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Rich in law's ruin Xmas spirit with stinginess: Coping strategies please.

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ChristmasJoysuckers · 03/12/2022 08:14

Growing up we were not poor but certainly cash poor for many years and yet DP decorated the house beautifully, good music, a feast of food and some presents. Nothing excessive or wow but it was all wonderful.
Eg a book about insects, monopoly game and a Barbie and some chocolate and a basic stocking with pencils etc.

It all felt different, special and grand. Since then I've had very frugal xmasses in all sorts of reduced circumstance places with no gift's, basic food etc but the feeling was cheery and happy.

I can't get my head around in law's version of Xmas and my dp are overseas and we see them at other times of the year but not Xmas.

In law's are v v comfortably off and I actually find going there depressing.
They seem to want everything they do to be "better" and we have to admire mils tree like it's the best ( it isn't).
She will serve Sainsbury's canapés but makes out like she's really spoiling us ( I've seen her really pull stop's out for business clients and she would make stuff or buy Waitrose/ m and s).
I'm very happy with Sainsbury's or Tesco party food and serve it to my guest mixed in with homemade or something higher end but I don't sort of serve it as if I'm doing my guests a massive favour.

She keeps to a very strict budget of I reckon between 20 / 50 pounds. I'm very grateful for anyone buying me a gift but it sort of ruins it when she proudly states how she got our gifts reduced from x or 3 for 2 Argos etc.

She always refers back to how she saved money on them , eg one year a shaving travel kit for DH and a similar set from boots for me and she proudly tells us how it was buy one get one half price.

For the DC one was given a sticker book with some sticker sheets missing and she says she got a reduction because of that.

She spends far more on her own parents and sister and I'm sure her nieces and nephews.

When we eat there she will again look sad and say how she had to buy us food from a wholesaler or how she got it reduced.

I've seen her spend on herself though and buys the finest clothes and food for herself.

Of course it's her business what she does with her money but what I mean she she can splurge where she wants too.

When we give her and fil gift's they are very comfortable to say what they don't like but we are on a truly tight budget.

It's the tone and atmosphere that gets me ,there is no music I'm very easy to please actually and have spent very lean xmasses for many years. I would be very happy at in law's if I didn't feel I had to profusely thank mil for gift's she's literally brought straining every sinew to save money on. Praise her to the high heaven's for basic supermarket party food?
The spirit of Xmas doesn't seem to be there at all. I think money is a huge theme with them anyway, but it feels like they are always modelling how to save money?
DH and I have a tight budget all year, we have too and at Xmas I like to feel comfortable, we save for Xmas and I don't want to talk about saving money or be made to feel guilty because we went for a nicer turkey etc?

How do I get through it? It feels totally against Xmas?

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Zipps · 03/12/2022 09:24

I do know what you mean about the food when people buy the cheapest stuff but Sainsbury's aren't too bad. However it all sounds joyless. Your Mil is a Penny pincher except when it comes to herself. The point is they don't need to be that frugal, I would find it irritating hearing about bargain presents with bits missing, that's just cheap. I wouldn't be spending Christmas with them.

DownToTheSeaAgain · 03/12/2022 09:25

Just go. Say thank you for the lovely food and drink. Say thank you for the presents. Then go home. It is only one day.

ChristmasJoysuckers · 03/12/2022 09:25

Year's ago I offered to bring some food as well, help out a bit and she viewed that as a dreadul idea.

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Sugargliderwombat · 03/12/2022 09:25

So she loves a bargain, I don't get the problem with it ! Who cares what gifts you get, if they're not good enough just don't bother with presents.

Allsnotwell · 03/12/2022 09:26

I’ve seen a video post recently where it refers to the difference between the classes - and working class always mention money!

‘lovely t-shirt’
‘£4.50 Primark special’

As opposed to ‘Thank you’ type response!!

Maybe mention that to her?

Or have a serious infection Christmas Eve?

ChristmasJoysuckers · 03/12/2022 09:27

I honestly like the Xmas tapas food , esp Tesco ones last few years running.

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PiggyInTheLidl · 03/12/2022 09:27

ChristmasJoysuckers · 03/12/2022 09:22

Mirabai what am I supposed to say though when she happily says how she got my gift on offer?

It puts me in an awkward position because I feel like being polite and saying " what a bargain mil, I'm so glad you were able to make considerable savings whilst buying my gift"

But I feel that's undignified to myself to congratulate mil on the savings she made buying my gift?

Say “haha I would have asked for two had I known you were so good at getting a bargain!”

ShaunaTheSheep · 03/12/2022 09:27

What a shame you're all going to catch Covid in approximately 3 weeks!

Whowhatwherewhenwhynow · 03/12/2022 09:28

ChristmasJoysuckers · 03/12/2022 09:03

When we have tried not to go it really has caused upset.

DH granny ringing him asking him why,sister pushing him...lots of comments about how men don't bother with their own parents when they marry etc.

I wouldn’t go. I’d stay and have Christmas at home on it own.

regarding comments from family, so what. Come up with a stock response and keep repeating it. “ we’ve decided to do a quiet Christmas at home this year, we would like to see you over new year if your available though”.

if you can’t manage to do this then I’d suggest you and/or your husband has issues with assertiveness and boundaries. It’s pretty miserable to do things you don’t want to because of family pressure.

Nogreens · 03/12/2022 09:28

You are you husband are adults. If you are not happy but choose to go back every year because you don't want to upset DH's mummy, that that is the Christmas you deserve. Put up or shut up.

stuntbubbles · 03/12/2022 09:29

Don’t go. Let the massive upset happen. Who cares, really? They’re causing the massive upset to strong-arm you into going.

I don’t go to my PIL’s for Christmas ever because it’s equally joyless in a different way: no tree, presents bought in the regular supermarket shop and not wrapped, just handed over in a carrier bag at some point in the day – and I don’t mean a big superstore supermarket where you might get a vase or something, I mean truly random things like a jar of own-brand peanut butter. (They’re not poor.) Dinner is just a packet roast. It’s barely even lip service to the day.

frozendaisy · 03/12/2022 09:30

When she brings anything up go over the top cheerful and say "excellent merry Christmas Susan" swing of Bailey's and repeat

geraniumsandsunshine · 03/12/2022 09:31

I think maybe you just don't like them? Xmas somewhere else is hard as it's a personal thing. If you don't have children, don't go! If you do, how does she treat them as that would be more important to me.

shard5 · 03/12/2022 09:32

Why don't you suggest you'll see them on boxing day this year. That way you can do your own Christmas day but still see them fairly close to the big day or change things up and say you'll do new years day with them?
You are adults, you need to take control. Sure they'll try and manipulate you but stand firm and show your dh what a Christmas at home would be like.

geraniumsandsunshine · 03/12/2022 09:32

Sorry I forgot about the sticker book so she doesn't even treat the kids well.

ChristmasJoysuckers · 03/12/2022 09:32

Yes but we either go and have a miserable joy sucking time that we are forced to show ott gratitude for or don't go and get harangued and guiited by them all which is isn't fun either.

I'd love to say we don't want to put upon them and they seem hard up so we don't want to put them under financial stress,🤣

That would be perfect in my eyes because they like to show us how wealthy they are and clever with money whilst exerting the parsimony on us.

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Mirabai · 03/12/2022 09:33

ChristmasJoysuckers · 03/12/2022 09:22

Mirabai what am I supposed to say though when she happily says how she got my gift on offer?

It puts me in an awkward position because I feel like being polite and saying " what a bargain mil, I'm so glad you were able to make considerable savings whilst buying my gift"

But I feel that's undignified to myself to congratulate mil on the savings she made buying my gift?

You just say thank you and laugh with DH on the way home about their gaucheries.

I don’t really understand what the problem is. I would feel better rather than worse if someone got a gift for me that they didn’t pay full price for. Who doesn’t love a Crabtree and Evelyn set knocked down in TKMaxx?

My mum got me 3 shower gels for my birthday from a relatively expensive brand and I was relieved rather than put out when she admitted that it was a 3-for-1 offer.

Perhaps MIL or FIL were poor growing up and they have the habits of frugality even though they’re ok now.

picklemewalnuts · 03/12/2022 09:33

Fight fire with fire and have a good time.

Bring an extra bottle 'so we don't have to ration ourselves'.

Hand over your gift to her with a fun comment 'no special offer on this one, I had to pay full price', or 'Got a bargain here, found it in a charity shop'.

Bring a rug 'I hate being chilly at Christmas'.

Basically lean into it, make a game of it. Laugh and say 'only joking'!

Or, sit sobbing and say how much you miss your family at Christmas- we used to have wine with every course, and my mum was such a generous gift giver!!

Make it Christmas your way, stop playing along with her games and make up your own.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 03/12/2022 09:33

ChristmasJoysuckers · 03/12/2022 09:22

Mirabai what am I supposed to say though when she happily says how she got my gift on offer?

It puts me in an awkward position because I feel like being polite and saying " what a bargain mil, I'm so glad you were able to make considerable savings whilst buying my gift"

But I feel that's undignified to myself to congratulate mil on the savings she made buying my gift?

She’s proud of her money saving skills. The correct answer is to admire them while saying you would never have guessed it was cheap. The best thing of all is when you can say that you saw one of those for sale at ££££ somewhere else.

Nosleepforthismum · 03/12/2022 09:34

ChristmasJoysuckers · 03/12/2022 09:22

Mirabai what am I supposed to say though when she happily says how she got my gift on offer?

It puts me in an awkward position because I feel like being polite and saying " what a bargain mil, I'm so glad you were able to make considerable savings whilst buying my gift"

But I feel that's undignified to myself to congratulate mil on the savings she made buying my gift?

You say “Wow, what a bargain. Thank you so much, I love it. Anyone for more champagne?”

It’s just the quirks of your in-laws, don’t let it ruin your Christmas but can you not offer to bring the canapés this year to “help”, bring a speaker for your Christmas music and bring the biggest, fluffiest Christmas jumpers if the heating is an issue. I think you need to change your mindset and just enjoy having family all together which is what Christmas is actually about.

I also have some sympathy with your in-laws not making their own canapés on Christmas Day. I love going all out on dinner parties and will attempt to make everything from scratch but Christmas is different as there is normally so much extra to do if people are staying over, wrapping presents, planning food for at least a couple of days etc. Your PIL are probably just wanting to enjoy the day with you.

Calphurnia88 · 03/12/2022 09:34

ChristmasJoysuckers · 03/12/2022 09:22

Mirabai what am I supposed to say though when she happily says how she got my gift on offer?

It puts me in an awkward position because I feel like being polite and saying " what a bargain mil, I'm so glad you were able to make considerable savings whilst buying my gift"

But I feel that's undignified to myself to congratulate mil on the savings she made buying my gift?

You smile, say 'ooh well done you!' or (even more brief) 'nice!' and move on.

Or are you seriously saying that the conversation doesn't move on until you've provided a full and frank analysis of your MIL money saving skills? Because that would be weird, but I suspect isn't actually the case.

You clearly don't enjoy yourself there, so don't go. Or if that's going to rock the boat too much, then turn up with a bottle of bubbly, some M&S canapés and a Christmas CD.

Crikeyalmighty · 03/12/2022 09:34

I think you sound as money obsessed as they do OP- just in a different way. We are all different and you sound as though you have a bit of a chip on your shoulder. Yes it might annoy me a bit but not enough to get wound up about it. Most of us have had dull days at relatives at Xmas time who do things in different ways .

BoxOfCats · 03/12/2022 09:34

They actually sound pretty manipulative if it caused so much "upset" when you didn't go. Especially if they used other family members to further try to manipulate you and guilt you into complying. Honestly, they sound quite controlling. Even more reason just to say no, let them get on with their histrionics like a bunch of tantrumming toddlers, and then enjoy your own Christmas at home.

Shinyandnew1 · 03/12/2022 09:35

They sound hard work! I wouldn’t be fawning over their tree and decorations though-I wouldn’t comment at all!

I think if you have to go, I’d encourage DH to gently laugh with/at his mum (only he will be able to get away with this!) when she tells you about her bargain buys and call her Scrooge!

Can’t you host Christmas at yours? Serve stuff from Aldi! If they moan-don’t invite them the next year.

ChristmasJoysuckers · 03/12/2022 09:36

Mirabai

My dm always got what she could afford whether that was reduced or not. But she just gave it with love and I thanked her for it.
Df is notorious for last minute gifts, eg he once gave me an m and s man's dressing gown, we all laughed and it's fine!
It was given with good grace.

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