these schemes have been operational since 2005.

I don't have a problem with genuine refugees.

I do have a problem with what's landing on our shores at the moment.

@Nimbostratus100 English can be learnt! (And so can other skills, if there are gaps

If there is money "down the back of the sofa" to train those that arrive illegally, why isn't it being used to train our own people?

We have kids desperate for apprenticeships, and that should be addressed first.

"Whats landing on our shores at the moment"??? ( I think you mean "who" by the way)

includes experienced medics, craftsmen and women, it specialists, builders ( of which we currently have a massive shortage) heating engineers, farmers

These are just a few I have met recently

And actually, the biggest single group I have met are medics, very experienced very young, in some cases

The issue is maybe without formal qualifications, as many have learnt through "apprenticeships" which we dont recognise here, but certainly with the ability and knowledge to easily pass exams in many areas in medicine, and take up work in shortage areas in the NHS

www.thenationalnews.com/world/uk-news/2022/11/15/albanian-crime-gangs-smuggle-millions-of-pounds-a-year-from-uk/

irpimedia.irpi.eu/en-albanian-mafia-uk-cocaine-supply/

The children in the title of this thread may well have ended up working in the drugs industry.

I don't know where people think their cannabis is coming from.

I know exactly where mine comes from, since I grow every leaf myself.

😆

as they say on Reddit, username checks out

@Nimbostratus100 "Whats landing on our shores at the moment"??? ( I think you mean "who" by the way)

I said "what" and I meant "what".

I refuse to dignify criminals who come here with the express purpose of working in the Drugs Industry with the word "who".

www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-the-albanian-mafia-corrupted-europe/

How did we reach a point in this country where people were happy to be so publically hateful and depersonalise people so desparate that they would get in a small boat to cross the sea?

I refuse to dignify young people who are forced or coerced to come here with the express purpose of being used as modern slaves in the Drugs Industry with the word "who".

No, you’re right, it is a good look.

Once again, a reminder that this thread is about children who have been kidnapped and trafficked.

It’s not a “safe space” for you to show your ignorance of the asylum system or trafficking, or denigrate all asylum seekers (including the ones from Iran, Eritrea, Sudan) as “Albanian criminals”, it’s a thread about an issue that affects a certain group of children, and seeing it highjacked to push your own personal views is pretty gross.

Reply what you like btw, I won’t be reading any more of your posts.

In my previous job the home office spent lots of physical fivers to clothe these people...why cash? And why fivers??