Thread 4 - TalkExiles: "The Planet Goes On Being Round"

[Kucinghitam]

Continuation of previous lifeboat threads 1 & 2 & 3.

Gather here all ye refugees from the JTT Flat Earth Society, welcome to the reassuringly oblate spheroid of MN! Ye all already know the answers to the questions "How the heck do I format my post?" "Why can't I edit my typos?" "What do those acronyms mean?" and most importantly, "Where is everybody that I used to know?"

So really we're all here just to chat randomly.

Let the children lead the adults is awfully Maoist. It's Lord of the Flies. It's the very last thing any society needs. The kids on that island badly needed grown ups. So do kids today. It isn't the job of adults be they parents or not to let children take over. Children are not capable of adult decisions and they don't have adult rights nor do they want them. They want boundaries. Boundaries show you care.

Such attitudes also absolve adults of the responsibility of thinking about difficult subjects for themselves. They can delegate and defer to the young. Much easier to let children and young people do the figuring out (and take the risk of getting it catastrophically wrong).

Absolutely

Agree

"Let the children lead the adults is awfully Maoist. It's Lord of the Flies. It's the very last thing any society needs."

I was a bit confused which point you were following up lawls, with your recent posts. So I read back the thread. Am still none the wiser who or what you're replying to but no matter. Discussions, like minds, will wander as they want. Cheers

I took Lawls' posts as continuing from the discussion that included my comments at 9.40 and 11 yesterday
(not sure have I linked correctly)
www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/4719286-thread-4-talkexiles-the-planet-goes-on-being-round?reply=123184400&utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share&utm_source=copylink

That Tomorrow Belongs To Me clip remains chilling - brilliant writing, brilliantly filmed. My 'gender' in that is the old bloke in the specs and cap.

Totalitarians, whether gender enthusiasts, or Maoists, or Khmer Rouge, or Nazis, always know how to enveigle the self-absorbed young into becoming their shock troops. Oh for the innocent days when the boring (but comic) teenager of the age was Adrian Mole. Parents congratulating themselves that their children are so kind and so progressive on a subject that they have very publicly declined to find out about are dangerous.

Ah I get it, you're discussing discussions on the old place and I see the flow now.

I guess maybe I was the one making non-secateurs, because I've got nothing to say about what is being said over there and just pinged off on my own tangent about my blue-haired pal at the pub.

The discussion might have been triggered by a comment lsewhere, but it was about this big round world we all live in, and our responsibilities as adults.

Your blue-haired gal 'knew' you, and your intentions were honourable and kind, but - it reminded me of a time years ago when a friend and I had to go to a village for a job, and saw a boy, probably aged about 9, emerge from the primary school in very heavy rain and run up the street soaked to the skin. She had a son slightly younger (and quite scatty enough to go to school without his coat) and I'm not totally heartless and felt sorry for him, but we had to reject any idea of offering him a lift home and out of weather because getting into a car with strangers is just not something a child should be encouraged to do.

Your gal might have been better off reminded that what she was telling you was of interest and relevance ONLY to someone she was planning to have sex with, and that you are not on that list. Also that she should be particularly careful around adult males, whether they present as men or as women, because they have their own agenda and it might not benefit her.

Well, as to the scenario with the child I quite agree. As for my friend's daughter, she's a grown woman she does probably overshare a little bit.

Grown women (of 22 - still not with a fully formed adult brain) can be vulnerable too, and chattering on about their gender and sexual preferences with all and sundry is very unwise.

she should be particularly careful around adult males, whether they present as men or as women, because they have their own agenda and it might not benefit her

Mr T tried to explain this to his 21 year old very woke niece, but she was having none of it and stopped talking to him. I don't know what her views are now, but I really hope she's learned that not everyone is to be trusted. Her early life was incredibly protected and I doubt very much she has any idea of what men can actually be like.

Also that she should be particularly careful around adult males, whether they present as men or as women, because they have their own agenda and it might not benefit her.

Not sure that Oney would have been the best person to impart this advice though, however accurate. Unfortunately to a certain extent each generation of women has to learn this lesson for themselves. I certainly thought I could handle myself at 22 - and would probably have perceived such advice as paternalistic.

yeah I'm far from convinced a middle-aged male friend of her mother (moi) is the best person to have that kind of chat. She is quite sheltered and possibly a bit naive and trusting.

Sorry to derail, but a blizzard has just started!

Bright and sunny in darkest hamshire. There is black ice all over the place tho.

I would have been massively indignant and flouncy if I'd been given such advice when I was 22. In public. But it would have niggled away (I can remember a few wise words that I expressed no gratitude for at the time, but was glad of over the years). Adults gotta adult.

I'd love to see a bit of snow here but everything is just frozen solid.

When I put bird food out earlier, for the first time ever the jackdaws sitting on the roof didn't fly off and just watched what I was doing.

I somehow hadn't seen this part four. I had a very deep discussion with a good, trans friend. I was very worried about outing my approval of the blocking of the Scottish bill, but it went better than expected. Self ID is a step backwards in trans and gender non conforming rights was a conclusion that we could both reach.

I think I have brought up this before but I think that the trans community coming of age in the internet age has led to it being less accountable to itself - it's so much easier to be angry without limits on a screen.

I am still lurking on JtT, struggling to fit here or there tbh.

I certainly thought I could handle myself at 22 - and would probably have perceived such advice as paternalistic.

I didn't think I could handle myself at 22 because experience had already shown me that. Nonetheless, when I was assaulted on the street one day and my then boyfriend suggested I take up martial arts, I was resentful.

Tricyrtis2022

I'd love to see a bit of snow here but everything is just frozen solid.

It's dying off now, very cols and still patches of ice.

-cols
+cold

When I was 22 I’d been living independently for six years and absolutely thought I could handle myself. I really couldn’t though.

waves at @dollymixedup

Not when it came to men anyway.

I guess maybe I was the one making non-secateurs,

I think I'd hedge my bets on that.

Arf!