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If you had a chance to vote again for Brexit would it be leave or remain?

314 replies

Stormyscratchywindows · 17/11/2022 14:36

Just saw a poll which said Public support for Brexit is at an all-time low, with one in five Brexiteers now saying they think it was wrong to vote to leave the EU. If you had a chance to vote again how would you vote - trying to make it a goady thread so feel free not to mention if you were remain or leave last time.

news.sky.com/story/poll-reveals-public-support-for-brexit-at-all-time-low-12749439

For me - I'd vote remain

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MrsSkylerWhite · 17/11/2022 19:27

Remain, as previously (x8 in our family)

IntentionalError · 17/11/2022 19:28

I would still vote Remain, although I now accept that some sort of massive populist revolt / uprising about uncontrolled mass immigration was inevitable.

If it hadn’t been Farage & Brexit, it would have taken some other form, eg an insurgent English nationalist party winning hundreds of seats at a General Election.

PumpkinPatchy · 17/11/2022 19:29

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Clavinova · 17/11/2022 19:29

TooBigForMyBoots
I hate the division and mistrust in "experts" that it created.

Ah, but will Nicola Sturgeon take any notice of "the experts" ?

www.cityam.com/price-of-independence-scots-warned-breaking-away-from-uk-may-mean-20-per-cent-cut-in-income/

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/03/independence-could-cost-scotlands-economy-11bn-a-year-forecast-suggests

Justbetweenus · 17/11/2022 19:29

Remain still. Most people I know voted remain but sister and BIL voted leave. Both have since changed their minds and regret it.

Runestone · 17/11/2022 19:31

Remain again

MarshaBradyo · 17/11/2022 19:31

I voted remain but I’d want actual information on the two sides

It’d require a symposium level with economists, climate change scientists and people explaining their vision if they believe in Brexit

It still would feel uncertain. I’d probably vote remain again without more info

BakedRightOff · 17/11/2022 19:34

Voted Remain the first time and would do it again. I had some sympathy with Leave voters on a couple of areas and of course the EU isn’t perfect by any stretch but I felt too much was unknown and ultimately given how the world is it would be better to be in the EU.

Exasperatednow · 17/11/2022 19:35

Remain (again)

balalake · 17/11/2022 19:49

Remain (again).

Think how different things would have been if it had been a remain vote, and David Cameron had continued as PM until say 2019, replaced by George Osborne or maybe Theresa May.

We'd still have a Tory government (no chance Jeremy Corbyn would have won), though the economy would be in a less bad shape, and at least 20,000 fewer people would have died from Covid than did under Boris Johnson's indecision.

carefulcalculator · 17/11/2022 19:53

I'd vote remain, Brexit was a shit idea and is proving to be an even shitter reality.

Figgygal · 17/11/2022 19:54

Remain again

Clavinova · 17/11/2022 19:55

Topseyt123
there is absolutely no realistic solution to the Northern Ireland question that doesn't trash the Good Friday Agreement

Yesterday -

Rishi Sunak has told President Biden he will reach a deal with the EU on Northern Ireland by April.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/northern-ireland-protocol-deal-in-place-by-april-sunak-tells-biden-x9f3cbf0p

katenutzs · 17/11/2022 19:58

I’d vote the same as last time.

AuntieEntity · 17/11/2022 20:06

Haha, Clav's here I see. As reliable as death and taxes.

I would vote remain, as I did before.

Dreikanter · 17/11/2022 20:34

Clavinova · 17/11/2022 19:55

Topseyt123
there is absolutely no realistic solution to the Northern Ireland question that doesn't trash the Good Friday Agreement

Yesterday -

Rishi Sunak has told President Biden he will reach a deal with the EU on Northern Ireland by April.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/northern-ireland-protocol-deal-in-place-by-april-sunak-tells-biden-x9f3cbf0p

A man with a plan. Goody. Looking forward to the details.

Brexit seems to have done a great job of increasing the chances of reunification in Ireland, which I’m sure twill make the DUP so proud (given their unstinting support of Brexit, as opposed to the NI population).

We are all still remain, but as DH and the DCs are already benefitting from the work opportunities of still being EU citizens, I can live with the consequences of Brexit.

Clavinova · 17/11/2022 20:48

balalake
We'd still have a Tory government (no chance Jeremy Corbyn would have won), though the economy would be in a less bad shape, and at least 20,000 fewer people would have died from Covid than did under Boris Johnson's indecision

We may have joined the EU's vaccine scheme and/or not developed the Oxford AstraZeneca vaccine under a different prime minister though. Boris Johnson was criticised for personally appointing Kate Bingham to head Britain’s vaccine task force; "She’s a venture capitalist with no public health experience, married to a Conservative minister" said the Good Law Project - they even named Kate Bingham in legal action against the government (but later withdrew her name for obvious reasons). At least 20,000 extra people were saved in early 2021 because of our fast vaccine rollout.

Angela Merkel stumbled on vaccines -

At the start of the pandemic last year, everything was in place for Merkel to handle it with success.
Germany – a country with a global reputation for efficiency – held the EU Council Presidency and in Ursula von der Leyen, a former German defence minister, it had an ally at the top of the European Commission.
When it came time to secure vaccines, Merkel insisted that the EU should focus on procuring shots as a bloc instead of Germany and other member states going it alone. But the EU’s rollout has been slow and plagued by delays.

edition.cnn.com/2021/03/07/europe/germany-vaccine-disaster-grm-intl/index.html

MadAndGlad · 17/11/2022 20:49

Remain of course!

Clavinova · 17/11/2022 20:50

Brexit seems to have done a great job of increasing the chances of reunification in Ireland

That would solve a problem - I have no objections.

Topseyt123 · 17/11/2022 20:58

Clavinova · 17/11/2022 19:55

Topseyt123
there is absolutely no realistic solution to the Northern Ireland question that doesn't trash the Good Friday Agreement

Yesterday -

Rishi Sunak has told President Biden he will reach a deal with the EU on Northern Ireland by April.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/northern-ireland-protocol-deal-in-place-by-april-sunak-tells-biden-x9f3cbf0p

It's behind a pay wall so can't see it. However, a border has to go somewhere if Northern Ireland cannot remain in the Customs Union, and whether it is in the middle of the Irish Sea (as currently) or on land, it trashes the Good Friday Agreement.

Clavinova · 17/11/2022 21:07

Topseyt123
However, a border has to go somewhere if Northern Ireland cannot remain in the Customs Union, and whether it is in the middle of the Irish Sea (as currently) or on land, it trashes the Good Friday Agreement

I'm off to watch Matt Hancock now but how does this joint operation not 'trash' the Good Friday Agreement if it involves checks on the border?

Officers from the Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI) and An Garda Síochána (Irish police) have been searching for drugs and illegal fuel, stopping vehicles travelling in both directions between Belfast and Dublin.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-57263021

Theradioisoncoco · 17/11/2022 21:51

Remain and remain again forever and a day

Antigonads · 17/11/2022 22:12

@balalake

How can you possibly know that fewer people would have died from Covid with Cameron in the hot seat?

DublinFemale · 17/11/2022 22:37

Two police services working together to try to limit smuggling is not in direct conflict of the good Friday agreement to a hard border on the Island of Ireland.

Now I was not physically there at the time of the checks but I am very certain there was no customs border as in a physical hard border during the checks. I bas that purely on how road checks are done by An Garda Siochana all over Ireland.

As for RS all of a sudden telling JB he was on board with working with EU/Ireland try to reach a compromise is really not surprising. JB is very proud of his Irish roots.

Do I believe Westminster will negotiate and stick to agreement? Most definitely not, the best way to guess future behaviour , look at past behaviour.

DowningStreetParty · 17/11/2022 22:40

Brexit is terrible for consumers and for businesses. It’s contributing very strongly (along with other factors) to sending the UK economy to absolute shit. Apart from that I hate how it breaks away from the ethos of solidarity with Europe that we all really still need. All of that’s very sad and worrying for the future.

It’s been interesting looking at Black Friday stuff online today. Some sites say it quite upfront eg ‘due to Brexit if you’re ordering from the UK your delivery time is going to be [way longer than everyone else’s]’

I think that kind of practical effect should be put as a label on everything we buy or added to all shops’ webpages for the next few years, to help us all quantify what effect Brexit it is having on our daily lives and if that’s what we’re actually happy with.

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