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Family missing with newborn....

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ChocChocYum · 07/01/2023 21:49

www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/23233264.bolton-m61-appeal-help-finding-missing-family-newborn-baby/

Where are they? How can they go missing? Hope they are ok

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liveforsummer · 12/01/2023 10:22

According to her LinkedIn she worked for them for the best part of a year as a senior researcher going on to work on other projects. I still think it's all very unusual though however much you want to argue or define successful

Family missing with newborn....
TheYearOfSmallThings · 12/01/2023 10:31

I still think it's all very unusual though however much you want to argue or define successful

No need to argue, I just don't see anything solid. Bits and pieces fluffed up to look like more (I look at a lot of CVs Grin).

liveforsummer · 12/01/2023 10:33

A few people are arguing/nit picking. As I said it's very subjective. You'd be highly underwhelmed by my CV 😆

TheYearOfSmallThings · 12/01/2023 10:39

My own CV is nothing special, I hasten to add. Solid but uninspiring sums it up.

Zonder · 12/01/2023 10:50

I think if she had space to include "Pitched an idea..." she probably doesn't have much else to include. If the pitch had been accepted she would have said so. Nothing makes it look like she had a successful career.

liveforsummer · 12/01/2023 10:52

Well regardless, police believe she has access to significant sums of money which might enable them to stay missing indefinitely, which sets this apart from your average mum on the run type scenario that we hear about

ElephantInTheKitchen · 12/01/2023 10:55

She probably does have access to significant amounts of money; the question is how much of that is in cash.

She probably took out a lump sum before going missing but eventually she'll have to put her card in a machine to withdraw some more, and that will be flagged.

liveforsummer · 12/01/2023 11:13

I don't know, but the police might - and they see it as a concern according to news reports

angela99999 · 12/01/2023 12:45

Poor woman, people on here are pulling her career and CV to bits. Speaking for myself I doubt my career would be considered genuinely successful by some posters here. She made a living.
Anyone pushed to such a state of desperation that she felt she had to give birth without medical attention does not deserve this type of attention from us, whatever she is accused of. She clearly needs help.

TheYearOfSmallThings · 12/01/2023 14:05

Poor woman, people on here are pulling her career and CV to bits

No, that is not what people have been doing. A few people were saying it is strange that a highly successful person with an aristocratic background would find herself in this position, and others have replied that actually things may not have been going well for her for a while, and there is a family history of instability, regardless of social status.

As for making a living, I doubt she has ever done so or needed to do so, but you may know differently. Clearly she does need help.

KiwiMum2023 · 13/01/2023 09:10

The Met has now taken over the investigation. Still no joy in finding them.

SpinningFloppa · 13/01/2023 09:45

Such a strange story, does seem to be about avoiding ss from what I’ve read elsewhere

MermaidEyes · 13/01/2023 10:01

It's certainly an odd one. Hope they're found soon for the babys sake.

Owlyhedgehog · 13/01/2023 10:01

They have been spotted in london now

liveforsummer · 13/01/2023 10:55

Surely London is one of the hardest places to stay hidden with its network of cctv?

Eyerollcentral · 13/01/2023 20:36

Itsneveralways · 08/01/2023 07:26

I used to work in a role up till very recently that supported families going through allegations of FII (fabricated or induced illness) or ‘risk of future emotional harm’ (there didn’t need to be any proven harm that had already taken place and social services didn’t need to explain exactly what they thought the risk would be in specific terms just ‘risk of future emotional harm’

Prior to that role I thought social services were always correct and only investigated and removed children for proven abuse or where there was evidence or a disclosure. Cases where there was DV or severe drug issues or neglect.

These were often applied to families where children had medical conditions and/or autism.
Common ‘red flag’ conditions were:

-ASD
-ADHD
-EDS
-Allergies
-digestive or feeding issues
-ME
-anxiety / camhs involvement

Often the families were asking for additional support and/or an EHCP and schools made referrals. Low school attendance due to illness was weaponised against these families even with proof of conditions etc

Many had their children removed. We had to help collating evidence for court because these families were broken. In every case we found huge inaccuracies in reports from professionals and were able to counter each allegation or false info with evidence to prove otherwise but this was often deliberately overlooked and was extremely frustrating.
very limited contact was offered and sessions were always wrongly recorded.
in cases of FII the routes you would normally take to clear your name are blocked as they’ve been deemed ‘red flags for FII’ so getting a second or private opinion is going to make the situation worse as is making a formal compliant as it’s seen as attention seeking.

We advised all parents to covertly record all meetings. When we then had reports etc back it was inaccurate and full of false information-luckily we had recordings we could transcribe to use in court.

I don’t doubt in this case that they are probably trying to evade ss. What I want to get across to people that sadly it’s not always clear cut that social services are doing the right thing.

This could be a case of DV or something else and then yes we need SS to step in and help but I think In general people are very ignorant as to what social services currently are doing to a lot of innocent families and we don’t knew the facts here so can’t rule anything out.

Im not saying it is but if this is a case where it’s FII/risk of future emotional harm then i can understand why they have taken this action it’s obviously not right but these families get desperate.

there’s plenty of info re FII/ risk of future emotional harm out there ans children are routinely removed due to it.

The BASW guidance for social workers re FII and perplexing presentations By Cathie Long is a good read

the website ‘not fine in school’ mentions it.

’FIIghtback’ website is another good resource and supports parents

When you say work, in what capacity? What kind of an organisation were you employed by? Was a regulated, professional role?

HaroldeVwilliam · 13/01/2023 22:07

@Grimblygrumbly What is f11

searchingforme · 13/01/2023 22:14

If you search her name in Facebook the comments under one of the posts says he is a registered sex offender there is also a link to a mugshot from a Florida prison which says Mark Gordon (same age) hailed for kidnap and sexual offences and was deported.

GettingItOutThere · 13/01/2023 22:19

been following this - but on the news there has been none for a few days?

i find it completely bizarre!!?

Kiwimommyinlondon · 13/01/2023 22:22

Is this the same guy? Pretty shocking if so.
offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/sops/flyer.jsf?personId=57968

SpinningFloppa · 13/01/2023 22:37

I don’t think it looks like the same guy personally but I guess it could be, I did read the comments about him being a sex offender though so who knows, it’s sad as ss would have given her the chance to break up with him and keep the children but she must have chosen to stay with him (hence them removing the children)

BornBlonde · 13/01/2023 23:01

searchingforme · 13/01/2023 22:14

If you search her name in Facebook the comments under one of the posts says he is a registered sex offender there is also a link to a mugshot from a Florida prison which says Mark Gordon (same age) hailed for kidnap and sexual offences and was deported.

I hope that's not the case. I cannot understand why any woman would get involved with a self offender

RiceOnABike · 13/01/2023 23:09

Kiwimommyinlondon · 13/01/2023 22:22

Is this the same guy? Pretty shocking if so.
offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/sops/flyer.jsf?personId=57968

That guy's date of birth makes him 48, which is the same age as the Mark Gordon they are looking for. I really really hope that isn't the same person.

searchingforme · 13/01/2023 23:25

My hunch is that is is him same age and name and a reason why her children would be taken away if she chose to stay with him! Even if it isn’t him I bet that SS are involved due to her staying with him and him being abusive or dangerous!

it’s so sad how often women put scum above their own kids! I cannot fathom it.

ElephantInTheKitchen · 14/01/2023 10:10

liveforsummer · 13/01/2023 10:55

Surely London is one of the hardest places to stay hidden with its network of cctv?

Lots of CCTV still requires people to know when and where to look - you can use it to confirm a reported sighting, or find evidence of a street brawl, but you can't have officers watching every bit of London CCTV

It's going to be a lot easier to disappear into the shadows in London. No one will bat an eyelid at them, people tend to mind their own business and not talk to the neighbours.

If they showed up somewhere like North Wales - sure there's not much CCTV, but a black dad, white mum and baby with English accents are going to stick out like a sore thumb, and it's much more likely that someone would join the dots.

As for the Mark Gordon being the same one from Florida - it's theoretically possible but it's such a common name, we don't know where he was deported to, and even the pictures don't look very similar. I'd urge caution on that one.

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