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Views on Rishi Sunak?

264 replies

BradfordGirl · 04/01/2023 11:46

My view is he seems to be an incredibly weak and passive Prime Minister who is missing in action while the country faces crisis after crisis. We could have a cardboard cut out as Prime Minister and I doubt we would notice much difference.

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BradfordGirl · 04/01/2023 16:17

The petrol station situation was hilarious in its bizarity. How can he get to his age and not know how to do everyday tasks. Does he just have staff who do everything for him?

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jgw1 · 04/01/2023 16:21

Everanewbie · 04/01/2023 15:54

@BradfordGirl I'm not sure you'd be an effective hedge fund manager without a decent understanding of macroeconomics.

I'm sure it is perfectly possible to gamble with other people's money knowing the government will bail you out if it goes wrong with very little knowledge.

Aintnosupermum · 04/01/2023 16:23

@socialmedia23

Im not a fan of Rishi but I wouldn’t ever categorize him as a Melania Trump.

His accomplishments outside of politics are fine. I’ve not been a fan of his since his wife didn’t feel the need to declare herself to be a British resident for tax purposes and continued claiming to be non-domiciled in the UK. I don’t understand how you can be a non-dom and your spouse an MP. Surely at that point you tip into the bucket of the Uk being your permanent home. If it isn’t your permanent home, your spouse shouldn’t be an MP. It’s called integrity. When I’ve raised this before on here and posters claimed I was being sexist and racist. I’m not at all. I believe in our system and it’s based on a core set of values which I don’t believe he has demonstrated.

The reality is we all need to work harder and smarter. This includes our MPs who need to be honest.

As a side note, the PFI contracts have got to be killing the NHS and education budgets. With higher rates, this debt will be trading at a discount. Why are we not buying this debt back now before these contracts start to expire in 2025 and refinancing with 10 year gilts?

MarshaBradyo · 04/01/2023 16:25

FinanceLPlates · 04/01/2023 16:14

True. This is why the Luddites destroyed the new mechanised looms. However low productivity ways of working in a global context mean that you become uncompetitive and people lose their jobs anyway.

I’m in the private sector so I’m used to redundancies when demand goes down. I find the public sector culture (which may still be there after privatisation) less conducive to that kind of change.

Everanewbie · 04/01/2023 16:25

@Bluekerfuffle I don't think its fair to write a guy off as not understanding issues faced by ordinary people because he is wealthy. Would you write off someone from a white working class background for not understanding issues faced by second generation immigrants? If he does show a contempt for ordinary, hard working people, I'll be the first person to cross in another box come election day. But from what I've seen he seems like a competent and principled man and I'm willing to see what he does before I judge him.

Everanewbie · 04/01/2023 16:26

jgw1 · 04/01/2023 16:21

I'm sure it is perfectly possible to gamble with other people's money knowing the government will bail you out if it goes wrong with very little knowledge.

Who bails out a poorly performing hedge fund?

socialmedia23 · 04/01/2023 16:26

jgw1 · 04/01/2023 16:21

I'm sure it is perfectly possible to gamble with other people's money knowing the government will bail you out if it goes wrong with very little knowledge.

It is completely different. As a trader, your aim is to make money for your investors by predicting the highs and the lows. Many hedge funds would not last a life time; the managers can close the fund if its unprofitable. They can then create a new one. Most investors would also not invest their life savings in a fund, the people who invest in funds are sophisticated investors who understand the importance of diversification.

The British economy isn't the same. When you make a wrong decision, you can indirectly cause businesses to go bust, people to lose their jobs, people to die, families to go into arrears. And there is no coming back from such disasters for many people, it would be incredibly hard to pick themselves up again.

anythinginapinch · 04/01/2023 16:28

Arsehole

MarshaBradyo · 04/01/2023 16:28

Everanewbie · 04/01/2023 16:25

@Bluekerfuffle I don't think its fair to write a guy off as not understanding issues faced by ordinary people because he is wealthy. Would you write off someone from a white working class background for not understanding issues faced by second generation immigrants? If he does show a contempt for ordinary, hard working people, I'll be the first person to cross in another box come election day. But from what I've seen he seems like a competent and principled man and I'm willing to see what he does before I judge him.

I think there are voters who will never vote Tory no matter who is there so there’s probably little point in saying to them why you think he’s good.

But it’s the centre ground as usual who swing elections as we’ve seen with past landslides. Having said that he may poll higher than his party and there’s a lot of ground to make up so who knows, he could be better but not win still.

BradfordGirl · 04/01/2023 16:32

I would never write off someone as Prime Minister because they are wealthy. I write them off if they are useless though.

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MissyB1 · 04/01/2023 16:33

I notice that now he’s making grand promises about halving waiting lists. Errrm… he needs to understand some basic facts.

  1. If all your beds are occupied you can’t do elective surgery.
  2. If staff are constantly being diverted to help with crisis management of wards and A&E they can’t do procedures or run clinics
  3. To carry out a lot more surgery requires more surgeons/nurses/support staff. Where’s he getting them from? Is he going to knit them?
Until he acknowledges the current crisis and its causes then it’s pointless talking about fixing waiting lists.

just another bloody sound bite isn’t it? 🙄

Everanewbie · 04/01/2023 16:34

@BradfordGirl I can't say fairer than that. Has any prime minister in your lifetime met the criteria of not being useless?

MarshaBradyo · 04/01/2023 16:35

BradfordGirl · 04/01/2023 16:32

I would never write off someone as Prime Minister because they are wealthy. I write them off if they are useless though.

Have you ever voted Tory?

And who would you prefer

LittleDeeAndME · 04/01/2023 16:36

I quite like him tbh (best of a bad bunch imo)

L1ttledrummergirl · 04/01/2023 16:36

In my opinion he is a weak minded, money greedy, piece of lowlife who received a fpn for partying during lockdown underlying he believes he is different to the general population and special so the rules don't apply to him.

He is dishonest, shown by his pretence of owning someone else's car and has no understanding of how normal people live- couldn't understand to pay for the petrol he put in the car he pretended was his.

He has little loyalty to this country- green card for USA held while an MP, wife registered as a nom dom hardly screams settled, resident of the UK with a determination to put this countries interests first. His family income includes money from a company (infosis) which I understand is still operating in Russia.

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/04/infosys-still-operating-russia-rishi-sunak-akshata-murty

In short I think he's an arrogant piece of shit who shouldn't have got anywhere near Downing Street as his values are polar opposite to my own and that he has means that something is rotten at the heart of politics for him to have had any support from the conservative party.

This is my opinion, not fact but I await deletion anyway (despite trying to be polite and give reasons for my revulsion to the ideology he seems to stand for).

BradfordGirl · 04/01/2023 16:40

@MarshaBradyo Yes, I am a centrist and a floating voter. At the moment I would vote Labour.

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MarshaBradyo · 04/01/2023 16:42

BradfordGirl · 04/01/2023 16:40

@MarshaBradyo Yes, I am a centrist and a floating voter. At the moment I would vote Labour.

Did you vote for Johnson or other?

Interesting to get a sense of those who did

I’m the same with voting centrally as possible and I don’t rate Starmer at all

NYNewYou · 04/01/2023 16:43

No police if you're in trouble, no ambulance, no doctors, energy price rise, interest rates, supermarket bills have all risen, state education is like hit and miss, teachers are overworked, nurses are overworked, strikes, 2 parents need to work 3 jobs to afford basic living, no social housing left for those in need. Anyone else would like to add to my list? What a absolute shit show this country is, it's absolutely humiliating. Where the fuck is my hard earned tax going? Oh I forgot to mention we have PM that has shown his face 2-3 times since he has been elected. Wtaf

MechanicaHound · 04/01/2023 16:43

Can't stand him. He's a globalist and a technocrat. Lacks any principles as far as I can see.

MechanicaHound · 04/01/2023 16:44

Plus he wasn't elected as PM and we are basically no longer a democracy, it seems to me.

BradfordGirl · 04/01/2023 16:46

@MarshaBradyo I did not vote for Boris Johnson, I voted Lib Dem. TBH I wasn't happy with the choices we had at the last election.

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jgw1 · 04/01/2023 16:53

Whatsfordinnerglutenfree · 04/01/2023 16:02

i think charisma is an over rated trait. I’d prefer someone boring and reliable and honest. Such as Theresa May if Rishi is equally gifted in the sense department he’ll get my vote. He also knows what a woman is.
BJ had plenty of charisma and so does Trump.

I am glad that you raised that he knows what a woman is. I wasn't sure whether or did or not. Now we all know that Boris did as a result of his extensive experience, he also knew how to treat them. Does Rishi's knowledge come from similar experience?

Everanewbie · 04/01/2023 16:54

@L1ttledrummergirl urgh. I think I might be wasting my time here trying to persuade you to give the guy a chance, but I'd like to at least provide some further context to what you have accused him of in your post.

  1. FPN - Yes he did. But if you actually look into it he turned up to a meeting where cake etc. had been brought in for Boris. Hardly partying. And the reports I have read suggest he was shaking his head muttering "FFS" Sounds like he took it on the chin to avoid further embarrassment to Boris. He helped stop a catastrophic 2021 Christmas lockdown too.
  2. He worked in the US for a while. I can't see how this is bad thing.
  3. His wife (not him) receives dividends from a company that she has less than 1% stake in. His wife does not have the casting vote of where the company operates and neither does Rishi. If we drilled down into the underlying assets of our own pension schemes i think we'd all be surprised.
  4. His wife's non-dom status. Again, that's his wife. If we suggested he get his wife in line we'd all be slating him as controlling. Anyhow, Akshata was born in India and her assets are in India. She paid taxes on those assets in India. She's under no obligation to arrange her assets in a manner that sees her pay the most tax. Even if you disagree, its still her, and her money. Not Rishi. She backed down anyway to appease the people who don't seem to understand this.
jgw1 · 04/01/2023 16:56

Everanewbie · 04/01/2023 16:26

Who bails out a poorly performing hedge fund?

The evidence of the past 12 years is that the poorest in society fulfil that role in the name of austerity.

MarshaBradyo · 04/01/2023 16:56

BradfordGirl · 04/01/2023 16:46

@MarshaBradyo I did not vote for Boris Johnson, I voted Lib Dem. TBH I wasn't happy with the choices we had at the last election.

Yeh I was put off Labour hugely last time as many others were

Which Tory(ies) PMs got your vote outside that?

Blair I could vote for but not Starmer