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What happens if he doesn’t want the kids?

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AnightwiththeTiger · 26/10/2022 17:56

I am not a fan of Christmas. I am also divorced and this year have decided to take my kids (all tween) away for the 2 weeks before Christmas. They get back on 21st and the plan was that they go straight to their Dads till Dec 30th. So he has them over Christmas and as it happens one birthday. I am going to see some relatives whilst they’re away. All good.

Today he’s announced via one of the kids that he thinks it’s “only fair” that I have them over the hols as he had them for Christmas past year too. This squarely fucks my plans, which is what I think he had hoped for. His ideal is that he sees the kids for the minimum amount of time and throws money and sweets at them and sends them home. Except this time I won’t be here.

If I’m not here then there’s nothing he can do, is there?
For context he decided to move an hour away. It expects me to do half the driving, and pays the minimal child support and calls anything above his 52 nights “doing an extra”. He has them an average of 3 nights a month. It’s meant to be EOW.

He can’t call social care and tell them I’m a rotten mother by my not being here when he’s had enough, can he? That’s effectively what he’s threatened.

OP posts:
CarefreeMe · 26/10/2022 20:58

read the fucking thread. Please.

I have but you seem to be contradicting yourself so much that you’re forgetting what you’re saying.

Ottersmith · 26/10/2022 20:59

AnightwiththeTiger · 26/10/2022 20:53

What “it’s Christmas” means is different to everyone. And he might well have them for a couple of days, whoopy do. But I need a longer break.

But you do understand that kids like Christmas, don't you? And it is a special day, even if you don't think so. Also I know it's hard having a lazy shitty husband but you are a single mother and having the children all the time is just what single mothers have to do. Your kids will be picking up on this resentment so just suck it up. You are their mother.

Dontwanttoberudeorwastetime · 26/10/2022 20:59

CarefreeMe · 26/10/2022 20:58

read the fucking thread. Please.

I have but you seem to be contradicting yourself so much that you’re forgetting what you’re saying.

I agree.

The children will always remember the year neither parent wanted them for Christmas. They won’t be fine.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about these subjects:

FOTTFSOFTFOASM · 26/10/2022 20:59

Upwiththelark76 · 26/10/2022 20:20

And this folks is what happens when neither parent can be arsed . Money or no money .

In the nicest possible way, stop making shitty comments and come back when you've actually read the OP's posts.

STARCATCHER22 · 26/10/2022 21:02

Dontwanttoberudeorwastetime · 26/10/2022 20:59

I agree.

The children will always remember the year neither parent wanted them for Christmas. They won’t be fine.

Couldn’t agree more.

I’ve read the whole thread. Essentially neither parent wants your children for Christmas. That’s heartbreaking.

You might not like Christmas. That’s fine. It’s not about you. You’re a mum. Christmas is about your children.

Spareline · 26/10/2022 21:03

Absolutely astonishing how many people on this thread are literally refusing to acknowledge the OP’s posts in favour of self-righteously demanding she do what they think she should do.

No wonder so many women are martyrs to Christmas. Got to make it magical at all costs, hun.

AnightwiththeTiger · 26/10/2022 21:04

Spareline · 26/10/2022 21:03

Absolutely astonishing how many people on this thread are literally refusing to acknowledge the OP’s posts in favour of self-righteously demanding she do what they think she should do.

No wonder so many women are martyrs to Christmas. Got to make it magical at all costs, hun.

It feels like that! I feel like I’m screaming into the wind!!!

OP posts:
melodypondisasuperhero · 26/10/2022 21:05

Jesus nothing to do with Christmas specifically but when i was a kid and my mum took me on holiday for two weeks she took me to my dads straight from the airport in the early hours in the morning because I missed him after being away so long and he missed me! Some dads are just unbelievable.

And YANBU

AcrossthePond55 · 26/10/2022 21:07

AnightwiththeTiger · 26/10/2022 20:10

I’m reaching that conclusion. It’s so disappointing. He is steadily getting more and more distant from them. I facilitate their relationship even though I’d love it if he fell off the face of the earth frankly.

You know, my BFF fought and fought with her waste of breath ex to get him to take an interest in their son and to be cooperative co-parents. She 'facilitated' visits, holidays, etc until she was blue in the face and an emotional wreck. All to no avail. On 'his' weekends he either didn't bother to show up or he'd call at the last minute with some bullshit excuse. When he did have him, half the time he'd call her and say he was bringing him back early because 'something came up' (ie he was going out drinking and chasing tail with his mates). And he normally brought him home filthy and starving. He also was absolutely inflexible as far as changing dates and if he got wind (small town) that she had planned something with her son on 'his weekend'. He'd make sure he screwed up her plans by announcing he planned to see the child and refusing to change weekends with her. And because of the way US child visitation orders work, she had to let him or the police would get involved. Once we made plans to take our kids away together for a planned event and he insisted that she couldn't because it was HIS weekend and she knew if she violated the court order she'd be up the creek. So, we cancelled our plans and guess what? He didn't show up.

Finally, she gave up. She stopped trying to involve him in the child's life or fight for child support and he gradually faded away. She said that once she accepted that it was going to be her sole responsibility she actually felt 'lighter'. She said it was harder work 'physically' and logistically, but the lack of the emotional load of disappointment and resentment at his shit parenting made it seem easier to be do it all on her own.

Is it fair that she had to do that? Fuck no! But sometimes we just have to do what we have to do.

magicofthefae · 26/10/2022 21:08

If only your ex had a conscience and felt guilt or a sense of duty towards his children, even if he doesn't like them.

Either get it in writing that he's definitely dropping them off at so and so date, so you go see your relatives far away.

Or make plans as if he will do a doorstep drop off at Christmas. Have back up stuff ready, meals, entertainment etc. Not far away. Maybe your partner take time off pre Christmas, so you get quality time alone. Then if your ex sticks to his prior agreement, it's a bonus, and extra respite time for yourself. If not, then yes it will be more exhausting looking after them, but at least you'll be more prepared for it, and as a result, feel less screwed over by his mind/power/abuse games.

Ignore pp saying you're horrible for wanting respite from your SN kids, clearly they don't have SN kids, otherwise they would understand. Having one SN child can be like having to look after 5 children, it's exhausting, I know.

Also, look into if your council offer respite care, short breaks service, etc, for carers of SN kids, under their 'local offer'. It might give you the well deserved break you need!

I'm the long run, look for council support/help for carers who need respite, or if possible moving closer to your family, who might help. Try and phase this toxic deadbeat Disney dad, ex out. If he wants to see them, let him make ALL the effort for it. But I doubt he will. He will be glad to be rid I suspect. Without him at all in your life, it will be better for your mental health. At least you'll know where you stand. And your kids see the truth.

CarefreeMe · 26/10/2022 21:09

The children will always remember the year neither parent wanted them for Christmas. They won’t be fine.

I agree.

I don’t know how any parent is ok missing Christmas and their child’s birthday.

They both sound like the kids are a nuisance to their lives.

JudesBiggestFan · 26/10/2022 21:10

The thing I find baffling about single parents is that they so often think they're entitled to time alone with a new partner on a regular basis. Yet those of us who stay married somehow manage to soldier on having the kids 365 days of the year together.
Your marriage went wrong, that's unfortunate. But you brought children into the world and they are now your priority every day of your life until they're grown. It isn't that long to wait in the grand scheme of things and on the end will be much more rewarding. I do wish people would just grow up!
As for not liking Christmas...who gives a shit?! It's about them, not you! I'm really not a martyr, it's just honestly...I don't know one single married mother who expects a load of chill time every other weekend/over Christmas...it's just not the way it works once you have kids!
In short...tell your partner your kids come first and tell your ex the same thing. If he 'dumps' then on you then how lucky and blessed are you to have children to spend Christmas with. What some other people wouldn't give!

OgdensGoneNutFlake · 26/10/2022 21:10

OP I'm sorry, your ex sounds like an absolute piece of shit.
You don't need to justify why you don't want him to fuck up the plans you made with him in the summer for the care of his children.

It's perfectly normal to feel frustrated and disappointed that he would arrogantly choose to change the agreement.
In your shoes I'd call his bluff- you've arranged your time off and I would make sure you're not able to come and "rescue" him from his own shit.

HailAdrian · 26/10/2022 21:12

OP is there for her kids pretty much 24/7. She's allowed to be pissed off at not getting a break as she isn't just their mother, she's also a separate entity.

Ellatella · 26/10/2022 21:14

I think intentionally not being home when you know your ex will bring the children back would be a horrible thing to do. They will feel very unwanted. As I child I had a similar situation, both parents got new partners who they prioritised over us. Even if you don't like Christmas you should make the effort to make it special for your children's sake. And if your ex is a rubbish father then all the more reason for you to make more effort for the children. It doesn't have to be expensive.

Creameggs223 · 26/10/2022 21:15

WeAreAllDead · 26/10/2022 17:59

So you want him to have your children for the entirety of Christmas every year? Because you’re not a fan of Christmas? How nice for your children that you can’t be arsed to put in any effort for them

No she wants him to have HIS children at Christmas and given she isn't a Christmas person then why not he does 52 days a year she does how many???

Chattycathydoll · 26/10/2022 21:15

AnightwiththeTiger · 26/10/2022 20:32

Thankyou. I’m so sorry that this happened to you. You get it.

I do get it, 100%, and I’m sorry you’re stuck with these memories too. It’s shitty and it feels like the unfairness really doubles down when people act like it’s compulsory to be happy or else you’re a bad person.

FWIW I’m planning on the same thing if my similarly useless ex keeps his end of the bargain, I’m having DD around Christmas for the baking and painting sides of things and then she’s going to see his family on the big day while I go to my OH’s. DD and I do presents and board games on New Years. It works for ex because if he has her for Xmas, he can go out and be a moron on NYE, while I get to avoid all the NYE shit because I have DD.

PuggyMum · 26/10/2022 21:17

I'm sorry you're getting a hard time OP.

How's it been left with your ex? So you've got the email confirming the dates and now he's trying to wriggle out of it??

What would he do if you said
'Sorry we agreed the plan in emails dated xx/xx and I won't be available for those dates now?'

Would he just refuse to take them on the 21st?

Dibbydoos · 26/10/2022 21:18

TooShyShyShhh · 26/10/2022 18:11

right I’ll take you on hols and that’s your Christmas present which they all agreed to

If you told them that was their present it’s not like they could say ‘no thank you, I’d rather have a cd, new phone & a jacket from river island instead’ is it?

poor kids.

WTAF are you on about?

OP you're getting heat from a load of MNrs who are obvs so in love with Christmas they can see their arses for their heads!

I get what you've done - agree it far in advance, book the hol tgat the kids will love and now the AH is renaging.

Send his emails back to him showing he agreed. Confirm you will not be at home and say it's just 9 days not forever!

Yiu are well rid of him and soon the kids will be too, what a selfish AH.

ThreeLocusts · 26/10/2022 21:20

OP I'm completely bewildered by the amount of crap you're getting here. I actually like Xmas despite not being religious, but it's not blimmin' obligatory to do so, is it? And you definitely deserve some down time, Christmas or no Christmas.

It's a really tricky one as your ex sounds crap enough to mess the kids about, psychologically or practically, if he can't get rid of them at will.

But it seems unlikely that he'd get far trying to blacken your name with ss. So first thing I'd try is to make clear to him that this threat doesn't impress you and you expect him to stick with what was agreed earlier.

If he doesn't budge and you decide to take the risk, can you prepare the kids for the possibility that their dad may try to dump them at an empty house? Not tell them in so many words, but make sure they have a phone and know how to reach you? And that you can pick them up in an emergency?

It's shit that he can force you to choose between making the calculations or doing as he demands. What an arse. Wishing you and you kids a relaxed unsentimental Christmas, one way or another.

Thatsthatthen87 · 26/10/2022 21:20

So you want him to have your children for the entirety of Christmas every year? Because you’re not a fan of Christmas? How nice for your children that you can’t be arsed to put in any effort for them

HOW can you say that after OP has clarified he barely has them 52 nights a year and that they have additional needs. Do you have the slightest idea how difficult it must be ? No but it's all fun and games to be a dick to people on the internet, right?

LieToMe · 26/10/2022 21:20

AnightwiththeTiger · 26/10/2022 20:31

Ok I’ll bite. I hate Christmas because my parents ran a bar and they were open right throughout it and it was shit and everyone was drunk, but none so drunk as my dad, who would be immortal throughout the whole break. There was always tensions and fights and nastiness and storming about. Horrible for all concerned. I associate it with excessive drinking, misery and loneliness. I find the pressure for it to be “perfect” just too much. My dad is dead now, because of alcohol. I don’t allow it in the house and I get so fucking sick of “pop over for a Christmas drink” etc. I’d rather not. I have no happy memories od Christmas save the ones I spent abroad in the sunshine, or when I had one of the kids and was in hospital for the duration.

So Christmas can fuck right off frankly.

I has a horrible childhood and Xmas time was some of the worst time’s for me due to abusive parents. When I left home, before I had children, I’d gladly ignore Xmas, I’d either go on holiday or sleep through it. It only stirred up negative feelings.

However, when I chose to have children, knowing that Xmas is a things kids get excited by, that's how it is here, I knew I would have to make the effort to make our Xmas time special. If your kids now don’t want that, that’s because they’ve picked up on that from you. I think that’s unfair.

Those first few Xmas days, I put on a smile but by bed time I’d be in tears, past memories and the pressure for me to make the day special was overwhelming. I got therapy because that wasn’t how I wanted my life to be. I had this lovely partner and two beautiful children and I knew I didn’t want to make them as messed up as I was and have weird Christmas time’s because I hadn’t dealt with my past trauma. I can still find Xmas difficult (I think a lot of people do) but on the whole I enjoy it and for my kids, along with our summers away, it was/is their favourite time of year.

Your ex is a nasty waste of space from what you’ve said but you can’t change him. Even though he doesn’t have them a lot, I think it’s important that you do spend Xmas with your children every other year. Do some things together that you will enjoy, put a couple of traditions in there, I think it’s important for their future relationships and for if they have children in the future. If you spend quality time together, they’ll soon know that Dad might have been able to give them all the stuff, but mum was the one who really made an effort. And when they get old enough to explain your reasons for struggling with Xmas, they’ll really respect that you did that for them. I know my kids do now they’re older teens.

As for him possibly turning up to drop them to you and you just not being there, that could be extremely damaging for your children. He’ll no doubt be angry you’re not there, they’ll feel very unwanted. If he had them last year, I think you should be available this year. If plans really can’t be changed, talk to your ex, tell him he can’t change what he agreed on previously and hope he agrees. But from next year, you need to do every other Xmas, regardless of the days he’s had them in the year. You’ve said you’d rather he fell off the face of the earth, then take every opportunity with your children and maybe he’ll just be faded out. He doesn’t sound like a good influence over the kids with past violence and his answer to everything bring to throw money at it. It’s not fair on you or the children, in an ideal world parents stay together happily or are both reasonable and interested in their children so coparent well if they split, but that’s just not real life. The more he’s around the kids, the more damage he’ll do. And with Xmas being a big thing here, that time of year will likely do more damage than other times of the year as it be etched in their memories, like it is for you and me. You can change that for them going forward.

Dontwanttoberudeorwastetime · 26/10/2022 21:23

Op… you know how these horrible Christmases have had a long and damaging impact on you, it’s likely your children will suffer the same knowing neither parent is excited to spend Christmas with them and would rather be with their partner/ friends/ other family members.
You didn’t forget. They won’t forget.

Calandor · 26/10/2022 21:23

Well legally of course he's not allowed to leave them at the doorstep alone. But I'm sure many a man has... do you trust him not to dump them alone outside the house and make you panic return home as your kids have been left on the street?

crackofdoom · 26/10/2022 21:25

Jesus, the Santa shagging on this thread 🙄