If you had a chance to vote again for Brexit would it be leave or remain?

[Stormyscratchywindows]

Just saw a poll which said Public support for Brexit is at an all-time low, with one in five Brexiteers now saying they think it was wrong to vote to leave the EU. If you had a chance to vote again how would you vote - trying to make it a goady thread so feel free not to mention if you were remain or leave last time.

news.sky.com/story/poll-reveals-public-support-for-brexit-at-all-time-low-12749439

For me - I'd vote remain

I also wish that every UK political party would have to set out a clear line on whether their view is that we are better in or better out of the EU, properly articulated well in time for the next general election and based on up to date economic forecasts about the Brexit that we already have now.

Then we could all treat the election as a referendum on rejoining (obviously I am making a massive leap here that the EU would ever even entertain that) with proper time to think it through and to be debating it together and just being much more informed about what Brexit actually is and what it actually involves.

Instead of that shameful load of lies printed on a bus and nonsense slogans like Strong and Stable, Red White and Blue Brexit, whatever other crap we were given, and considering that the actual Brexit we have, has anyway changed form again and again since 2016 under all the different Tory PMs.

Your kids had to get passports to fight to the death because of Brexit? 😱

Remain (again)

My previously leave voting in laws would also now vote remain but blame their vote last time on the left wing media! My SIL was quite shocked when we explained why the Telegraph is commonly known as the Torygraph!

Remain then
remain now

That's not really a surprise. According to reports, only a quarter of people with a degree voted to leave, and I suspect Mumsnet is populated with a higher than average percentage of people with a degree

I'm sure you're right that Mumsnet users are relatively likely to have a degree. However, if most degree holders voted Remain, this could be due to the fact that young people were more likely to vote Remain, and as it happens, young people are also more likely to have a degree. However, this doesn't tell the full story, and doesn't mean young people are more intelligent or educated than older people. It simply means that the names of higher education establishments and qualifications have changed, so that nowadays, more of them are called universities and degrees.

When the older generations were young, only about 7-10% of the population got a degree. Then along came Tony Blair, who decided 50 per cent of people ought to go to university, so the goalposts were moved. Polytechnics and vocational colleges were re-named as universities, and the qualifications re-named degrees. Someone who qualified as a nurse or a teacher years ago would have received a certificate which was not called a degree at the time. The equivalent qualifications for these jobs are now called degrees.

Remain again

I voted Remain before and would do so again, but I don't see any way there will be another chance to vote on it in my lifetime.

I hope the next generation are given the opportunity to vote again at some point.

This is where a totally amoral Government takes you.

It's easy to think these people are incompetent morons, but they're not. They know exactly what they are doing. The only mistake Truss made was that she truly believed that she would get away with it, that the public are idiots, and that they would buy the bollocks about 'growth'. Now they are trying the 'we've maxed out our credit card' bullshit. And all the while, the poor pay, while the rich get richer.

Every time the Tories are in government, every time, we see the same results. Walk down any high street. Broken pavements, potholed roads. Litter swirls around, filling shop doorways, landing on the human wreckage that calls that doorway home. Half the shops are boarded up, the other half comprise charity shops, betting shops and fast-food shops. We are rapidly becoming a third world country with dilapidated services and crumbling infra-structure as the Tories turn us into a giant shithole. And it's happening under the nastiest, cruellest and most dishonest government I have ever had to endure.

12 years they've been in power, 12 years, and yet they continuously talk as if they've only just been elected. Every public service is now on the point of collapse. We see life expectancy going into reverse and rising infant mortality rates. Tory policies towards the poor, sick and disabled have been directly responsible for thousands of deaths. Millions now wait for health care, as the Tories trash our NHS, the last great bastion of social welfare left in this country, whilst a country as rich as ours should be absolutely ashamed that millions of people need food banks, whilst millions more have been made even poorer by the cuts to welfare.

Yet, do we ever hear an apology? Do we ever see anyone held to account? No? Of course not. This is Tory England. No wrongdoing, no guilt, no remorse, no morals, no ethics, no scruples, no conscience.
And most important of all, no consequences.
The bottom line is they don't give a shit about the poor, they don't give a shit about this country, they don't give a shit about destroying our services.
This so-called 'patriotic party' would sell this country to anyone who would pay them enough.

They are beneath contempt. And every single one who votes for them, should hang their heads in shame.

I voted Remain last time, and would again. However, I'd then campaign for huge reform of the EU. I was a bit of a hand-on-nose, lesser-of-two-evils type of remain voter. There are many things I dislike about the EU, including the common agricultural policy. I'm very left-wing, and do see it as a capitalist cartel in many ways. However, I felt the Leave campaign and the vision of Brexit they proposed was even worse! It didn't feel like the right time to leave, for me personally. I also loathed the xenophobia, which would never be a part of any kind of Brexit I could support.
I get why some people voted Leave, and I don't resent them. There were so many lies told.
Truth be told, I'm vastly more worried about climate change than Brexit. The climate crisis keeps me awake at night; Brexit never has, apart from that fateful night in 2016 when I stayed awake as the results poured in and the verdict announced - shudder, I'll never forget that moment...

Voted leave, would now vote remain, Brexit was the nationwide version of being miss sold PPI, we were promised everything & gained nothing except the country going down a black hole of debt, red tape & misery.

I really respect and appreciate your honesty. Every division in society gets worse when people get defensive and entrenched. I am a secondary teacher, and think long and hard how to teach students to listen to the other side and consider changing their minds. It goes against our nature - but it is the only way forward for us as a community with so much going wrong-

I am not expressing myself very well! I am trying to say we need more people with the emotional intelligence to be able to look impartially at evidence and decide they were wrong. But I don't know how to help children develop this. I don't think I have this level of EI myself, much of the time

Fraser Nelson yesterday on Twitter - UK to have the worst economic decline in Europe next year, and by some margin.

@Clavinova

This is well-explained. It was weapons-grade lying, the personalised FB messages with reasons to vote Brexit was well-executed and effective - and all bullshit.

It isn't like lottery numbers though, they are entirely unpredictable. No-one knows what they will be, but the Brexit shit show was entirely predictable. Every bit of it was obvious, but the turkeys refused to listen to sense and voted for Christmas in a state of jingoistic madness and now we are all fucked. People who had enough common sense to see the obvious consequences are entitled to be pissed off.

Currently only 19% of people under 50 think we were right to leave. I think if the UK can't find some magic economic recovery path the pressure to rejoin will grow. I think I could see a vote in my lifetime. Demographics affect politics in big ways, but slowly.

Fucking over 4 nations is nothing to be proud of, or happy about.

Remain again. But I'm not sure it would have been a happy outcome if Remain had just squeaked it. Forage was never going to shut up, ever. The EU is a tough call sometimes and extremely far from perfection, and we would have had buyer's remorse a lot.

In terms of Brexit benefits - I'm a remainder and I can see one. A lot of leave voters in my view voted leave fundamentally because wages were so low, and the EU felt like a boss's cartel. Thee was racism in that as well, abd I heard that directly from a Leave voter's mouth - not pleasant - but some of it was economics.

Well, now there is a labour shortage, a huge upward pressure on wages and it's a candidate's market. The fact that the economy is trashed and inflation rampant and markets screwed and some industries will die - that was obvious too, so the benefits overall won't be there. But it would be disingenuous to say that those things people wanted haven't happened.

Unless they have had a lobotomy recently I can't see how anyone would justify voting leave again.

Brexit has been a total disaster.

Artygirlghost · Today 08:24
Unless they have had a lobotomy recently I can't see how anyone would justify voting leave again.

Brexit has been a total disaster“

But …….. Sovereignty!

The thing that bugs me is if a no vote is unsuccessful they can come back and say things have changed, democracy is evolving and so on.

Once you go it’s more final.

We wouldn’t know for sure what the vote would be today unless it was run. We seem far from that with both parties.

Your 'however' makes no sense. You do, at least at the moment, get an opportunity to vote against the Conservatives. Former voters get to change their mind based on the results of their previous vote. That's democracy.

Yes exactly this. I'm not revelling in the misery it has caused, I don't want anyone to have to "admit" they were wrong or anything of the sort. I just wish it hadn't happened and that so many people were taken in with nebulous ideas of "having our country back" (from what? From who??).

The thing that makes it worse for me is that the shysters who pushed for this are now hiding behind "it's the pandemic/ war that's causing rhis austerity". It's certainly exacerbating it but Brexit definitely isn't helping.

Remain

I voted leave but wanted to stay.

I would have only voted to stay if there was a cast iron guarantee that no new countries would be joining.