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ChocChocYum · 2023-01-07T21:49:12+00:00

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/23233264.bolton-m61-appeal-help-finding-missing-family-newborn-baby/ Where are they? How can they go missing? Hope they are ok

Clawdy · 10/01/2023 19:39

It was mentioned they had other children. If so, who is looking after them?

SpinningFloppa · 10/01/2023 19:43

LaMagdalena · 10/01/2023 19:26

I originally thought that the couple were trying to escape from social services, but then I read this on an ITV article and thought it was a bit strange:

Det Ch Insp Huddleston said he did not believe they had tried to leave the country and it remained unclear why they did not want to be found.

"We don't know why they might be avoiding detection," he said. "We know they have travelled from Manchester through Liverpool and down into Essex. Why that is, we don't know.

"We have already spoken to the ports and they haven't made any effort to go through Harwich."

So they haven't tried to leave the country, and the police don't know why they're on the run?

They will know, maybe they are being careful about what they say, they want to make it sound like they can easily hand themselves in and nothing will happen…

OneFrenchEgg · 10/01/2023 19:53

They will know, maybe they are being careful about what they say, they want to make it sound like they can easily hand themselves in and nothing will happen…

^^This

jellybeans · 10/01/2023 20:18

I saw her fb page with the other little boy and girl on... Not been updated in 2 years. Whole thing is very mysterious.

Zonder · 10/01/2023 20:27

@jellybeans it may have been updated regularly but with posts that are not visible to the public. She may have posted lots visible just to FB friends.

AutumnColours9 · 10/01/2023 20:32

Zonder · 10/01/2023 20:27

@jellybeans it may have been updated regularly but with posts that are not visible to the public. She may have posted lots visible just to FB friends.

Yes that is true I guess.

ElephantInTheKitchen · 10/01/2023 20:33

The statements about not wanting to interrupt their family life, it not being clear why they've run and so on are very odd

They've been to two ports, Liverpool and Harwich, but have apparently not tried to board a ferry.

There are older children, apparently not in her care. Perhaps the police are saying they don't know why they ran because the plan was for close monitoring / child protection plan after the birth rather than immediate removal.

I'm starting to be reminded of Charlotte Bevan, who also went missing with a newborn, and that was mental health based. Sadly they both died. Of course if it was mental health issues, it doesn't explain why they're both running (unless it's some sort of folie a deux and both have MH problems)

BabyFour2023 · 10/01/2023 20:58

Clawdy · 10/01/2023 19:39

It was mentioned they had other children. If so, who is looking after them?

I don’t think her older 3 children have been in her care for a while.

Rubyupbeat · 10/01/2023 21:23

@WhenIAmOldIShallWearPurple
Spot on.

Itsneveralways · 11/01/2023 07:42

hiredandsqueak · 10/01/2023 14:35

@Itsneveralways I was accused of FII after having had severe PND/ puerperal psychosis. I raised concerns regarding the development of my son (whose birth had triggered my illness) Prior to this nobody had ever raised concerns, I was a competent mother of three already but my illness coloured everything in the professionals' eyes.
The GP refused to make a referral and along with the HV involved social care because I was raising concerns about my son. The psychiatrist who I saw regularly (and took all the medication as directed) wrote to the GP asking him to refer my son as I was well and my concerns were real and valid. The psychiatrist was ignored and each time I raised concerns it brought out social care in a bid (or so it felt) to silence me.
After nine months after a really awful episode I went to the GP and asked him to refer or I would be moving to the GP in the next village. He referred ds to Speech Therapy. The SALT had obviously been given a story as she refused to allow me into the room with my son and spoke to me like dirt. After twenty minutes she came back and kept saying "I'm sorry I'm so sorry" I just replied "so you believe me then?" She explained ds didn't have speech delay but needed to be seen by a paediatrician. She phoned later that day to say GP refused to refer so she had referred him herself.
Ds saw the paediatrician at 2 and a half and his first words were "So your GP thinks this is normal, I'm seriously concerned how bad it's got to be before they refer. You think it's Autism, well I know it is".
At that social care disappeared from our lives with no explanation or apology and I moved to a different GP and refused any HV involvement. I could never work out how social care took the word of a GP over a psychiatrist and didn't support a paediatric referral if they wanted proof that ds was "perfectly fine and it was all in my head"

That’s dreadful I’m so sorry. There have been from what I’ve seen a lot of parents targeted when their children have ASD and they need support or they are asking for help and diagnosis. It’s absolutely horrific how this can be done to innocent parents

hiredandsqueak · 11/01/2023 07:55

@Itsneveralways I think it would have been even worse had I not been married and from a "nice" family. Social Care wanted me removed from ds's care and were suggesting to now exh that they could explore getting me a flat elsewhere. Exh's agreement to stop working so that I would be "supervised" was the compromise.

EasterIssland · 11/01/2023 07:57

Has there been any update ?

liveforsummer · 11/01/2023 08:04

EasterIssland · 11/01/2023 07:57

Has there been any update ?

Doesn't seem to have been but they appear to know the baby is a boy?!

Itsneveralways · 11/01/2023 08:47

hiredandsqueak · 11/01/2023 07:55

@Itsneveralways I think it would have been even worse had I not been married and from a "nice" family. Social Care wanted me removed from ds's care and were suggesting to now exh that they could explore getting me a flat elsewhere. Exh's agreement to stop working so that I would be "supervised" was the compromise.

yes, many families we worked with were from poorer backgrounds and had large families often more than one child with SEN or medical issues (many of which it was obvious there was a genetic tendency eg allergies or ASD and not as ss would often state ‘too many conditions for one family/more illness than the average child)

How awful they tried to split you up . I’m glad you came to a compromise but it still shouldn’t be that way 😞

hiredandsqueak · 11/01/2023 09:24

@Itsneveralways it was irrational reasoning anyway I wasn’t raising medical concerns it was always developmental concerns and nothing I could have influenced in any way either. Had they actually observed ds even without me there the concerns were always present as SALT experienced when she saw him without me.

Itsneveralways · 11/01/2023 10:00

hiredandsqueak · 11/01/2023 09:24

@Itsneveralways it was irrational reasoning anyway I wasn’t raising medical concerns it was always developmental concerns and nothing I could have influenced in any way either. Had they actually observed ds even without me there the concerns were always present as SALT experienced when she saw him without me.

It’s terrible thank goodness the SALT recognised it

rrrrrreatt · 11/01/2023 19:59

liveforsummer · 08/01/2023 10:59

It's wrong to think that only a particular demographic has social service involvement. "Life happens" in all sort of families.

I'm not talking about ss involvement though - I talking about this specific case! People missing/on the run with their babies are rarely successful public figures with aristocratic family.

I think a successful public figure is a stretch. Nothing I’ve seen in reporting or online indicates this. Had you heard of her before she went missing? Thats not to say she’s has no career but plenty of people with good careers end up getting themselves into a pickle. And given aristocrats make up a tiny % proportion of the country’s population it’s no surprise this is unusual.

This case is terribly sad, it’s no way for a baby to start their life and both parents must be extremely stressed to run away, but some of the most messed up people I know are from money. It can buy you a good education and private therapy but it’s not a magic cure all.

ElephantInTheKitchen · 11/01/2023 22:25

She's got a good education but according to her LinkedIn there's nothing spectacular career wise; she doesn't seem to have become particularly established in anything, even by her late 20s.
uk.linkedin.com/in/constance-marten-93a6ab9a

Also graduated from acting school in 2016
www.east15.ac.uk/alumni/2016

There's hints of estrangement from the family after 2016.

It does seem that something went quite spectacularly wrong after 2016, though what I have no idea. It's very sad, and quite unusual in many ways.

KiwiMum2023 · 12/01/2023 09:31

Very sad. Seems like she has dropped off the radar, leaving old friends and social circles behind.

TheYearOfSmallThings · 12/01/2023 09:43

People missing/on the run with their babies are rarely successful public figures with aristocratic family.

This lady has not been successful, just dabbled in a bit of photography, acting, fringes of journalism, nothing substantive. And although her family may be aristocratic, her father is eccentric with a history of going AWOL, hearing voices, having mystical out-of-body experiences and believing he previously lived 400 years ago.

It is an unusual situation but mental health issues and unfortunate life choices can affect any demographic.

liveforsummer · 12/01/2023 09:53

TheYearOfSmallThings · 12/01/2023 09:43

People missing/on the run with their babies are rarely successful public figures with aristocratic family.

This lady has not been successful, just dabbled in a bit of photography, acting, fringes of journalism, nothing substantive. And although her family may be aristocratic, her father is eccentric with a history of going AWOL, hearing voices, having mystical out-of-body experiences and believing he previously lived 400 years ago.

It is an unusual situation but mental health issues and unfortunate life choices can affect any demographic.

Being an investigative journalist for a top news agency is pretty successful in my eyes but then I'm not especially successful so that's subjective 😆. My point was, which you seem to agree with, is that it's a highly unusual situation and although they don't have the close aristocratic links now, the family has previously.

Forestfever · 12/01/2023 10:11

liveforsummer · 12/01/2023 09:53

Being an investigative journalist for a top news agency is pretty successful in my eyes but then I'm not especially successful so that's subjective 😆. My point was, which you seem to agree with, is that it's a highly unusual situation and although they don't have the close aristocratic links now, the family has previously.

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I agree. It is successful to work for a top news agency. She appears to have been employed rather than freelance as well.

it's very sad. Her life seemed to be on an upward path until around 2016. Sometime between 2017 and 2020 (when the photos were posted) she seems to have managed to have had four children who it appears are no longer in her care and fallen out with her best friend and family. I wonder what happened.

Also I find the latest police statement which says they don't know why she has gone missing, very odd as it seems the reasons are obvious.

TheYearOfSmallThings · 12/01/2023 10:13

I don't think she ever was an investigative journalist for a top news agency. She took some pictures and sold them to an agency, as many people do, but no real career (unless under a different name).

Forestfever · 12/01/2023 10:14

i wish I could edit my post. That should be three children - the fourth being born last week.

Forestfever · 12/01/2023 10:15

TheYearOfSmallThings · 12/01/2023 10:13

I don't think she ever was an investigative journalist for a top news agency. She took some pictures and sold them to an agency, as many people do, but no real career (unless under a different name).

She had an Al Jazeera email address which wouldn't always, but usually does, indicates she was employed by them. I guess it could have been a short period of time though, but given her family links, it wouldn't surprise me as often it is people with money who can afford to take on these not so well paid but they exciting roles that can lead to bigger and better things in further.