Page 6 | Views on Rishi Sunak?

BradfordGirl · 2023-01-04T11:46:12+00:00

My view is he seems to be an incredibly weak and passive Prime Minister who is missing in action while the country faces crisis after crisis. We could have a cardboard cut out as Prime Minister and I doubt we would notice much difference.

jgw1 · 04/01/2023 16:57

socialmedia23 · 04/01/2023 16:26

It is completely different. As a trader, your aim is to make money for your investors by predicting the highs and the lows. Many hedge funds would not last a life time; the managers can close the fund if its unprofitable. They can then create a new one. Most investors would also not invest their life savings in a fund, the people who invest in funds are sophisticated investors who understand the importance of diversification.

The British economy isn't the same. When you make a wrong decision, you can indirectly cause businesses to go bust, people to lose their jobs, people to die, families to go into arrears. And there is no coming back from such disasters for many people, it would be incredibly hard to pick themselves up again.

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As a gambler your aim is to make money by predicting the highs and lows of a horse race or a football match.
Explain to me how it is any different?

jgw1 · 04/01/2023 17:01

L1ttledrummergirl · 04/01/2023 16:36

In my opinion he is a weak minded, money greedy, piece of lowlife who received a fpn for partying during lockdown underlying he believes he is different to the general population and special so the rules don't apply to him.

He is dishonest, shown by his pretence of owning someone else's car and has no understanding of how normal people live- couldn't understand to pay for the petrol he put in the car he pretended was his.

He has little loyalty to this country- green card for USA held while an MP, wife registered as a nom dom hardly screams settled, resident of the UK with a determination to put this countries interests first. His family income includes money from a company (infosis) which I understand is still operating in Russia.

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/04/infosys-still-operating-russia-rishi-sunak-akshata-murty

In short I think he's an arrogant piece of shit who shouldn't have got anywhere near Downing Street as his values are polar opposite to my own and that he has means that something is rotten at the heart of politics for him to have had any support from the conservative party.

This is my opinion, not fact but I await deletion anyway (despite trying to be polite and give reasons for my revulsion to the ideology he seems to stand for).

Are you me?
Or can you read my mind?

Everanewbie · 04/01/2023 17:02

jgw1 · 04/01/2023 16:56

The evidence of the past 12 years is that the poorest in society fulfil that role in the name of austerity.

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If an investment fund performs badly, the investors in that fund see their investment fall in value, and the fund receives lower fees. The tax payer does not bail it out.

What may be causing the confusion is the recapitalization of the banks in 2008/9 where a stake in some banks were taken by the government.

Or is it the financial services compensation scheme that guarantees an investor the first £85,000 of their investment upon institutional failure?

Probably neither. Just a regurgitated ill informed soundbite.

ShandaLear · 04/01/2023 17:02

He’s a scrape the barrel prime minister leading a scrape the barrel cabinet. There is very little talent left in the Conservative government. While I wasn’t a fan of Cameron, Hunt, Osborne and the like, at least they felt like grown ups. This lot is the dregs of the schoolyard, not there because they’re competent, but because they’ve nowhere else to go.

Aintnosupermum · 04/01/2023 17:03

@Everanewbie

I can’t believe I’m reading what you wrote. The wife has assets in India which provide her an income. She has declared the Uk is not her permanent home, yet her husband is an MP deciding on legislation, her children attend school in the UK and she resides predominantly in the UK.

I was born outside of the UK and I expect to pay taxes on my worldwide income when I return to the UK. It’s really simple. You don’t get to be half in, half out.

I am now a U.S. citizen and was previously a greencard. I’m very aware of the rules around the greencard which is why I became a citizen. You are supposed to surrender your greencard if don’t expect to return to the US to reside. He kept his greencard as did his wife, which can only mean their intent was to return to the US. Why become an MP then?!? This again demonstrates a lack of integrity.

@L1ttledrummergirl isnt wrong.

jgw1 · 04/01/2023 17:04

FPN - Yes he did. But if you actually look into it he turned up to a meeting where cake etc. had been brought in for Boris. Hardly partying. And the reports I have read suggest he was shaking his head muttering "FFS" Sounds like he took it on the chin to avoid further embarrassment to Boris. He helped stop a catastrophic 2021 Christmas lockdown too.

If he disapproved of breaking the law by partying in government then he would have left the room, headed out the door of No 10 and announced to the assembled media why he was resigning from the government.

That he did not says everything anyone needs to know about his morals.

Everanewbie · 04/01/2023 17:06

Aintnosupermum · 04/01/2023 17:03

@Everanewbie

I can’t believe I’m reading what you wrote. The wife has assets in India which provide her an income. She has declared the Uk is not her permanent home, yet her husband is an MP deciding on legislation, her children attend school in the UK and she resides predominantly in the UK.

I was born outside of the UK and I expect to pay taxes on my worldwide income when I return to the UK. It’s really simple. You don’t get to be half in, half out.

I am now a U.S. citizen and was previously a greencard. I’m very aware of the rules around the greencard which is why I became a citizen. You are supposed to surrender your greencard if don’t expect to return to the US to reside. He kept his greencard as did his wife, which can only mean their intent was to return to the US. Why become an MP then?!? This again demonstrates a lack of integrity.

@L1ttledrummergirl isnt wrong.

Hey, you can argue about the morals of non-dom status all you want. It was legal and it was his wife, not him.

Spect8 · 04/01/2023 17:06

Advisors and civil service really run the country. Sir Humphrey types.

The PM can choose to listen, or not. How can a PM know everything about every Department/Minister in his cabinet. He can't. But he could listen and prioritise. He appears to be listening to the "look over there" types though. (Maths).

The vibe I get is total inertia and indifference on behalf of the Government, and nothing will set them alight for the good of the citizen anymore now. They know the game is up.

QueenCoconut · 04/01/2023 17:07

L1ttledrummergirl · 04/01/2023 16:36

In my opinion he is a weak minded, money greedy, piece of lowlife who received a fpn for partying during lockdown underlying he believes he is different to the general population and special so the rules don't apply to him.

He is dishonest, shown by his pretence of owning someone else's car and has no understanding of how normal people live- couldn't understand to pay for the petrol he put in the car he pretended was his.

He has little loyalty to this country- green card for USA held while an MP, wife registered as a nom dom hardly screams settled, resident of the UK with a determination to put this countries interests first. His family income includes money from a company (infosis) which I understand is still operating in Russia.

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/04/infosys-still-operating-russia-rishi-sunak-akshata-murty

In short I think he's an arrogant piece of shit who shouldn't have got anywhere near Downing Street as his values are polar opposite to my own and that he has means that something is rotten at the heart of politics for him to have had any support from the conservative party.

This is my opinion, not fact but I await deletion anyway (despite trying to be polite and give reasons for my revulsion to the ideology he seems to stand for).

Agree with this. His education and career achievements are not enough to persuade me to give him a chance.

Everanewbie · 04/01/2023 17:08

jgw1 · 04/01/2023 17:04

FPN - Yes he did. But if you actually look into it he turned up to a meeting where cake etc. had been brought in for Boris. Hardly partying. And the reports I have read suggest he was shaking his head muttering "FFS" Sounds like he took it on the chin to avoid further embarrassment to Boris. He helped stop a catastrophic 2021 Christmas lockdown too.

If he disapproved of breaking the law by partying in government then he would have left the room, headed out the door of No 10 and announced to the assembled media why he was resigning from the government.

That he did not says everything anyone needs to know about his morals.

Yes, that would have been awesome. I can't imagine many people would have done that in the real world. As I said up thread, Rishi should have resigned in November 2020 when we were plunged into another lockdown.

MarshaBradyo · 04/01/2023 17:11

Everanewbie · 04/01/2023 16:54

@L1ttledrummergirl urgh. I think I might be wasting my time here trying to persuade you to give the guy a chance, but I'd like to at least provide some further context to what you have accused him of in your post.

FPN - Yes he did. But if you actually look into it he turned up to a meeting where cake etc. had been brought in for Boris. Hardly partying. And the reports I have read suggest he was shaking his head muttering "FFS" Sounds like he took it on the chin to avoid further embarrassment to Boris. He helped stop a catastrophic 2021 Christmas lockdown too.
He worked in the US for a while. I can't see how this is bad thing.
His wife (not him) receives dividends from a company that she has less than 1% stake in. His wife does not have the casting vote of where the company operates and neither does Rishi. If we drilled down into the underlying assets of our own pension schemes i think we'd all be surprised.
His wife's non-dom status. Again, that's his wife. If we suggested he get his wife in line we'd all be slating him as controlling. Anyhow, Akshata was born in India and her assets are in India. She paid taxes on those assets in India. She's under no obligation to arrange her assets in a manner that sees her pay the most tax. Even if you disagree, its still her, and her money. Not Rishi. She backed down anyway to appease the people who don't seem to understand this.

You’re doing well but it’s not you. Some are firmly fixed to a party already no matter the arguments made.

Blossomtoes · 04/01/2023 17:17

bellinisurge · 04/01/2023 12:01

@longwayoff , I used to say this isn't as bad as Thatcher. But I accept now that it is. In fact, it's worse. I don't say that lightly.

It’s definitely worse. I’m 70 this year and I honestly can’t remember things ever being as bad as they are now. At least Thatcher’s governments took their job seriously. This lot seem to think it’s a game.

jgw1 · 04/01/2023 17:22

QueenCoconut · 04/01/2023 17:07

Agree with this. His education and career achievements are not enough to persuade me to give him a chance.

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Surely he has already had a chance? He was Chancellor in the worst government this country has had in living memory, until the next government came along. How does that in any way qualify him to be Prime Minister?

jgw1 · 04/01/2023 17:25

MarshaBradyo · 04/01/2023 17:11

You’re doing well but it’s not you. Some are firmly fixed to a party already no matter the arguments made.

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People are so firmly fixed with a particular party that the latest opinion polls and predictions based upon them show an almost identical make up of the House of Commons if a General Election was held not as occured in 2019. Its a wonder that Rishi does not call a snap general electrion and ensure he has a landside mandate of his own.

www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/prediction_main.html

jgw1 · 04/01/2023 17:27

Blossomtoes · 04/01/2023 17:17

It’s definitely worse. I’m 70 this year and I honestly can’t remember things ever being as bad as they are now. At least Thatcher’s governments took their job seriously. This lot seem to think it’s a game.

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Like her or loathe her Thatcher had principles.
Can anyone identify a principle that the Prime Minister and this government has that they have not contradicted in the past year other than enriching their mates and trying to make the poor poorer?

MarshaBradyo · 04/01/2023 17:28

Polls aren’t fixed

And even a point lead doesn’t mean winning as poor old Ed Miliband found out.

Having said that Labour may well win. It’s a big amount to get back

I see these comments about mediocrity then think of Labour front bench..

I know mners love them I don’t see it. Just so uninspiring

L1ttledrummergirl · 04/01/2023 17:37

MarshaBradyo · 04/01/2023 17:11

You’re doing well but it’s not you. Some are firmly fixed to a party already no matter the arguments made.

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1, He should have walked straight out and resigned his position in protest. It chose to stay and is so complicit.

2, Not a bad thing, not something I object to. When deciding to go into politics I would expect someone to be full committed to the country they are governing and commit fully by cancelling their green card for another country.

3, His wife's money, however it is earned is part of his families resources. He is benefitting personally from it. As Prime Minister his position in this is untenable, he is personally gaining financially from the war in Ukraine from his wife's business interests, which is in direct conflict with his position as PM. Perhaps a decent moral and ethics advisor could have pointed this out. That his wife chooses to put him in this position by continuing to hold these shares is an issue for them to work through. He doesn't appear to have his wife's support in the role, and if she won't support him why should I?

4, She is married to the PM, she lives in this country. Surely they should have realised that they come as a unit.

I've always been a swing voter, but this lot disgust me.

MarshaBradyo · 04/01/2023 17:38

L1ttledrummergirl · 04/01/2023 17:37

1, He should have walked straight out and resigned his position in protest. It chose to stay and is so complicit.

2, Not a bad thing, not something I object to. When deciding to go into politics I would expect someone to be full committed to the country they are governing and commit fully by cancelling their green card for another country.

3, His wife's money, however it is earned is part of his families resources. He is benefitting personally from it. As Prime Minister his position in this is untenable, he is personally gaining financially from the war in Ukraine from his wife's business interests, which is in direct conflict with his position as PM. Perhaps a decent moral and ethics advisor could have pointed this out. That his wife chooses to put him in this position by continuing to hold these shares is an issue for them to work through. He doesn't appear to have his wife's support in the role, and if she won't support him why should I?

4, She is married to the PM, she lives in this country. Surely they should have realised that they come as a unit.

I've always been a swing voter, but this lot disgust me.

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Which Tories have you voted for?

Blossomtoes · 04/01/2023 17:40

I don’t want to be inspired. I want decent, dependable public services and a government that puts the country and its people first. We sure as hell haven’t got that now. And if this is inspiring I’ll definitely pass.

MarshaBradyo · 04/01/2023 17:44

Labour voters will vote Labour no surprise there. Even stodgy old Starmer

It’s people who say they’ve voted Tory before I’m interested in - who passed the grade?

Return2thebasic · 04/01/2023 17:50

Everanewbie · 04/01/2023 16:25

@Bluekerfuffle I don't think its fair to write a guy off as not understanding issues faced by ordinary people because he is wealthy. Would you write off someone from a white working class background for not understanding issues faced by second generation immigrants? If he does show a contempt for ordinary, hard working people, I'll be the first person to cross in another box come election day. But from what I've seen he seems like a competent and principled man and I'm willing to see what he does before I judge him.

Please what do you pick as evidence to show his competence? ? What has he actually accomplished in the past three months?

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BradfordGirl · 04/01/2023 17:50

@MarshaBradyo It is a bit rude to demand to know who everyone else voted for without revealing who you have voted for?
Or do you vote Conservative no matter what?

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BradfordGirl · 04/01/2023 17:52

And I want someone competent. Starmer appears competent. I have never been won over by flashiness. Starmer is also a centrist which suits me perfectly. Neither very left wing or very right wing. It is why the Corbynites hate him.

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RandyMandyy · 04/01/2023 17:55

I imagine Rishi thinks that the only reason people are struggling with bills is because they just can't add up. The only way he can think of to solve this problem is to make people study Maths Till 18.

Nice one Rishi, so glad you came.

MarshaBradyo · 04/01/2023 17:56

BradfordGirl · 04/01/2023 17:50

@MarshaBradyo It is a bit rude to demand to know who everyone else voted for without revealing who you have voted for?
Or do you vote Conservative no matter what?

It’s a bit rude to not read posts ;

I always say who I voted for if asking and did in earlier post re Blair - so him, Remain and then Corbyn put me off last time. I had high hopes for Starmer as more centrist but no dice

When I read the current lot are disgusting or incapable etc I’m wondering which Tory was ok to vote for?