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Views on Rishi Sunak?

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BradfordGirl · 04/01/2023 11:46

My view is he seems to be an incredibly weak and passive Prime Minister who is missing in action while the country faces crisis after crisis. We could have a cardboard cut out as Prime Minister and I doubt we would notice much difference.

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ClaudiusTheGod · 04/01/2023 14:50

ImAvingOops · 04/01/2023 12:03

With each new PM I think it can't be worse than the last one. But then it is!
Comes to something when we start remembering Mrs Thatcher as not that bad, considering!

That’s not what is being said. You can’t interpret ‘worse than Thatcher’ as ‘Thatcher wasn’t that bad’.

MissyB1 · 04/01/2023 14:51

Everanewbie · 04/01/2023 14:22

How do you go about creating a high productivity economy, @BradfordGirl ? I'm curious to know how a Wednesday afternoon mumsnet poster understands how we reach our nirvana, when an Oxford Economics graduate, hedge fund manager, chancellor of the exchequer and prime minister just can't grasp it?

I'm sure you're better than this, but "we don't make anyfink anymore" pub bore arguments are just that.

@Everanewbie I suspect you regret patronising Bradfordgirl now …. 😂

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kirinm · 04/01/2023 14:52

@MarshaBradyo Sunak will have no part to play in reducing inflation. That will happen naturally and he will try and take the credit (and a lot of stupid people will let him).

MarshaBradyo · 04/01/2023 14:53

in terms of our ights and Women's Rights to single sex spaces will probably go completely

Reminding me what the poor women in Scotland are dealing with right now and Labour supported there. Hopefully we’ll not find out how far Starmer will go too.

RaraRachael · 04/01/2023 14:53

The country is on its knees with the NHS in crisis and strikes galore yet his priority is making maths compulsory till 18. When have I ever used algebra, geometry, trigonometry and all the other shite I was taught at school, in my everyday life - never!
Ridiculous idea.

kirinm · 04/01/2023 14:54

@Everanewbie if you are sent to some of the best Schools and universities in the UK, you too could get a first. Actual normal non-billionaire people can get them too. Doesn't mean that you have a clue about how to run a country or anything else other than the subject you read.

MarshaBradyo · 04/01/2023 14:55

kirinm · 04/01/2023 14:52

@MarshaBradyo Sunak will have no part to play in reducing inflation. That will happen naturally and he will try and take the credit (and a lot of stupid people will let him).

I don’t care if people think they have brains the size of planets as is often the case on mn (all others are stupid of course) as long as inflation falls to prediction.

Things will improve hugely as a result.

TooBigForMyBoots · 04/01/2023 15:02

kirinm · 04/01/2023 14:52

@MarshaBradyo Sunak will have no part to play in reducing inflation. That will happen naturally and he will try and take the credit (and a lot of stupid people will let him).

I agree.

dnac · 04/01/2023 15:07

Boosting productivity (which seems to be one solution proposed on this thread and in other commentary to resolve current problems) means that we would ALL need to work longer hours and harder. Much longer and harder than would be comfortable for many. That’s the reality. Yet if the current (or indeed any) government were to put that out there so baldly as a policy there are no shortage of people - including mumsnetters- who would immediately and vociferously object that this ruins family life/personal life/freedoms etc and everything is a pointless drudge. So no prime minister can ever win it seems unless they deliver unsustainable sound bites that cause zero offence and are likely never to be realised. Money does not grow on trees. Taxing the top 1% more or even moderating executive pay packages is not the answer to the country’s economic difficulties. In fact if you remove incentives such as the ability to attain a higher standard of living why would any of us bother? Don’t always rush to blame the Sunak’s and Starmers of the world - the truth is unpalatable to many. The ability to change things lies within us all and a change of national mindset.

GPTec1 · 04/01/2023 15:12

@dnac

Other countries have much higher productivity without working longer and harder.

I don't really see what Sunak has said at all, airy promises with no substance.

He can't control the small boats issue, thats down to France, waiting lists? by how much?

He needs to solve real world issues and the first one is the strikes affecting us all.

Zero mention of brexit, how times have changed from just a couple of years ago.

Sallytobleroney · 04/01/2023 15:14

He's got a patronising manner as if he's talking to 5 year olds. Also has he actually done anything yet?

BradfordGirl · 04/01/2023 15:16

@dnac That is not what productivity means. Highly productive economies have higher wages and better workers rights.
Productivity means the rate of output per unit of input.
So low wage and low skilled workers might work long hours to earn enough but their output is low. Highly skilled workers have a higher productivity rate.

An over simplification but imagine the following workers. Rob who picks cauliflowers from the field. He has to work long hours to make enough money and hit targets for how many cauliflowers to pick. But the amount of money the farmer will make is limited as cauliflowers are relatively cheap. So per hour the profit a farmer makes from growing and getting Rob to pick cauliflowers is relatively low.
Andrew works in robotics building robotic lawnmowers with the help of machinery and his own skilled labour. With his labour the machine churns out 3 robotic lawnmowers an hour. Robotic lawnmowers are expensive anyway, so his boss who owns the factory makes a good amount of money from each lawnmower and specifically from each lawnmower that Andrew makes. The productivity is high.

Andrew can demand higher wages as it is a skilled job that not many people can do and so he has to work less hours than Andrew.

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NellieJean · 04/01/2023 15:17

Perfectly pleasant. Better than his two predecessors. No ideas, vision, plan or programme. Just a wish list that’s hard to argue with, growth, lower inflation etc. In two years time he’ll be back working at a hedge fund.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 04/01/2023 15:17

Boosting productivity (which seems to be one solution proposed on this thread and in other commentary to resolve current problems) means that we would ALL need to work longer hours and harder. Much longer and harder than would be comfortable for many. That’s the reality

No it’s not. It’s been proved time again that presenteeism or excessive overtime reduces output. If Sunak would maybe invest in industry then we could boost productivity.

But as it is we are practically a third world economy based on services. And that’s the problem.

LetsDoThis2023 · 04/01/2023 15:18

Maths for under 18yr olds FFS?!

How about sorting out our health & social care & education systems you utter cunt?! 🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️

jgw1 · 04/01/2023 15:23

Craghopper1 · 04/01/2023 13:13

About as useful as a chocolate teapot.

Nah, I'd enjoy eating a chocolate teapot.

Everanewbie · 04/01/2023 15:25

kirinm · 04/01/2023 14:54

@Everanewbie if you are sent to some of the best Schools and universities in the UK, you too could get a first. Actual normal non-billionaire people can get them too. Doesn't mean that you have a clue about how to run a country or anything else other than the subject you read.

Rishi's wife was the mega rich one. Rishi's own fortune was earned. And good on him. And all the money in the world wouldn't buy me a first from Oxford in Economics. Reckon I could manage a 2-1 in History or something.

jgw1 · 04/01/2023 15:25

Everanewbie · 04/01/2023 13:48

Has and impossible job. We all know he's loaded so every journalist will attempt variations of the pint of milk question and scrutinise the price of his tie. If he tries to empathise with those who are struggling he'll be patronising and if he dodges the question he'll be uninterested. I prefer that we have a prime minister who has been successful in other walks of life than a career politician.

He has a fractured party that he's trying to hold together, plus the fall-out from our monstrous lockdown and Ukraine.

In terms of our situation at present he is the best option. He has an excellent background in economics and seems to sit roughly somewhere in the middle of his party. The Conservatives are hardly going to just say "right, we give up. Labour, you have a go" so we are where we are.

BUT.

Where the hell has he been? Time to deliver. Or at least look like you're trying!

Any idea who was the Chancellor during lockdown and so a senior member of the government who decided that the UKs version would be more costly and less effective than in other countries?
Also any guesses as to who was partying whilst the rest of us followed the rules?

jgw1 · 04/01/2023 15:26

Everanewbie · 04/01/2023 15:25

Rishi's wife was the mega rich one. Rishi's own fortune was earned. And good on him. And all the money in the world wouldn't buy me a first from Oxford in Economics. Reckon I could manage a 2-1 in History or something.

Rishi Sunak also doesn't have a first from Oxford in Economics. He has a degree in the rather different subject of PPE.

Everanewbie · 04/01/2023 15:27

MissyB1 · 04/01/2023 14:51

@Everanewbie I suspect you regret patronising Bradfordgirl now …. 😂

Not really. Glad to get some ideas out to prove OP isn't a pub bore after all but a thinker. Wasn't obvious from the earlier posts.

jgw1 · 04/01/2023 15:27

Sallytobleroney · 04/01/2023 15:14

He's got a patronising manner as if he's talking to 5 year olds. Also has he actually done anything yet?

Of course he hasn't done anything. He can't find a policy that enough of his parliamentary party agree on to take a bill through parliament.

KirstenBlest · 04/01/2023 15:30

Maths for under 18yr olds FFS?!
I don't think it's a bad idea, in itself, but I think it was probably some sort of deadcatting.

As to never using maths in everyday life, you probably do, but don't think you are. Trigonometry is useful in many occupations. Algebra is useful for all sorts of everyday calculations. Understanding probability can help you decide if a risk is worth taking, etc. Numeracy is useful in most occupations.

Everanewbie · 04/01/2023 15:30

jgw1 · 04/01/2023 15:25

Any idea who was the Chancellor during lockdown and so a senior member of the government who decided that the UKs version would be more costly and less effective than in other countries?
Also any guesses as to who was partying whilst the rest of us followed the rules?

Rishi was too late and not vocal enough in opposing lockdown, although better late than never. His support package was amongst the most generous in the world and saved many businesses that would have collapsed. Personally, I think he should have resigned in November 2020 when the second lockdown was enacted, but the second best choice was to mitigate the financial catastrophe of lockdown. Now we're dealing with the aftermath.

socialmedia23 · 04/01/2023 15:33

Everanewbie · 04/01/2023 15:25

Rishi's wife was the mega rich one. Rishi's own fortune was earned. And good on him. And all the money in the world wouldn't buy me a first from Oxford in Economics. Reckon I could manage a 2-1 in History or something.

I am not sure what fortune he earned? He seems to have worked for three years in Goldman and then as a portfolio manager. There are loads of people in London who fit that description. They also mostly got firsts from top universities including Oxbridge. I wouldn't say that makes you PM material, just upper middle class.

If you look up his beneficial interests, the only thing he owns is a flat in Kensington which he bought as a first year analyst in Goldman with some help from Daddy. Rishi married well which i am not sure is an achievement. In my estimation, he is kinda like Melania Trump (who was well to do in her own right as a top model in New York).