Family missing with newborn....

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www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/23233264.bolton-m61-appeal-help-finding-missing-family-newborn-baby/

Where are they? How can they go missing? Hope they are ok

Napier Marten is the father of the woman.

this is the documentary @PriamFarrl mentioned (in French obvs[

@Itsneveralways
Without going into too much detail
This happened to me when my ex DH left... I am disabled with depression and 2 of mine were removed 13 years ago For future emotional harm... no other reason
Even FC agree it wasn't necessary

I can’t access Websleuths either- could anyone summarise or screenshot?

I’m so sorry that this happened to you

Some people have asked for better intervention to help the parents. I don't entirely agree. The money should be spent on the DC. There is a huge amount spent in social services, to feed a bottomless pit of need.

We could intervene directly. After school clubs, breakfast clubs, mentors, giving children direct access to food, shelter and trustworthy adults. Get firefighters, ambulance workers, police etc (perhaps those on light duties) to be regularly visiting the out of school care. DC wouldn't lose faith in the authorities. They'd be more inclined to trust safe adults and disclose abuse. They'd have their basic needs met, even if their parents can't always manage that.

This ^^ would all be so cheap in comparison with what's spent on social care and prosecutions.

Websleuths was down for me earlier but is back up now.

Tried to post a link for pp and my post got rejected (WTF MNHQ)

I have respect for social workers and the difficult job they do and under so much pressure, heavy case loads, changing staff, lack of support, continuous changes in processes, how can you provide a good children's service working in this.

but I also agree with this post - it is amazing how often 3 successive and hierarchical workers involved in a case can miss crucial information or just assume the previous has covered or just rubber stamp - or as often is the case approach a case with the same organisational viewpoint. Not questioning colleagues decisions and quite often reports are descriptive rather than analytical. A good report writer can minimise or exaggerate a situation. Often LAC SWs have met the child once or twice before writing their assessment report often there has been a change of SW with important information still in the last SWs head.

I nearly switched to a SW degree but decided against it as I didn't feel I had the skills to be impartial and non judgemental in abuse cases and especially child protection. As Lord Laming said SWs have to be prepared to think the unthinkable - or words to that effect.

@RoyalStallion @Whowhatwherewhenwhynow 20 years as a SW in various roles here and I could have written word for word what you both (so eloquently!) have said. I often feel conflicted looking back over my career. It’s reassuring to hear others who share my views and experiences.

Any sign of these two I wonder?

Websluths is working for me. From her Instagram (not updated since 2016) it looks like she was also close to her SIL. She might be at the wedding? Maybe that's her on the end in pic #35?

I've got no expertise on SS procedure, but I used to work at a very tony prep school and there were certainly very, very wealthy parents there who had huge problems. Having a lot of money doesn't protect you from those issues, although it does make it easier for them to be smoothed over.

Look at Eva Rausing...

I suspect she wasn’t at the wedding

I don’t think she was at the wedding, her SIL Instagram now switched to private

This is not true. They don't just take your child from you.

Erm yes that's what I said?

@Itsneveralways I was accused of FII after having had severe PND/ puerperal psychosis. I raised concerns regarding the development of my son (whose birth had triggered my illness) Prior to this nobody had ever raised concerns, I was a competent mother of three already but my illness coloured everything in the professionals' eyes.
The GP refused to make a referral and along with the HV involved social care because I was raising concerns about my son. The psychiatrist who I saw regularly (and took all the medication as directed) wrote to the GP asking him to refer my son as I was well and my concerns were real and valid. The psychiatrist was ignored and each time I raised concerns it brought out social care in a bid (or so it felt) to silence me.
After nine months after a really awful episode I went to the GP and asked him to refer or I would be moving to the GP in the next village. He referred ds to Speech Therapy. The SALT had obviously been given a story as she refused to allow me into the room with my son and spoke to me like dirt. After twenty minutes she came back and kept saying "I'm sorry I'm so sorry" I just replied "so you believe me then?" She explained ds didn't have speech delay but needed to be seen by a paediatrician. She phoned later that day to say GP refused to refer so she had referred him herself.
Ds saw the paediatrician at 2 and a half and his first words were "So your GP thinks this is normal, I'm seriously concerned how bad it's got to be before they refer. You think it's Autism, well I know it is".
At that social care disappeared from our lives with no explanation or apology and I moved to a different GP and refused any HV involvement. I could never work out how social care took the word of a GP over a psychiatrist and didn't support a paediatric referral if they wanted proof that ds was "perfectly fine and it was all in my head"

That was also my first thought

@hiredandsqueak that's truly terrifying. So sorry that you had to go through all of that

That's awful im the parent of a severely autistic child,by contrast everybody for my son to be assessed ,and he was diagnosed with autism and learning disabilities at three ,it just shows how badly professional judgement can be clouded .

Thank you, it had a long lasting effect. I am wary of health professionals to this day, it took a few years before I stopped insisting that I read what the GP wrote in the notes after a visit and I never asked for social care support despite having ds who was incredibly challenging because I could never allow them into our lives again.

Police are concerned that Constance Marten, 35, has the financial resources to survive indefinitely as they enter a fifth day of trying to trace her.

Intelligence provided by taxi drivers suggests that the couple paid cash to travel first to Liverpool and then to Essex. They later stayed a hotel using false names.

An update from the police.

It sounds like they’ve been planning this.

It’s a shame because they’re obviously desperate to keep hold of their baby but they’re just proving what bad parents they are by not allowing the baby to seek medical attention.

Maybe they are hoping to go to a different country and get the baby checked there instead.

Horrific. I wish you would complain but understand why you wouldn't.

@Forthelast I was so shaken by it all I couldn't complain I just wanted to forget what had happened. It was as if they had decided without any authority to diagnose that it was FII whilst ignoring a psychiatrist who would have at least had insight and didn't even bother to assess my son at all. I didn't have to research to come up with autism, it was classic autism, obvious to the paediatrician within minutes of us entering his room.

I originally thought that the couple were trying to escape from social services, but then I read this on an ITV article and thought it was a bit strange:

Det Ch Insp Huddleston said he did not believe they had tried to leave the country and it remained unclear why they did not want to be found.

"We don't know why they might be avoiding detection," he said. "We know they have travelled from Manchester through Liverpool and down into Essex. Why that is, we don't know.

"We have already spoken to the ports and they haven't made any effort to go through Harwich."

So they haven't tried to leave the country, and the police don't know why they're on the run?