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Why on earth did Lisa Marie Presley marry MJ?

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EightMonthsScared · 13/01/2023 19:48

I know this is fully none of my business but I cannot understand why she married Michael Jackson.

Most press coverage alludes to it being a marriage of convenience to distract from the child abuse allegations against Jackson. That makes sense but if that's true, what was in it for her?

I could fully understand it if she was just some nobody trying to break into modelling/acting, or a C lister trying to climb up.

It's baffling.

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LadyKenya · 14/01/2023 18:46

EightMonthsScared · 14/01/2023 18:31

"Perhaps you do not have a clue what you are talking about."

What she said made sense to me @LadyKenya People like talking about psychological oddities or fascinating, unusual human dynamics. It's been that way since the dawn of time.

You're clearly on the wrong sort of thread for your interests. No need to be offensive to people.

You, or that other poster do not get to decide what threads I should be on. Hth.

Rawroink · 14/01/2023 18:52

Think the original post is valid and up for a discussion in the chat section

people have a hair trigger snark reaction on here, it’s annoying, but just scroll past them

Celia24 · 14/01/2023 18:58

LizzieSiddal · 14/01/2023 11:51

@Celia24 Her dad was one of the biggest superstars of all time (who died young and she never really knew) and she happens to marry another biggest superstars of all time

The part about not really knowing her dad just isn’t true. She regularly stayed with him and was there at the house when he died, she actually saw him and asked what was wrong with him, so heartbreaking for a 9 year old to witness.

But she was nine. I didn't really get to know my father and who he really was until I was an adult and could understand/relate to him better. It's totally different imo.

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EightMonthsScared · 14/01/2023 19:07

"people have a hair trigger snark reaction on here, it’s annoying, but just scroll past them"

I should @Rawroink, but the arrogance is so staggering that I can't help but call them out 😬

On that note @LadyKenya! You are very welcome to stay, but don't you think it's just the teensiest bit odd that you are continually posting on a thread that you have no interest in? And also, offending people whilst you are at it? It's just odd behaviour. Hth.

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PenelopeTitsDrop3121 · 14/01/2023 19:14

GoodVibesHere · 14/01/2023 18:36

MJ not interested in women? What about Tatiana Thumbtzen?

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Nothing happened with her. She made a pass at him and he booted her off the tour.

LadyKenya · 14/01/2023 19:15

No more odder than asking the question that you posted in the op. I am not sure how you can know that I have no interest in this thread though. And as for offending posters, let them tell me that themselves. If they are so easily offended.

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EightMonthsScared · 14/01/2023 19:23

"I am not sure how you can know that I have no interest in this thread though."

Because you said, "This is a nonsense thread" In any case, I'll be taking @Rawroink 's advice now and scrolling past you. You are too tedious to deal with.

@PenelopeTitsDrop3121 @GoodVibesHere id not heard of her <opens Google search>

Imagine making a pass at Michael Jackson.

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DownNative · 14/01/2023 19:28

Intrepidescape · 14/01/2023 16:34

At the time she married him he was accused of CSA. The marriage was never consummated and there were rumours he paid her. The rumours did not go away after she married him. I think it’s very very concerning she exposed her young son to him as he took his own life last year.

Even if you don’t believe MJ did what he was accused of - you surely have to second guess your opinion after you hear what his housekeeper had to say about it.

Ridiculous, hysterical post.

Lisa herself has said they had sex. Of her life with Michael Jackson, Lisa said:

"I loved taking care of him," she says. "It was one of the highest points in my life when things were going really well, and he and I were united. It was a very profound time of my life."

www.oprah.com/oprahshow/lisa-marie-presley-opens-up-about-michael-jackson/all

After they divorced, Michael and Lisa continued to see each other. At one point, they went out for dinner while he was married to Debbie Rowe.

Most people aren't aware how long they remained in each other's lives. Or that Lisa helped Michael during the massive earthquake in LA.

Lisa's son, Benjamin's suicide had nothing to do with Michael Jackson at all. For a start, he'd died 11 years previously. For another, they hadn't been together since the late 1990s or so. Benjamin had his own issues.

As for the housekeeper, she was herself hugely unreliable and that was well exposed in court too. IIRC, the jury couldn't take them seriously for good reason. No reason for anyone second guess their opinion, really. 🤷‍♂️

SequinsandStilettos · 14/01/2023 19:37

And yet her 2003 interview with Letterman where MJ was mentioned (clip of which came up in Guardian's review of her life) she was anything but supportive.

DownNative · 14/01/2023 19:40

PenelopeTitsDrop3121 · 14/01/2023 13:00

It was so obviously an arrangement to show MJ in a more wholesome light after the allegations.🙄

On the contrary, they had been dating well before any allegations were made. Lisa herself had fond memories of her time with Michael Jackson.

"I loved taking care of him," she says. "It was one of the highest points in my life when things were going really well, and he and I were united. It was a very profound time of my life."

www.oprah.com/oprahshow/lisa-marie-presley-opens-up-about-michael-jackson/all

Like with a lot of couples, they divorced because Lisa wasn't ready to have more children and Michael was. This information came out after Michael died. Lisa continued to be in Michael's life after that and also spent time with his mother, Katherine. Lisa was there when Michael was performing in London and South Africa on the HIStory Tour, for example. His then wife, Debbie Rowe was not and it was Debbie who was an arrangement for Michael Jackson. Not Lisa.

BabyFour2023 · 14/01/2023 19:41

Do you need to get it?

SequinsandStilettos · 14/01/2023 19:43

3.29 on MJ's strangeness
"Lately, you know, I have the same opinion I think everyone else has"
on whether MJ has wrecked his career
"Something's gone awry, I don't know what"
any signs of it when you and he were married
"I left!!"

DownNative · 14/01/2023 19:43

SequinsandStilettos · 14/01/2023 19:37

And yet her 2003 interview with Letterman where MJ was mentioned (clip of which came up in Guardian's review of her life) she was anything but supportive.

Yes, because Lisa and Michael had fallen out a few years before. IIRC, they were friends again before he died.

Explains how in 2010 to Oprah Lisa was saying different things. It's not uncommon.

Andypandy799 · 14/01/2023 19:45

@EightMonthsScared just ignore the trolls I agree with you it was very odd for her to marry him and I remember wondering at the wtf it was all about

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EightMonthsScared · 14/01/2023 19:51

Re: interviews, there's also the aforementioned interview with Rolling Stone where she said she was sucked into helping him.

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DownNative · 14/01/2023 20:02

EightMonthsScared · 14/01/2023 19:51

Re: interviews, there's also the aforementioned interview with Rolling Stone where she said she was sucked into helping him.

That's not the context of what Lisa actually told Rolling Stone in 2003:

"You get sucked into the ‘you poor, misunderstood person, you’. I’m a sucker for that. Then we sat down to talk, and he was so not what I thought he was. He was very real — he was cursing, he was funny, and I was like, ‘Wow.…’ I fell into that ‘You have this whole Howard Hughes thing that goes on in the press, and you’re not anything like that.'”

But why wouldn’t he want people to know that?

“I don’t know. I think it worked for him to manipulate that image for a little while. The hyperbaric chamber thing and all that monkey shit and the elephant shit. It made him mysterious, and I think he thought that was cool. But then it backfired, like it always does.

“I was always saying, ‘People wouldn’t think I was so crazy if they saw who the hell you really are: that you sit around and you drink and you curse and you’re fucking funny, and you have a bad mouth, and you don’t have that high voice all the time. I don’t know why you think that works for you, because it doesn’t anymore.'”

She was talking about his public image and how the public perceived him. This was their first adult meeting about her potentially joining his personal record label. She didn't in the end.

Michael Jackson definitely thought being mysterious worked. It did for a good while until it didn't anymore. By then, too late to do anything about it.

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EightMonthsScared · 14/01/2023 20:06

Fair point @DownNative I wasn't aware of the context.

Still, it's bizarre (but off on a different tangent) that he was putting on that castrato voice.

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Aphrathestorm · 14/01/2023 20:20

I thought it was common knowledge that the marriage was never consummated.

It was a bigger or stunt that H&M.

DownNative · 14/01/2023 20:21

YourVagesty · 14/01/2023 12:47

I just read this:

"In a candid interview with Rolling Stone, Presley revealed what drew her to Jackson. "You get sucked into the, ‘You poor, misunderstood person, you…’ I'm a sucker for that," she explained. When the "Thriller" artist was accused of child abuse for the first time in 1993 — he later settled the case — she stuck by his side. "I got into this whole, ‘I’m going to save you' thing," she admitted."

He asked her in the middle of the first wave of accusations against him. Sounds like manipulation to me.

These quotes come from two different parts of the Rolling Stone interview. I posted the full excerpt of the first part above which shows it was about his public image. They have different contexts.

Michael and Lisa had been dating well before any allegations were made. They continued to date after they divorced in 1996 whilst he was married to someone else.

DownNative · 14/01/2023 20:25

EightMonthsScared · 14/01/2023 20:06

Fair point @DownNative I wasn't aware of the context.

Still, it's bizarre (but off on a different tangent) that he was putting on that castrato voice.

What castrato voice?!

Listen to the Jacksons as a whole....they pretty much speak in soft tones like that. Michael wasn't alone in that.

DownNative · 14/01/2023 20:29

Aphrathestorm · 14/01/2023 20:20

I thought it was common knowledge that the marriage was never consummated.

It was a bigger or stunt that H&M.

You might believe that, but Lisa always confirmed they did. Even years after they'd divorced, so there is no real reason to disbelieve Lisa.

IMO, Lisa was the only person Michael had sex with. He was too distrustful of all adults since his experience was they wanted his money or to piggyback off his fame. Michael could relax with Lisa because he knew she didn't need his money or to piggyback off his fame. He knew Lisa loved him for himself. The timing was unfortunate, but they'd started dating before any allegations were made.

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EightMonthsScared · 14/01/2023 20:44

"What castrato voice?!"

Umm, the one he famously spoke with @Downnative The one Lisa-Marie referenced in the excerpt above that YOU just posted. "you’re fucking funny, and you have a bad mouth, and you don’t have that high voice all the time."

Jesus, MJ fans are exhausting.

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StephanieSuperpowers · 14/01/2023 20:51

I think, regardless of what Lisa Marie may have said, anyone who believes that MJ had sex with either of the women he was married to (or any other woman, for that matter) is a bit delusional. He had zero chemistry with any woman, from his wives to Naomi Campbell.

sunglassesonthetable · 14/01/2023 20:59

Agree with your OP. Just why?

Always thought they were two lost souls and it's hard to imagine, as a civilian, the kind of impact that their childhoods had on them. It seems kind of desperate.

That's a sweet story of the two of them, LMP and MJ, someone posted earlier. The obituary for LMP. But now that MJ reputation is so tarnished it's hard to relate in any way.

sunglassesonthetable · 14/01/2023 21:08

Can't get on board with the holier than thou censorship on this thread.

OF COURSE it can be discussed. God alive.

And as for all the " it's not hard ", yes it is, I think a lot of people would find it baffling. Just as they did at the time.