Apologies another dog thread

[Babsexxx]

When in the actual fuck is this going to end?! Absolutely heartbreaking!! What is possessing people to either A. Get dogs they cannot contain?!! B. Get dog breeds totally beyond there control/capacity!

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I own a GSD, he is an adolescent dog. I never allow him off lead in public parks, I hire a private secure field like every responsible owner I know. I've lost count of the stupid owners who merrily let their dogs off lead, can't recall them and tell me their dogs are friendly. Dogs are predatory animals, no matter how cute and "friendly" they may be. I just don't know how people can own a dog and not understand this. My dog is large, fast, and strong. I train him, he knows he has to listen to me, I've been training him since the day I brought him home. He's a loveable soft thing with me and especially my children, loves every one of my friends, but he is never off lead. I have actually been told I am cruel by some dog owners, that I should let him "be a dog". Always the dog owners who have put of control dogs, that run up to my dog, and chase children on bikes. And around my area, it's always the ones with the cockerpoos, doodles, frenchies, labs and retrievers. Those dogs are dangerous, badly behaved with stupid owners. The larger breeds owners tend to keep their dogs under control, because no one wants a GSD up in their face

But if your GSD is well trained he would be fine off lead surely and would not get up in someones face? With good training (recall, stop, and leave it etc) it should not be a problem. I have a working Cocker, her recall is excellent and we let her off lead and play ball in local fields, beaches and she totally ignores other people, children and animals.

I get that a GSD and a spaniel are totally different but GSD's are intelligent and highly trainable.

The dogs that attack people like this are generally untrained, unruly and owned by thugs (at least where I live they are).

@Jayne35. He has decent recall, I train him daily on a long line, weekly off lead in a secure field. But it's not 100% around distractions. Which is what is should be, in a public place.

Haha my mastiff does the "I'm excited to see you but not lowed to jump up so I'm going to whizz around in circles with excitement at these guests from 3 foot away!" And swiping and destroying every one of mums lamps and picture frames with my giant arse whilst I do it 🤣

We don't ban driving but we do regulate it! A license is required and may be revoked under a number of circumstances, etc. Regulation isn't unthinkable.

I definitely agree dogs have many uses and bring a lot of benefits! Yes, many guide dogs are bred by the Guide Dogs organisation from their own breeding stock, then trained by that organisation, and GD provides ongoing support and checks with the dog owner to ensure its behaviour and the owner's handling are still working well. It's a great model of how dogs can be very safely used to bring many benefits into people lives.

And goodpoint @LakieLady about standard dachshunds. Obviously the issue there was a whole pack of uncontrolled dogs in the woods next door to where that poor lady lived. I am from the Southern US and unfortunately there are some very neglectful dog owners :-( (as well as many good responsible ones)

I agree. My nana was scratched badly by a cat once but it was her own pet in her own home. And it was a bad-tempered Siamese which nobody liked and was subsequently put down. I think it had adopted her rather than the other way round but made the cardinal error of (scratching) the hand that feeds it.

I defy anyone to say that they've been out walking or running and been hassled by a cat, let alone bitten or scratched by one. (pooing in your garden doesn't count, annoying though it is)

owners thinking their dog is equal to humans around them Indeed.

*there is over 10million dogs in the U.K., over 99% are well behaved animals

I'd strongly dispute that 99% are well behaved.

I’m not really seeing your point, they are small dogs. Dachshund/terrier mix. Other news articles state they had very short legs and we’re definitely dachshund cross. So if you have seen an enormous dachshund please tell me. My point is all dogs are capable of serious damage even the tiny ones. I mean they were originally bred to kill badgers and they are pretty tough creature and bloody huge! Much tighter restrictions on dog ownership needed, for all breeds.

CousinKrispy
who licenses the person with a knife or gun that kills many people, as recently happened in French, let’s ban all knives should we?

lieselotte
so you have met over 100,00 dogs have you,

No dog is nasty. It's the owner that raises it to be that way.

I wish that were true but it isn't. Its not always abuse, or fear either. Some dogs are so difficult they need a very experienced owner and they don't get the training they need.

Muzzles would allow dogs freedom to run around freely and preventing them from biting.

Sorry that happened to you. Sounds traumatic. Did you go to the police after the attack? I am interested in the outcome if you did?

Im not having a pop at other breeds, it’s the owners who buy or adopt these dogs and don’t realise what they’ve taken on that I have a problem with. Sighthounds generally have a very high prey drive, I personally find quite that quite intimidating and I don’t think I would chose that breed of dog as a result. If someone wants that breed of dog then that‘s cool as long as they recognise that it’s a threat to other animals and take control of it.

Legally can an owner be held responsible if their dog kills the person they've hired to walk it?

It's not clear yet from any reports I've seen whether the dog that attacked her was one she was walking or a random other dog. Interesting question though.

The Telegraph are quoting the police as saying she was attacked by one of the dogs she was walking.

It's horrific, it must have been absolutely terrifying.

I think if the dog had a proven history of aggression then yes. Otherwise no.

I completely agree with this

The woman who was attacked was the person walking the group of dogs, police have now revealed.

This government ? 😂

She was walking 8 dogs according to news reports, sorry but that's absolutely insane.

No one should be walking more that 4 dogs, some dog walkers are too greedy for money and compromising the safety of the dogs, themselves and others.

Hope this heeds as a warning to people who use dog walkers and dog walkers themselves. 3-4 dogs at most.

What a avoidable tragedy. So sad.

Out if control if they jump at all, it's an attack no matter if you think you're dog is friendly. Call the police for this and if a dog doesn't recall as again that is out of control too. All dogs are dangerous not just the extremely violent breeds.

Thanks! Was probably a bit snippier than I meant to be, 1st thing in norn and SOMEONE SAID SOMETHING BAD ABOUT LURCHERS!!!
I was far more upset about my dogs face than I was about my arm (these were separate occasions...). Police did their best, but both times I didn't see any owner, and 'brown and white and bitey' isn't a very good description to go on :)
Actually, a lot of my best dog friends are of the Staffordshire persuasion, but (as usual) it's bad-owner syndrome and strong jaws.

Re sighthounds, I freely admit they are a menace to fleeing cats, which is why I never let mine off anywhere near houses. But chasing prey animals doesn't equate to being dog aggressive. Even the smallest and fluffiest pups get treated like fellow dogs - I don't let him play with littles because he's big and plays rough but it's normal dog play, completely different from hunting behaviour, and the risks are that the little one will get bruised or scared.

Dog walkers aren’t greedy. They are struggling with the cost of living crisis like the rest of us. If dog walkers only walked 3-4 dogs, they would have to charge a lot more than they currently do.