Apologies another dog thread

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When in the actual fuck is this going to end?! Absolutely heartbreaking!! What is possessing people to either A. Get dogs they cannot contain?!! B. Get dog breeds totally beyond there control/capacity!

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-woman-20s-killed-horror-28942502?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=mirror_main&fbclid=IwAR0QT61C9BluDRapdjz5AB6ry4dkoKI7Io-WFFe1A055Lrfv4P4XoWCylj8

Just checking OP, when you say "NO fucking speculation though is there?!!!" Do you include these comments you made?

That is absolutely awful it must of been a breeder?!
Or someone who owns plenty of dogs then?!
The dogs must be known to eachother.

This. We can all do the research and see its 'generally' the same breed(s) that have killed the majority of people in the last 20 years. I find it baffling that the Government are turning a blind eye to this when it feels like every other month, someone is being killed here by a dog

I think you need to have better control of your dogs.

Dogs shouldn’t be used to keep rabbit populations down. That’s cruel. You say they only kill furry things that run? So that would include someone’s cat then? Or what about a small dog or a toddler wearing a fluffy hoodie running away in fear? If you chose to own that breed of dog then fine. I’m sure there are lovely sighthounds out there with lovely responsible owners but you shouldn’t be letting it off the lead unless you can recall it should you see a prey animal. I can let my staffie out in the garden with my chickens and I can recall her away from a deer. We recently met a hedgehog and she sniffed it then looked at me as to say what on earth is it?

This kind of attitude is the problem because people don’t feel as though they are accountable to their dog and its behaviour, and this is what the law needs new legislative strategies to combat. Stop focusing on breed and start legislating irresponsible pet ownership.

@Somethingsnappy I vaguely remember seeing in the autumn last year something that said fatalities (at 9) was already 3 times the average of previous years so yes high. But ...... and I appreciate this sounds callous 9 deaths in a year from something in a population statistic is nothing (although horrific for the families)

I think the figure that needs looking to decide action on legislation is bites which are also increasing and I believe were increasing before the dog population explosion that was Covid and more specifically looking bites from aggression rather than someone being mildly injured in rough play with their dog which is also in the statistics.

if you're referring to me, Im not actually a dog owner. So many assumptions being made on this thread. Perhaps stick to the facts.

Watch my language?
perhaps have a look at the amount of times 'fucking' as been used on this thread, yet you'reoutraged about my usage of words such as hysterical?! Lol. Hysteria IS being displayed by some posters. If the word fits, use it. You dont have to agree, putting your opinion across is what a message board is all about, or perhaps you're new to this?

I appreciate that Velvian, thank you

If the thread could lose the 'we're all going to be savaged in our sleep by bull breeds' tone and stuck to the facts, we might get a whole lot further discussing what could be implemented to stop such attacks. Im positive there's more to this incident than the police have told the public, so wild speculation and pitchforks at the ready is not helpful on a practical level until we know all the facts.

I had a friend who bred miniature dachshunds, and they were buggers to housetrain.

She was convinced that one day she'd be found dead in her house, having injured herself slipping in daxie shit.

These ones did….
time.com/5280769/dog-attack-dachshund-woman-oklahoma-death/?amp=true

sadly all dogs are capable of serious harm and just be treated carefully. I don’t understand why licenses and mandatory training are not enforced. Might make people thing twice and give them some idea how to actually train a dog

I could definitely see that happening, LakieLady!! Haha.

I think some PP are correct that if specific breeds are banned or controlled, the dickheads who want to own an aggressive dog will find an alternative breed, and the irresponsible owners can make a dog of any breed cause problems for others.

So surely the solution is treating dog ownership very seriously, recognizing that the personal choice to own a dog includes a number of hazards to others, from the risk of contamination through feces left lying about to the risk of aggressive attack, and a system of controls is set up to mitigate those hazards. Perhaps the kind of licensing requirements and (crucially) enforcement as described on this thread in Germany and Switzerland?

Nothing will every completely eliminate all risk of injury by dogs, because we can't guarantee complete safety. But the risks could be lowered by introducing control measures, like we have for cars and firearms.

But, yes, it would cost a good deal of money to set up and enforce, and it would infringe on many people's "freedom" to own a dog without bothering to control it. It's our choice as a society to decide how important that is to us.

So that's a pack of apparently feral dogs (poor things!) acting in a group, all of them crossbreeds and "weighing less than 40 pounds" which implies some of them weighed closed to that (otherwise it would have said "weighing less than 15/20/30 pounds" for greater effect). That's fairly good-sized and not really much like an individual pet dachshund.

That said, I agree that a slack owner can make any breed of dog a problem for others.

And I agree, licensing and proper requirements for space, training, control etc. is a better solution that across the board breed bans. But neither will help if they aren't enforced!

This.

Honestly OP what with the multiple exclamation marks, capitals, not to mention the (IMO) completely fucking inappropriate “upside down smile” emoji in one of your earlier posts, I’m beginning to suspect you’re working yourself into a delirium of froth.

www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/woman-killed-caterham-dog-attack-25969569#source=breaking-news

Some more updates, still not stated the breeds, but here

Terriers definitely have an “edge”. Mine is adorable, highly trained and loves everyone but he wouldn’t tolerate, say, a child pulling his fur or tail.

Did you happen to post on the old dog chat forum, Lakielady?

Have you ever seen a sighthound take a rabbit? It's such a quick kill, the rabbit will know precious little about it. What do you think is a more humane, safe and effective method of controlling the rabbit population when it reaches the level that is decimating food crops?

I don't have sighthounds, I had Lakeland terriers. They were always under control when out, and on the lead if anywhere near sheep, poultry or wildfowl. They both passed the KC silver level "Good Citizen" test, which they wouldn't have done had I not had good control of them.

They were brilliant around children, people, horses, and gave cattle a wide berth. One of them took a couple of rabbits, in open countryside, but both times it was clear that the rabbit had myxomatosis and she probably did it a favour (myxie is a horrible, slow death).

I make no apology for the (considerable) number of rats she killed when we had a rat problem locally. She only ever caught rats in my garden and she probably saved me and my neighbours the expense of calling in a pest control firm. And being killed by a dog like a terrier, that breaks the neck with one shake, is far more humane than poison, which gives the rats a slow death from internal bleeding, or trapping, which can leave them maimed for hours until someone checks the traps and delivers the coup de grace.

The hedgehog was also killed in my garden, either last thing at night or first thing in the morning, when she was let out for a pee, and in the dark. I had no idea hedgehogs got into my garden, which was (and still is) securely fenced.

I am very much opposed to hunting with dogs for sport, but think they can be an excellent method of pest control.

For a moment, I thought they meant their combined weight was less than 40 lbs, but then I did the maths!

They must have been standard dachshunds, which can go up to about 30lbs. When you consider that they were originally bred to hunt badgers, it's not surprising they're a bit fierce.

Just to say: one of my grandchildren is afraid to venture into his local park because he was attacked there and knocked over by a large growling off-lead animal whilst playing innocently with a friend and a ball.

I sometimes go with his sister into the same park. If any of you dog owners take your animals there and one looks like it is about to attack me or my granddaughter, I will kill it as quickly (and painlessly; the dog is not to blame) as I can. I will then report you to the police for assault with a deadly weapon.

Enough is enough. Dog owners who allow their animals to attack people, either deliberately or by default failing to train them, need to cop on that they are selfish evil people.

Enough is enough. We need to fight back against selfish, evil dog owners; if you are one such (I know, I know, not all dog owners, but certainly too many), take note.

My boy once stood stoically while my DP's niece, about 15 months old, used one of his ears to pull herself up to a standing position. He also knew that jumping up wasn't allowed, but loved people and would stand a couple of feet away doing canine star jumps.

My girl was less gregarious and very bonded to me. She wasn't keen on children and would keep out of their way.

Yes, I used to go on dog chat, but stopped when I lost my last dog, so over 2 years now.

I own a GSD, he is an adolescent dog. I never allow him off lead in public parks, I hire a private secure field like every responsible owner I know. I've lost count of the stupid owners who merrily let their dogs off lead, can't recall them and tell me their dogs are friendly. Dogs are predatory animals, no matter how cute and "friendly" they may be. I just don't know how people can own a dog and not understand this. My dog is large, fast, and strong. I train him, he knows he has to listen to me, I've been training him since the day I brought him home. He's a loveable soft thing with me and especially my children, loves every one of my friends, but he is never off lead. I have actually been told I am cruel by some dog owners, that I should let him "be a dog". Always the dog owners who have put of control dogs, that run up to my dog, and chase children on bikes. And around my area, it's always the ones with the cockerpoos, doodles, frenchies, labs and retrievers. Those dogs are dangerous, badly behaved with stupid owners. The larger breeds owners tend to keep their dogs under control, because no one wants a GSD up in their face

What an awful lot of Knee jerk reactions, there is over 10million dogs in the U.K., over 99% are well behaved animals, let’s ban driving, smoking, drunkenness etc, they kill or injure far more humans then dogs every have, look at the good dogs do, guide dogs, search and rescue, seizure detection, cancer detection, bomb and gun search, dogs that help disabled and children with autism etc

This.
Puts it into perspective. X

No one is claiming that guide dogs go on the rampage.
Why don't they? Is it because they are bred for temperament, rejected if they don't pass the test, and the owners are also trained?

I adore my dog she is a lovely well matured dog however she is a working cocker spaniel and she strives to hunt she was literally breed for it!! It’s too much of a risk letting her off out of the dog park because If she caught a cat or any small furry id feel dreadful so to ease my mind and do the right thing I only ever let her off lead in the dog park!!!!

I have a working cocker too, training is key and you can then stop your dog running after everything, spaniels are very intelligent and they can have brilliant recall. The ONLY time ours won't listen is with cats and foxes in our garden as she chases those.