Family missing with newborn....

[ChocChocYum]

www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/23233264.bolton-m61-appeal-help-finding-missing-family-newborn-baby/

Where are they? How can they go missing? Hope they are ok

If I read that article when I was on the run, i would feel so alone. It seems completely at odds with the appeals from friends and family to start sharing things like that with the press. I'm sure the police and SS (if involved) already know

They must have a reason for being “on the run” I can’t imagine anyone would choose to give birth unassisted in a car in these temperatures if they weren’t frightened of revealing themselves.

She must be very worried about losing her baby and boyfriend. I can’t imagine how awful it must be to give birth in those circumstances. I hope she is found soon.

I agree. I also suspect the friend is speaking with permission from the family though.
I don't think people are going to want to get involved or report them tbh, the story we have just isn't clear enough that there is any danger to them, as opposed to making non conformative choices. I get why but there's so much missing.
She's been off grid and out of contact since 2016, the rush to find her has been prompted by the car showing signs of a recent birth I assume.

I suspect her father has been persuaded by the police to make an appeal to her. I doubt it was the way round given the estrangement.

Poor girl sounds like she got into a relationship at her most vulnerable.

Ok his past is criminal but not now. She's also done nothing wrong so why would they want to hide? She's had other DC who have been removed or she's being kidnapped by this man

From her Facebook it looks like she's had 3 other kids. There are photos of them as babies but not any older. All uploaded on the same day in 2020.
I'd presume she's not got them because they're not with her now when she's on the run.

So I'm presuming that they might have gone on the run to keep their child which is very sad. Hopefully they'll be a good outcome & everyone's safe.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11664563/Half-sister-rapist-run-says-innocent-amid-claims-partner-victim-Nigerian-cult.html Hmm

This informative article from Sky News, just in.

If they think they're in a tent they must have an idea of whereabouts they are then? Why can't they find them? There can't be many people pitching tents in January.

Oh my goodness, it’s absolutely freezing to be sleeping in a tent. That poor little baby.

That poor baby, having to sleep in a tent in sun zero conditions!

^sub zero

Oh no a tent 😞 it’s been so cold . I feel really sorry for mum and baby they must be exhausted cold and unhappy at a time they should be warm and safe and have been checked over after the birth. She must be so terrified to run and hide like this and so scared for her newborn . Whatever her reasons are I hope she can see that her baby needs to be safe and warm she obviously cares for him/her deeply to have run away like this (I presume to try and keep the baby)I just hope she can realise to keep baby safe she needs to hand herself in

I really don't feel comfortable with removing children at birth. I know full well there's lots of practical and researched evidence and that 'waiting til something happens' is not acceptable but on a human level it just does not feel comfortable.

Are you comfortable with the outcomes of some of the children who should have been removed, and weren't? On a human level?

You know what happened to Logan Mwangi, to Starr Hobson, etc.?

I agree with you in principle, but you know sometimes it is infinitely preferable to the alternative.

Not all mothers are caring. Not all mothers put their children's welfare first.

I find it weird the level of excuses made for this particular woman and wonder if it's a class thing...

I understand this - the thought of a child being removed from its mother at birth is naturally horrific

It's never a comfortable thought that a baby might be removed at birth.

But it's an even less comfortable thought to think of that baby harmed or dead.

Babies are normally only removed at birth when an older sibling has already suffered harm (exceptions, such as prisoners who don't get one of the limited spaces in a mother and baby wing, do exist)

It's quite right that we feel uncomfortable about it. I've fostered two DC from hospital. Not quite at birth, as they stayed in a while due to prematurity.

Neither could have been successfully cared for by birth family.

Looking after such a vulnerable baby really highlights their need for a stable, capable carer.

We basically undervalue mums. It's not just anyone that can do it, unaided.

Are you comfortable with the outcomes of some of the children who should have been removed, and weren't? On a human level?

I don't know why you felt the need to post this, given my whole post. Which clearly is a 'no' to your question

I didn't and don't really understand the gist of your post. You acknowledge that the evidence is there that sadly sometimes this is necessary, so I don't understand why you posted to say you're uncomfortable with babies being removed from their mothers at birth. I mean of course you are, so is anyone remotely human or empathetic. But... what is your point here? What are you trying to say? Genuinely?

I didn't and don't really understand the gist of your post.

Don't reply then? I mean it's easier to just skim past something you don't get, or even ask what they mean rather than posting some weird 'oh you must be happy with abused kids then' response.

I've just seen this on the news
Poor baby, below zero in a tent
Surely the police will know where they are now? A tent pitched in January is not exactly usual
Hope parents see sense very soon

This is such a worrying case, I really hope that they're found and can be looked after soon.