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Ukraine Invasion: Part 35

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MagicFox · 12/11/2022 16:40

We're still here, on 35 πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

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Greenshake · 14/11/2022 09:24

And even better, the Russians are apparently saying it’s β€œfake news”!!!

Igotjelly · 14/11/2022 09:31

Greenshake · 14/11/2022 09:20

Now this is very interesting and my mind is running all over the place!

According to Russian media this is 'fake news' Hmm Who knows what the fuck's going on Grin

Igotjelly · 14/11/2022 09:31

@Greenshake cross post Grin

Greenshake · 14/11/2022 09:36

Hold up - according to SKY it might actually BE fake news! Apparently a video of Lavrov on the hotel balcony has been posted dismissing the claims.

RedToothBrush · 14/11/2022 09:44

Zelensky in Kherson today.

If it is fake news about Lavrov then it fooled PA Media which is a bit embarrassing!!!

Igotjelly · 14/11/2022 09:52

Some reports seem to be that he was briefly taken to hospital but then promptly discharged.

Zakharova describing it as "aerobatics of fakes" whatever that means.

Greenshake · 14/11/2022 10:07

Zakharova reminds me of that crazed North Korean news anchor woman.

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 14/11/2022 10:12

⚑️Mykolaiv Oblast Governor calls on businesses to return
(kyivindependent.com/news-feed/mykolaiv-oblast-governor-calls-on-businesses-to-return-as-russian-attacks-decrease)as Russian attacks decrease
Mykolaiv Oblast Governor Vitaliy Kim said that the restoration of the war-scarred region began now that the danger of missile attacks has significantly decreased.

On Nov. 14, Kherson Oblast Governor Yaroslav Yanushevych asked people to avoid gathering in the central part of liberated Kherson as sappers need to demine it first.
"The enemy has mined nearly everything (in Kherson). Please, avoid crowded places," Yanushevych said. (but oh, the Russians care about civilians' safety so much, they say so so often)

‼️Russians have even mined bodies: the State Emergency Service asks not to go to the liberated territories without permission.
"There are many examples when the enemy mined residential buildings, civilian cars and even the bodies of the dead". (fucking ANIMALS. I wasn't sure whether to believe the story of the dead mother who they mined, but now I do)

⚑️ Ukrainian intelligence: Russia faces medicine shortages due to sanctions.
Russia's Health Ministry has issued an order obliging all country's regions to create a stockpile of medicines for four months, according to the Defense Ministry's Intelligence Directorate.
Russian surgeons face a decrease in medicine supply, which affects the medical industry and force them to indefinitely postpone operations, it reported.

⚑️ Wallace: Russia may use more 'cannon fodder' in war against Ukraine.
British Defense Secretary Ben Wallace applauded the "remarkable capability" of Ukraine's Armed Forces but said it is important not to "underestimate" Moscow.
"History will remind you that Russia can be brutal to their own. And if they need more cannon fodder, that is what they'll be doing," Wallace said.

⚑️ Kherson Oblast governor urges civilians to evacuate due to potential Russian strikes.
On Nov. 13, Kherson Oblast Governor Yaroslav Yanushevych asked civilians to evacuate to safer regions as Russia could retaliate against people living in the part of Kherson Oblast that was liberated by the Ukrainian army on Nov. 11.

⚑️ General Staff: Russia amasses troops near Melitopol in Zaporizhzhia Oblast.
Russian forces are bringing more troops and building fortifications around Melitopol in Zaporizhzhia Oblast, the General Staff reported on Nov. 13.
⚑️Mayor: Russians turn occupied Melitopol into military base.

⚑️Southern Command: Ukrainian army liberates almost 180 settlements in the south within a week.

⚑️Zelensky: Russians committed same atrocities in Kherson Oblast as in other occupied regions.
In a video message, President Volodymyr Zelensky said more than 400 Russian war crimes cases have already been documented as police continue finding bodies of civilians and soldiers.

⚑️Reuters: Zelensky visits liberated Kherson.
President Volodymyr Zelensky is visiting the city of Kherson, according to a Reuters witness. Kherson was liberated by Ukrainian troops on Nov. 11.

⚑️Mobile communication is being restored in Kherson, - Deputy Head of the OP Kyrylo Tymoshenko.
LTE from Kyivstar is working in the city center on the square near the Regional State Administration.

πŸ€”Senior Indonesian politicians, including President Joko Widodo, are calling on Western leaders to make concessions on their criticism of Russia to avoid the G20 summit in Bali this week ending without a joint statement.
This was reported by Politico.

❗️CNN and SkyNews journalists were stripped of accreditation for reporting from Kherson
The official Facebook page of the General Staff posted a message that "a number of media representatives who violated the rules of work in the area of hostilities, revoked their work permits, and their press cards were recognized as invalid".

⚑️Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov taken to the hospital after arriving for the G-20 summit in Bali, Indonesian officials say.

(lower Russian losses today. The reports of Ukraine hitting the withdrawing troops were probably inaccurate.)

Ukraine Invasion: Part 35
Ukraine Invasion: Part 35
blueshoes · 14/11/2022 10:20

MMBaranova · 13/11/2022 18:54

Blueshoes: How does she and her mother live and keep warm if they don't have a livelihood. Is it humanitarian handouts. Sorry if this is a stupid question. I cannot imagine life under those circumstances.

If you remember our house had bomb damage at the beginning of the war and eventually we moved out. We live in my mother's friends’ apartment. Sometimes they turn on the generator for literally an hour a day to somehow warm up. In terms of food, the shops don’t work at all, there is a man who brings food once a week and you can buy it from him as well as humanitarian aid.

@MMBaranova those are harsh conditions. It must be hard to endure. Thanks for explaining.

MissConductUS · 14/11/2022 10:48

notimagain · 14/11/2022 08:22

This is one for @MissConductUS but just an observation on that image and some others doing the rounds...

I think anything that's as portable as these "pill boxes".. (almost seem to be being delivered by the lorry load) almost certainly won't offer much protection against anything other than small arms fire, and maybe not even that in some circumstances.

Probably useful for keeping conscripts morale up (initially until reality dawns) and the rain off but other than that?

They would hold up fairly well against NATO standard 5.56 or 7.62mm rounds. They would not survive sustained heavy machine gun fire with 12.7mm or 50 caliber rounds. My choice would be a low-end anti-tank weapon like an AT4. Because the positions are static and the Russians aren't trying to conceal them, the UAF will likely attack them with artillery fire, which they will not survive.

As you say, real fortifications are built on-site to a much higher standard, not trucked in. Fortifications like this must be under observation and fire control to be effective. You can't just put a soldier or two in them and move on to another sector saying, "Well, that's covered.". So the UAF will take them out and move past them. They'll be speed bumps, nothing more.

XanaduKira · 14/11/2022 11:04

Thank you for the new thread.

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 14/11/2022 11:49

Zelensky visiting Kherson this morning.
Seems a bit too risky to me, what with mines, potentially Russian soldiers in civilian clothing and Russian missiles in range. I hope people posting footage on line waited till he'd left the area.

twitter.com/glasnostgone/status/1592111246614360065?s=61&t=2rdCHRmeNvAiCBVYeqsxqg

twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1592090565142790144?s=61&t=2rdCHRmeNvAiCBVYeqsxqg

Ukraine Invasion: Part 35
Fladdermus · 14/11/2022 11:55

❗️CNN and SkyNews journalists were stripped of accreditation for reporting from Kherson
The official Facebook page of the General Staff posted a message that "a number of media representatives who violated the rules of work in the area of hostilities, revoked their work permits, and their press cards were recognized as invalid".

Revoked by whom?

notimagain · 14/11/2022 12:01

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 14/11/2022 11:49

Zelensky visiting Kherson this morning.
Seems a bit too risky to me, what with mines, potentially Russian soldiers in civilian clothing and Russian missiles in range. I hope people posting footage on line waited till he'd left the area.

twitter.com/glasnostgone/status/1592111246614360065?s=61&t=2rdCHRmeNvAiCBVYeqsxqg

twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1592090565142790144?s=61&t=2rdCHRmeNvAiCBVYeqsxqg

Rare example of a modern day leader trying to lead by example I guess..

In a lot of the images he at least appears to be surrounded by some big fellas, we don't know how crowd control was organised and hopefully nobody outside those who needed to know actually knew he was going..but yep, a bit of a risk.

FWIW, a historical parallel

winstonchurchill.org/the-life-of-churchill/war-leader/visits-normandy-beachheads/

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 14/11/2022 12:34

Fladdermus · 14/11/2022 11:55

❗️CNN and SkyNews journalists were stripped of accreditation for reporting from Kherson
The official Facebook page of the General Staff posted a message that "a number of media representatives who violated the rules of work in the area of hostilities, revoked their work permits, and their press cards were recognized as invalid".

Revoked by whom?

Presumably the General Staff itself. there are strict reporting rules in Ukraine which are mostly abided by, but it seems they consider Kherson still more or less a battle zone, or did when the withdrawal happened.

minsmum · 14/11/2022 13:06

The Russians are complaining about Zelensky visiting Russian territory

MissConductUS · 14/11/2022 13:12

minsmum · 14/11/2022 13:06

The Russians are complaining about Zelensky visiting Russian territory

Seriously?

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I think that if it bothers them, they should chuck him out. Oh, wait...

Igotjelly · 14/11/2022 13:15

Watching Children of Ukraine on ITV, another important and difficult watch. One poor 18 year old boy left to raise his 4 siblings following his mum’s death 😭

Igotjelly · 14/11/2022 13:40

Any thoughts on apparent talks between Russia and the US that are rumoured to be taking place in Turkey?

Greenshake · 14/11/2022 14:27

Don’t know about that yet, but Xi-Ping appears to have had a comprehensive chat with Biden. Both have taken a hardcore anti-nuke stance. This is very good news.

Igotjelly · 14/11/2022 14:43

Yes agree the mood music of the Biden-Xi summit seems to have been very constructive and business like which is good.

The White House have now confirmed that the CIA director is in Ankara for talks with his Russian counterpart and that Ukraine was 'briefed in advance'. Apparently not conducting any sort of negotiations and that the focus is on mitigating risk particularly around nuclear weapons and strategic stability. Also apparently discussing the issue of unjustly detained US citizens.

minsmum · 14/11/2022 16:00

mobile.twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1592143320473825281 President Zelensky. Answering a journalist about why he went to Kherson

ScrollingLeaves · 14/11/2022 18:26

blueshoes Β· Yesterday 17:24
@MMBaranova Flowers you are making a difference to your relatives. You are a lifeline. One day once the aggressor is seen off, the mending and rebuilding can start. Hopes and prayers they can hang on till then.

May I second this all blueshoes says and more because there are not enough words, and none are adequate enough, to express how terrible this all must be for them and you too.

MMBaranova · 14/11/2022 18:32

@blueshoes : grim isn't it? I have her mother's PayPal so sent her some money.

If you remember the maps of the Russian advance in the east, there would often be arrows showing the advances. They lived on the edge of a city (I'd call it a market town) between the fingers of the advances. The Russians didn't get to fill in those gaps much, though they came within 3-5km, and their taking the place was claimed. Erroneously.

Hancox432 · 14/11/2022 18:34

Former Russian priminister and Zelenskey both saying during separate statements that this week was the begining of the end of the war. Interesting comments from both.

Do most people agree that this is the begining of the end? If so what do we think the end looks like? I personally think it will be the complete liberation of all but Crimea. Once the Donbass becomes more contested with Ukraine gains I think Russia will give it up for full control of Crimea. Lots of other Caveats involved with security garuntees etc.