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What's the secret of very high achieving children?

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Starbrightmoonlight · 27/10/2022 10:02

Is it private school? Cultural capital? Lots of travel? High expectations? Kids expected to work hard at school, parents setting extra work at home? Is money & extracurriculars a factor?
The most high achieving families I know have children attending private school, travel loads, bring the dc to galleries, exhibitions, theatre etc, kids excel in extracurriculars & parents very invested in "expanding" the curriculum themselves... Any thoughts?

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orangeisthenewpuce · 27/10/2022 10:49

Notanotherusername4321 · 27/10/2022 10:02

Money.

It's not money. It's parental support, good parenting, teaching your children to earn what they want instead of giving it to them. Teaching a good work ethic. Having high expectations of your child. All this will help your children to achieve to the best of their ability.

fdgdfgdfgdfg · 27/10/2022 10:49

From my experience, the secret to very high achieving children is unhappy children.

NippyWoowoo · 27/10/2022 10:50

Genetics mostly.

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SaintVitasShagulaitas · 27/10/2022 10:51

Good genes, good teachers and being around people who take education seriously but don't put their kids under unhealthy pressure. Money helps.

LoraOldSpot · 27/10/2022 10:54

I’d consider myself high achieving both academically and in my career.

I put it all down to my parents. They were there for me when I did my GCSEs and A levels: my mum used to do maths with me every Sunday morning or I’d come back from my hobby and sit and do two hours maths from a GCSE revision guide independently, my dad used to come home from work and do science and also languages with me. I distinctly remember sitting at the dining room table going through French and German oral exams with my dad. They were always there to help and encourage me to do well and actively helped me with my studies. I was state educated and they never paid for anything. My dad worked full time as a vet so this included nights. They were just very education focussed which I am grateful for as I know has a successful job and own my own home when many of my friends do not.

SusanPerbCallMeSue · 27/10/2022 10:54

I've treated all my kids the same - same opportunities etc. The two I would say are high achievers (twins) have just always had an enthusiasm for learning and wanting to know absolutely everything - from as soon as they could talk! Neverending questions on how things work, which I usually couldn't answer, so bought books to help them. At primary school teachers always commented on how much they asked questions and wanted to know everything. I encouraged this by always doing trips and buying books associated to whatever topics they were doing.

As soon as they were fluent at reading they read many books on science and history etc. We visited lots of museums, most of them are free, so although a low earning family, cost wasn't too bad (we're not far from London, so public transport wasn't too expensive)

Extra curricular wise, they played violin (competent, but not prodigy level!) and we're into Scouting from Beavers to Explorers. They aren't sporty, so apart from fencing for one of them, didn't do much else. We did do lots of hikes as a family though.

I've never pushed them though, I let them go at their own pace, didn't do any extra tuition etc. Didn't fuss too much about exams (they didn't do GCSEs anyway because of Covid) They got into private sixth form for A Levels.

One is now doing physics at uni, one is having a gap year before doing the same.

As to genetics, it must have come from their dad, who though not high achieving academically was very into maths and science as a hobby. Whereas I can do basic maths and scraped a pass grade retaking it as an adult, and my knowledge of science is minimal.

helloisitmeyourelookingfor · 27/10/2022 10:55

ASD and the good fortune of finding a teacher in high school that got them and advocated for them

In my experience...

Astrabees · 27/10/2022 10:55

My DS1 is very academic, got one of the highest marks in the country in his English A level and did PPE at Balliol college Oxford. He worked in Tesco at weekends from age 16, did very little sport or extra curricular stuff after school. We have always been 100% supportive and encouraged lots of reading, criticism of authority and always eat together. He went to Grammar school which really helped. My DH was in care from time to time as a child and from a very difficult background. He puts his success in life and post graduate qualifications down to a Grammar school education too.

reigatecastle · 27/10/2022 10:56

AthenaPopodopolous · 27/10/2022 10:04

A natural hunger for success and status in the child. Sometimes if they come from a disadvantaged household, they succeed inspire of this because the child feels envy and becomes driven and aspirational.

I agree. It comes from within. Being a pushy parent won't work in most cases. For example, sportsmen and women have to have the physical ability, but the mental ability is just as important and that doesn't come from your parents, it comes from you.

You can be bright and still not high achieving (DH and me cases in point!)

You can also be not very bright and very high achieving (Suella Braverman case in point!)

And high achieving doesn't always mean high achieving - sometimes it is just down to luck and being in the right place at the right time and having an opportunity come up that plays to your strengths.

Cavviesarethebest · 27/10/2022 10:56

usually - but not always - massively dysfunctional parents

glasshole · 27/10/2022 10:56

Our kids are very low income areas And from low income families ( both my sibling and I are currently on carers or disability benefits). We came from parents that did absolutely nothing at all with us. Any day trips or breaks away were work related and not for us.

We try very hard to give our kids the best on a very modest income. We save every penny we can and have become quite competitive in scrimping. We use that money to broaden the kids horizons. We took them to Rome in June as we have a history buff and I looked after my little nibbling while the others went to the colosseum, Vatican, trevi fountain etc. we do as many free "taster sessions" of stuff as we can to see if they can find new things that interest them. We know a fair few musicians too so we barter, they get weekly lessons in exchange for a home cooked meal and a few meals and puddings for the freezer. Another one he lets me keep his credit card and then gives me a destination and I research and book all of his holidays . Or I research and order birthday presents for his family etc. as a result 2 of my kids can play the guitar and piano and one is a singer. If we are sat together and the tv is on is always been very fact based programming ( after the initial hour of after school tv). So our kids have been raised to be inquisitive and interested in the natural world.

BUT. How much of our kids is down to us doing what we have to raise them, and natural academic ability? My sibling and I have 6 degrees between us and love learning new skills. So. Is it nature or nurture?

badbaduncle · 27/10/2022 11:00

A combination of a natural predisposition and dedication, commitment to their interests and hobbies (however weird) and total and utter unconditional love in our case. No private education and very little money.

Nellodee · 27/10/2022 11:02

I think there are tonnes of contributing factors: natural ability, determination, confidence, luck, parental drive, good mental and physical health, privilege and money, probably some more I haven’t thought of.
Enough of one can often compensate does a lack of another.

90sfilmsforever · 27/10/2022 11:05

Money might help get a better education but neither of mine have been raised with money thrown at their education as for the most part I've been a struggling single mother.

I believe it is Intrinsic motivation and a thirst for knowledge. I have two dc. The eldest, I fell pregnant with at 19. She has always had a thirst for knowledge but was also raised with books read to her from day 1, cultural capital in terms of museum visits etc. She has a first in neuroscience and a masters degree. All As and A* at GCSE and A level including in subjects she really disliked. She just never saw anything less than her best efforts as an option.

My youngest was raised exactly the same, lacks the motivation and thirst for knowledge. Although I believe if she had the motivation her achievements would be the same - she's currently barely scraping a pass in her Year 10 exams despite being naturally academically bright. Money might help her as I think she would apply herself better in different surroundings. She's easily swayed by what her friends think and do and her friends now do not see the value of doing well. But ultimately she doesn't see the value of applying herself, if she tries hard she thinks she's doing it for me or for her teachers, she doesn't understand that it's actually for her future self. I'm hoping she will realise this before it's too late as she has such potential but I could say that until I'm blue in the face and she wouldn't listen!

Zipps · 27/10/2022 11:08

For me:
Genetics
Stable home life
Desire and inner drive to succeed
Thinking differently to everyone else including my family and peers
Positive outside Influences and taking notice how others achieve

I didn't get much praise, encouragement, often the complete opposite - discouragement, dismissive about my goals/dreams. Told on several occasions to forget it, too much hassle etc. So the ability to ignore all of that and actually use it to move forward.

bridgetjonesmassivepants · 27/10/2022 11:10

I think a lot of it us down to the child. Obviously parental support is important and cultural capital but the child has got to want to learn.

I grew up in a depressed town and was very determined to get out, I realised my best chance was education. My mum was also politically aware and pointed out that there were lots of kids with more material advantages than me and that I had to work even harder than them to catch up. So that's what I did, I worked really hard, esp at A Level. I read everything I could get my hands on and taught myself one of my A Level courses when I realised my teacher was rubbish. I was ready to play the long game.

This mainly came from me though. My parents provided a stable, happy home and expected me to go to Uni but there wasn't any sort of intervention, they just left me to it.

CaveMum · 27/10/2022 11:10

Parental investment in education. It doesn't have to be financial investment, in terms of private school or lots of extra-curricular activities, but taking an interest and supporting the child makes a huge difference.

My neighbour is a Primary (Reception) teacher and she said you can spot the children whose parents read to them/with them a mile off. She says the most important thing you can do for your child is read with/to them.

You can do lots to expand your child's exposure to things without spending a fortune - most museums are free, go for a walk and talk about the changing seasons and any animals you see. TV can be good - stuff like Newsround can help prompt discussions about current affairs.

Choconut · 27/10/2022 11:16

DS got mostly 9's at GCSE, his was down to 3 things IMO - ASD, huge parental involvement and a very good state school (he didn't have any private tutoring). He has no interest in sport though, very limited interest in learning the piano (gave up at grade 3 or 4) and although he got an 8 in Latin the only languages he really excels at are Python and C#!

WombatChocolate · 27/10/2022 11:17

Depends what you mean by very high achieving.

For some people, that’s defined by passing all their GCSEs and A Levels with solid grades and going to Uni. As some on this thread say, they would hate their kids to be high achieving. With that parental attitude, it’s much less likely that their kids will be.

Very high achieving could mean all 9s at GCSE, all A Star at A Level and the. Getting the First from Oxbridge and onto a highly competitive graduate training programme and whizzing up the ranks. Although this is clearly a minority who achieve this, it is a decent number every year.

One level down, you’ll have heaps of kids who get pretty much tops grades through school and either go to Oxbridge and get a good degree and access to a good career, but not one of the absolutely most competitive, or those with top degrees from RG unis who go onto stellar careers.

There will always be a small number who achieve these successes from disadvantaged backgrounds and due to pure talent and personal drive, but the numbers of these will be very small. It’s not impossible, but highly unlikely. Most children who go onto very high achievement are from homes where aspiration and achievement is important. Many are in cultures where it is simply the norm and anything else not really considered - either in the home or at school or amongst peers.

Parents and home can do a lot. A culture of aspiration, of working hard at school and performing well, with of course inbuilt ‘clever’ genes which come from having bright parents who have been successful. Add into this a culture of interest in a range of activities and family expectation that time is spent on sport, music, cultural activity and not just sitting on the internet in free time. People discussing ideas at dinner and visiting places for holidays and at weekends - all involves times, money and enthusiasm. Some families push themselves hard to do this stuff and for others it’s just natural. Some kids will have all this whilst attending poor or average schools and these home factors help compensate for the poor school.

Schools are important too. Not just for the teaching and facilities but also for the peer group. A naturally rather lazy child who doesn’t have many interests who finds themselves with an able and motivated per group is far more likely to take on the aspirations and work ethic of their peers and to get involved in a range of stuff. It’s a key reason why people push for state Grammar places and pay fees for school.

It’s true too that at some point, it really does have to come from the child. There are lots of MH issues amongst high achievers. Whether it’s pressure from parents or schools or themselves is t always easy to pin down, but perfectionism and pushing yourself to the extent that being a massively high achiever requires for the vast majority, can bring its own costs. Personality can play a big role here….some people are better able to come with pressure and to get a sense of balance than others.

This thread is by a poster who is obviously interested in their kid being high achieving. They want to know what role parents can play in making it happen. I think that with parents, on one level it is what you choose to do and actions you take, but more instrinically it’s about who you actually are yourself. And all of us are who we are.

Babyroobs · 27/10/2022 11:18

In my area, it's a cultural thing and pushy parents who make their kids go into medicine or dentistry even if they want to do something totally different. My dd has quite a few friends like this, parents push them very hard, dictate what careers they go into etc, they aren't allowed a lot of free time either to do what they want.

PaulGallico · 27/10/2022 11:21

From reading this thread I am not surprised that mental health issues are rising so dramatically amongst young people.

thepurplewhisperer · 27/10/2022 11:25

Allsnotwell · 27/10/2022 10:06

I disagree with money

You have to invest time and energy into children and give them self belief and allow them to ask questions and speak to them like you would any adult with respect and explanations. And talk to them properly don’t dumb anything down unless very adult type things.

Yes to taking them out, socializing, theater, cinemas, museums, get them involved.

They are sponges when young and want to learn and you need to be positive about teaching them and letting them explore. Paints, play doh reading cooking get them involved. And hang the mess - they need this time to explore.

This

gogohmm · 27/10/2022 11:26

Genes. In all seriousness, all the money in the world won't mean you are clever if you didn't win life's intelligence lottery.

Private school can help with qualifications, cultural capital can help you progress as you know how to small talk, schmooze etc but ultimately parents intelligence (and I don't mean their actual exam results I mean their inate abilities) matters.

My DD's both are state educated but got lucky on the genes front (met exh at university) they assumed they would go to university, got dragged to art galleries and castles instead of beach resorts, and both did good extra curricular. Very different pathways as adults but they did have advantages to get there

ZandathePanda · 27/10/2022 11:31

Parents
bit of genetics
bit of luck
good health

Phrenologistsfinger · 27/10/2022 11:36

Oh also, we didn’t have a TV so I read loads and widely purely for entertainment. Even art the dinner table!