Apologies another dog thread

[Babsexxx]

When in the actual fuck is this going to end?! Absolutely heartbreaking!! What is possessing people to either A. Get dogs they cannot contain?!! B. Get dog breeds totally beyond there control/capacity!

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-woman-20s-killed-horror-28942502?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=mirror_main&fbclid=IwAR0QT61C9BluDRapdjz5AB6ry4dkoKI7Io-WFFe1A055Lrfv4P4XoWCylj8

It will probably get taken down quite quickly but I think it’s important for any dog apologists to see this….November in Ireland. I mean I’m sure we’ll get some victim blaming and saying the child provoked it etc. but still important for people to see.

I think it’s more people are inclined to be skeptical towards a breed specific approach because we’ve had a list of banned dogs for over thirty years but the problem is getting worse. I acknowledge that an American bulldog is a very different type of dog to say, a Pomeranian but I don’t see much sense in using that as a legislative basis. You may argue that the banned list needs to be expanded but where do you want to draw the line? All dogs over a certain weight and size category? Doberman, German Sherpards, Great Danes, St Bernard’s, American Bulldogs to name a few. What about Labradors? Banning breeds just doesn’t work. I’m afraid it’s more complicated than that. My thoughts are with the women’s family and everyone else effected. Horrible

I know it's just awful isn't it, the poor woman must have been terrified, and anyone who witnessed it is most probably scarred for life. Terrible tragedy.

I've just posted on another thread that this dog will be my last, I love him dearly, he wasn't my choice, late husband just came home with a puppy one day, but I have found great comfort in having him for company during my grief, but I won't have another after him.

Mainly because I think I just don't want the hassle again if I'm honest, dogs require constant supervision, hours upon hours of training, and then also there's always that worry in the back of your head "what if" when you see stories.like this.

Also a new puppy you never know what temperament/personality they will have. I have really lucked out with my dog's personality and temperament, he's taken to training and socialising like a dream, a wonderful laid back gentle personality, but I can't guarantee I'd get this lucky again .

So I will enjoy the last 4-5 years I have left with him absolutely, but I won't have another.

Apologies for the source but Daily Mail reporting that none of the dogs appear to have been of ‘dangerous’ breeds. So far 2 dachshunds and a leonberger.

Why are you confused? This is how the deaths were officially recorded by the coroner at the time, as stated. Presumably they called them Alsatians in the 80s and 90s and German Shepherds later on. Why does it matter? Still all deaths, apart from a few incidents where jack russels fractured a tny newborns skull, caused by large dogs bred for aggression.

And if you banned all of the bull breeds, based on historical record, it would reduce fatalities by a very large percentage. This is what I would like to see happen. There is no need to buy, own or breed and American bulldog, Bully XL and the like when they can snap at any moment and kill someone when you could have any number of other types of dog.

Note no labradors, sausage dogs, poodles of cockapoos on the list.

There are currently four illegal dogs in the UK. Those are Pit Bull terrier, the Japanese Tosa, the Dogo Argentino and the Fila Brasileiro.

Only one is mentioned in the list of UK fatalities. The dangerous dog act needs updated and the other bull breeds included.

@SmartHome think you'll find a sausage dog is on the list.

Sorry but you clearly know nothing about bull breeds if you think they’re all frothing at the mouth ready to rip you to shreds. Yes they need careful handling and strict training but can make fantastic pets. I have one and wouldn’t swap him for anything.

@Igotjelly No point arguing with a bull breed hater, in fact all big dogs hater. Pointless.

Agreed.

Just makes me so cross that they get such a bad rep when most are absolute sweethearts and by far gentler than any other breed I’ve ever owned (and I’ve had a few!)

You can't argue with pitnutters. They only change their mind when it's their child ripped in half by pitbulls, like that family in Georgia that lost their 2 children to an attack last year and suddenly all the 'wouldnt hurt a fly' 'pitbull ti I die' posts disappeared from their social media.

@SmartHome
Dr Gaines from the head of the RSPCA explains it better than any of us on here. Take a look when you get five minutes please.

Beautiful dogs inside and out. ❤️
I got four cats, five chickens and a toddler and she’s great with them all. Couldn’t ask for a better dog 😊

I can't believe he was upright for that photo. Poor beautiful boy.

i’m sorry pitnutters? Firstly not all bull breeds are pits, secondly all breeds within the bull category are different and have different traits etc, thirdly not all bull breed owners are idiots who don’t know how to control their dog or who have them purely as status symbols.

Bullmastiffs are an established breed, with a breed standard since 1924!

I think people are mixing up the new and in my opinion dangerous XL mongrel American bully breeds and well established and well breed bull breeds like bulldogs, bullmastiffs and boxers.

People are also confusing English Mastiffs and other Mastiff breeds with the XL Bully again.

Some of these are historical breeds who have been around for near on a century. They have dedicated placement in crufts and with the British Kennel Club. They are exceptionally well breed for health and temperament from reputable breeders and pedigree mastiffs are not cheap by any stretch of the imagination.

They aren't the dogs puppy farmed out for mass production like the "fashion" dogs either. So most breeding stock are from established reputable breeders.

This is why those XL mongrel bull breeds are the way they are, nobody with a decent mastiff/bullmastiff is going to want to mix it in. So they are mixing in whatever they can get their hands on from the "bad" breeders and owners.

I really don't think they deserve to go on a banned list, but I agree the XL American Bulldog atrocities do need to go on.

This is so true. Bull breeds generally and XL bullies are very different kettles of fish.

Mumsnet have a duty to NOT take these photos down. I've had posts and threads pulled when I've posted similar. We need education as to the capabilities of dogs re the damage the can - AND DO - cause.

This poor child. What a horrible thing to endure, and it need never have happened.

I disagree. If you have a bully breed, you're an idiot. If you think you can control a dog, at all times, you're an idiot. If you think training can eradicate their DNA, you're an idiot.

Guess I’m an idiot then 😂🙄

@BIahBIahBIah Let me guess, you're a cat person ?

What utter drivel you speak.

People do know the difference yes?

The first picture is a bullmastiff (recognised breed)

The second is one of those XL Bully things.

Third is an English Mastiff (recognised breed)

They aren't the same dog by any stretch of the imagination.....

I’m in CT, and know a ton of people (myself included) who’ve had rescue dogs shipped up from the South, usually strays or failed hunting dogs turned loo

^^Ignore the above. It’s a half-baked failed quote to a previous poster.

The point is people get these breeds without careful handling and training. I’m a dog lover and I have loved big working dogs all my life but I’d never trust a bully breed. There needs to be tighter restrictions on big breeds (anything bigger than a Labrador perhaps and most bull breeds). Not going to say all bull breeds as that would include the frenchie - they need restrictions for other reasons.