OMFG Children being kidnapped from Home Office Hotel

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Children kidnapped from Home Office hotel

"A whistleblower, who works for Home Office, describes children being abducted off the street outside the hotel and bundled into cars".

How is this not top news story?? Those poor children.

how would you suggest getting the numbers of boat crossings to zero? That’s a genuine question not a snarky one as it’s always healthy to hear the other side of the argument

I’m afraid you wouldn’t like my solution, which would be zero tolerance. Boats are pushed back to French territory. They have to understand that this particular route is closed and asylum applications will not be accepted within Britain.

Once these are shut down, the Home Office can announce a set number of asylum seekers that would be agreeable to the electorate (an easier sell once the irregular routes are closed for business, can emphasize women/families prioritised and proper background checks done).

I would imagine the UK embassies and consulates in Turkey in particular would be one of the key ones for this work, they can identify other likely cities near areas of conflict.

I agree re Cameron but the party was split and he got it wrong going there to appease them. He didn’t think it’d go through but others were pushing for it

You may be right re credentials but they can’t work whilst waiting anyway so missing out on cheap labour.

How much of immigration is from asylum seekers? I can’t imagine it’s that much and labour is easily obtained through work visas

Most of all the boats are a fair proportion in organised crime related activity and that’s really not good labour

I just don’t think it’s an easy fix unless you go full Aus on it

I agree with this. Zero tolerance is the only way to go to stop the criminals. We do then need to allow safe havens abroad from which to claim asylum but the boat crossings need to stop.

@XanaduKira when you say “the criminals” who are you referring to? Again, that’s a genuine non-aggressive question. Is it a certain group of asylum seekers or a certain nationality?

@MintyFreshOne I would also love to see zero arrivals by boat. Possibly not for the same reasons as you, but I think it’s fine to agree to differ there. 😉

After all, the end result is increased safety for asylum seekers and increased confidence amongst the general public that asylum seekers aren’t “criminals”. However, the Navy have flat out refused to do pushbacks, France won’t allow an English border in France…

But I do agree that certain countries would snap the UK’s hand off for a resettlement deal of asylum seekers that end up in their countries - like Turkey with Syrian refugees, Pakistan with Afghan refugees, Greece and Italy with absolutely anyone…

@BewareTheLibrarians I mean the trafficking gangs who are bringing people across either for direct payment or people smuggling for slave labour. It's abhorrent and should be stamped out with as much force as possible.

Setting up humane ways that people can legitimately claim asylum without having to do the dangerous crossing and which doesn't line the pockets of criminal gangs has to be what we're aiming for.

Once that's set up, I'd then take a very hard line and refuse entry to all who cross illegally. There'd be no reason for anyone with a legitimate asylum claim to enter and it would stop criminal gangs profiteering from our inept system.

However, the Navy have flat out refused to do pushbacks

I was interested in this as I had thought the Navy and the Army are under government instruction. I recall with the strikes the commentary was the army can’t say no really.

I then googled to see what it might be, saw a tweet but can’t see it on the official Twitter feed

Am I missing it? I don’t use Twitter so could be just looking at it incorrectly

The push back tweet was 2nd Feb but latest seems to be Jan twitter.com/intent/follow?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1488915057840996362%7Ctwgr%5Ebb6f2a7d7329fd7e514a12caf13e2aea5be8512e%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fmaritime-executive.com%2Farticle%2Froyal-navy-turns-down-migrant-push-back-mission-in-english-channel&screen_name=DefenceHQPress

Mention of tweet maritime-executive.com/article/royal-navy-turns-down-migrant-push-back-mission-in-english-channel

What is meant by pushbacks?

How would they be carried out?

What do you do when those in the small boat get tipped into the sea?

This. Unaccompanied minors should not just be abandoned in hotels with no protection or supervision. It’s a disgrace.

@MarshaBradyo The tweet quoted in the article is the right one - this should be the link to the post on the MOD press official Twitter feed in February 2022:

mobile.twitter.com/defencehqpress/status/1488915057840996362?lang=ar-x-fm

It’s been very quiet since then, and I would assume if it was a plausible or legal strategy it would have happened by now. I have seen claims that the Navy doing pushbacks would contravene certain international/refugee laws but I’m not 100% which ones off the top of my head. I assume that would override the government’s instructions if that were the case.

The Home Office did then try to authorize border force boats to do the pushbacks, but withdrew the plan before a legal review was carried out.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61224309.amp

the Navy and the Army are under government instruction military have legal obligations - the government can ask them to commit crimes but they are required to say no. International law does not allow the military to do whatever the demonic home secretary says in peacetime. Endangering lives of vulnerable people is not what the military is for.

I think it is a little unfair on demons to compare them to the Home Secretary.

@XanaduKira thanks, and sorry for the question! The government has done such a good job of demonising asylum seekers that lots of people seem to think all Albanians are criminals (despite the ones on the boats being likely to be trafficked/coerced while the criminal gang bosses stay warm and dry counting their piles of money), whereas you’re quite right - the criminals that need stopping are the ones running the trafficking gangs.

Even Gullis today in parliament said about the kidnapped children and teenagers that “they shouldn’t have come here illegally then.” (Does he know it’s not illegal? Why is no one correcting them, ever?)

That’s not to say that boats are never used by people with criminal intentions, but the government and media has really warped people’s perceptions of who is in the boats and why. Like never mentioning women and young children in the boats, despite there being enough women and children to set up multiple women-and-children-only hotels in England.

Can you see it on the official feed? Someone else has commented it’s not there in the article I linked

Your link strangely has Arabic language too

Australia patrols borders that’s the full on option if there is public desire for zero boats

Love a bit of hyperbole to get going on mn. Better let Australia Labor government know.

Who are you envisaging minors to be - age, nationality and where they are going and why

@MarshaBradyo What would the policy be if you were to decide it if during a pushback some people were to end up in the sea?

You don't know what age a minor is?
Ok.

Yes, it’s there in their feed, I’m not a magician! 😁 Can’t see what you mean about Arabic, that must be on your end. I’ve attached a screenshot of what it looks like for me.

If that’s still not enough proof, google “ministry of defence pushback channel twitter” and it should come up, depending on your algorithm.

Why does the nationality matter?

Looking into it further

‘The Australian military began escorting small boats to the edge of its territorial waters (turnbacks), and the authorities started working with other nations to return people who’d reached Australian shores (takebacks).’

‘In July 2013, newly re-elected prime minister Kevin Rudd expanded the scheme to everyone reaching the country by unofficial boat and declared that no-one who arrived by this route would ever be allowed to resettle in Australia.’

It’s more hardcore than I thought. I don’t actually think the U.K. is in the same place atm which means we have difficulty in stopping it - going back to why they don’t want to stop it

Also ignoring the repeat questions as per - weird to continue so obsessively but there you go

I thought we’d covered this already?

No I really can’t see it on the full feed it’s not just me others commenting the same on article

Ps charge your battery

Where’s the hyperbole? Libyan coastguards do pushbacks/pullbacks pretty frequently and it results in loss of life.

At least 20 migrants died when a dinghy carrying 130 people sank on 6 November 2017. […] the migrants died after the Libyan coast guard interfered in rescue efforts by humanitarian ship Sea-Watch 3.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/italy-libya-migrant-refugee-push-back-deal-mediterranean-a8342056.html?amp

Turkey and Greece also:

Five children and a woman have reportedly drowned in the Aegean Sea, while five people remain missing. Turkish authorities have accused Greek officials of pushing the migrants back towards Turkey.

www.infomigrants.net/en/post/43363/aegean-several-children-reported-to-have-drowned-in-alleged-pushback-event

Italy are known for this too (see the Libya article) and physical
pushbacks and assaults also happen at the EU’s borders.

Thousands of migrants and asylum seekers have been beaten, humiliated and arbitrarily detained at the EU’s external borders before being illegally pushed back, a new report by a group of human rights organisations revealed.

The Border Violence Monitoring Network published a report on Thursday that documents hundreds of cases, in which European border guards used "gruesome tactics" to push back refugees, including women and children.

www.trtworld.com/europe/migrants-asylum-seekers-face-gruesome-rights-violations-at-eu-borders-63375/amp

The reasons for asylum will differ between nationalities, but it doesn’t matter in terms of child protection, surely? Unless you think an Albanian 17 yr old (for example) is less in need of support than an Iranian 17 yr old?

@MarshaBradyo show me a screenshot of what you see when you click on my link to the MOD tweet - maybe if you’re not signed in to twitter it shows you something different. Mysterious! I can’t imagine I’d be able to see it if it had been taken down, but who knows with twitter.