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Jess Philips

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Iwasjustasking · 20/10/2022 20:08

God I adore this woman! She is amazing!

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HRTQueen · 21/10/2022 07:07

I agree with pp she talks in soundbites

i find her to be performing to a crowd often and will sound more like a populist politician

but I agree a lot with what she has to say

Leakygutter · 21/10/2022 07:10

This government have been in power for 12 years. All the self ID nonsense happened on their watch, but because they've worked out what to say (not do) they've managed to convince you that they're the party for women, while women have got poorer, sicker, less well educated, generally more disadvantaged throughout their entire tenure.

Gloryofthe80s · 21/10/2022 07:12

Stankonia · 20/10/2022 21:46

They did for JK Rowling. Same situation. She'd been out there actively doing good every day but because she wasn't openly GC she was shit, her books are shit etc.

Really? I only remember MN being full of I heart JK comments.

electricdreaming · 21/10/2022 07:15

RhannionKPSS · 21/10/2022 01:47

How can disabled women have appropriate single sex care if trans identifying men are included in the definition of woman? How can survivors of rape get the help and care they need if trans identifying men are included in the definition of woman?
Queer is a slur just as bad as cis by the way.

I am queer so i don’t find it a slur - I’m a woman who’s attracted to other women (and men and anyone in between too before someone tries to a-ha gotcha me). I’ve also been coerced into sex and am also disabled. All those things apply to me. I also have -£1000 and something now in my bank account, have debt coming out of my ears and wake up with dread every day about how I’m going to live, not about trans people possibly having access to any provisions put in place to make my life easier. There are no provisions.

electricdreaming · 21/10/2022 07:17

WhatTheHellIsAQuasar · 21/10/2022 06:15

You can call the class of people who do all of the caring for children "women" or you can call them 'people with uteruses" or fucking purple people eaters. But they're still the same group of people!

this might be the dumbest definition of the word woman I’ve ever seen. What about child free women?

They still have uteruses?

itsgettingweird · 21/10/2022 07:31

I'm a woman who looks after her child.

I don't have a uterus.

I'm a woman though. I want to be called a woman. I want to be defined as woman. I'm woman sex. I have woman sex hormone and had a female puberty.

I also as a woman want to be able to access a career and the Tory's have made it harder for woman to do that.

Hence the dilemma.

No party is dealing with this.

Aishah231 · 21/10/2022 07:34

She's a blairite. She'll stand on the sidelines now throwing mud but put her in power and she'll cave in to vested interests just like the Tories do.

TheHouseonHauntedHill · 21/10/2022 07:37

As an aside why is it the men coming into female space's that is the issue.

Is there any flow the other way?
Women in men's loos etc?

Are women determined to get into male loo/ changing area's?

Doingmybest12 · 21/10/2022 07:40

There is something unfortunate about the opposition where they come across as 6th form smart arses. They really need to look at their delivery. Jeremy Corban was terrible for this and I could hear it in Jess too. Such a shame as they absolutely need to get their act together and not just rely on being not as bad at the conservatives which is what it feels they are doing at the moment.

electricdreaming · 21/10/2022 07:50

TheHouseonHauntedHill · 21/10/2022 07:37

As an aside why is it the men coming into female space's that is the issue.

Is there any flow the other way?
Women in men's loos etc?

Are women determined to get into male loo/ changing area's?

I don’t know if this is a genuine question, but women who identifies as trans men are accessing those areas. I think GC people focus less on that though because it’s biological men that they see as a threat, and trans men accessing men’s spaces doesn’t affect them really. It’s for men to fight that battle if they want.

Whizzi24 · 21/10/2022 08:02

I like JP and think she comes across well.

The GC issue, while being more widely talked about than it was, is not going to be an election winner or loser. Labour are currently 36 points ahead in the polls (although this will probably drop now Truss is gone). So their stance on the trans issue isn't currently impacting voting intentions.

MN is just not representative of the population at large on this issue. It is not given anywhere near the level of discussion in the media as it gets here. I work in all-female workplace and it is never mentioned. I brought it up with a group of university friends recently - all left-leaning. All were broadly in favour of trans rights. None had given a thought to issues like women only spaces. The trans rights issue in general just isn't on most people's radar. The only people I hear discussing it outside of MN are young people who are very pro-trans rights.

The economy is trashed, inflation and mortgage interest rates will affect people's day to day lives. As will further cuts to public services. These are the things that will decide the next election.

If the Labour Party wins and then takes any major decisions on the issue, there might be more impact on the following election.

KurriKawari · 21/10/2022 08:04

As someone who lives in her constituency, she spends a lot of time on TV in comparison to what little time she actually spends helping the local community, that's why it's hard for me to take her seriously, feels like she's too busy trying to make a name for herself.

Leakygutter · 21/10/2022 08:12

Doingmybest12 · 21/10/2022 07:40

There is something unfortunate about the opposition where they come across as 6th form smart arses. They really need to look at their delivery. Jeremy Corban was terrible for this and I could hear it in Jess too. Such a shame as they absolutely need to get their act together and not just rely on being not as bad at the conservatives which is what it feels they are doing at the moment.

The "problem" with their delivery is that they come across as working class and unfortunately, even the working class don't seem to want that in their government.

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 21/10/2022 08:15

Where have you read that I'm fine with it? Did I say that?

thats why it was a question and not a statement…

and you can absolutely be against all the things you mention in your post AND the fact that males who rape are currently recorded as female

someone can have an issue with that but would still rather vote for a party that would hopefully get rid of the tories

Doingmybest12 · 21/10/2022 08:44

Leakygutter · 21/10/2022 08:12

The "problem" with their delivery is that they come across as working class and unfortunately, even the working class don't seem to want that in their government.

Please don't associate your comment with mine.

Ndd135632 · 21/10/2022 09:12

@TheHouseonHauntedHill the reason with the obsession about male transition to female, is because the biological sex of women is generally more vulnerable and less adapted for some sports than the biological male sex. We have also had an historic disadvantage when it comes to men in things like presence on boards and commuters etc and with take home pay. Now understand how that affects many things.

That renders women at a disadvantage when playing sports against biological men eg strength, speed etc. To the stage where not only do women then lose their prizes and team places, they also risk getting badly injured. And don’t even start on these people then wanting to shower fully intact with the female sportspeople - often uncomfortably.

Then there is the violence and sexual threat. Violence of men against women is of course a much much bigger issue than vice versa. The number of women killed at the hands of men is too high - as read out by Jess in Parliament every year. Equally men abusing vulnerable women sexually - whether that be in a care home with your elderly mother, in a hospital bed with your aunt, in a care home for your disabled daughter, in the toilets of your daughter, in the prison of vulnerable women and in the refuges where rape victims go for counsel. Violent men love to parade as priests, charity workers, hospital workers etc (think of some recent cases). Now they have the ideal loop hole to be next to vulnerable women. I simple self declare myself one! Hooray. Thanks Nicola S. Now I can identify as a woman and get into female prisons - many rapists are actually doing this AFTER imprisonment. Funny that eh

If we add to all that, the loss of ability to record correctly crime (note that now apparently women can rape people even though rape in the uk is defined as penetration with a penis), the gender pay gap, board membership- the list goes on - then we start realising what a mess it all is if we cannot define ‘woman’ correctly.

Now add to that the massive % uptick in girls - many autistic or gay - who are presenting as trans - with teachers and medical professionals having to give immediate affirmation - without telling their parents. And some of those then going down the hormone route and sometimes surgical route - leaving them sterile and mutilated. Then you realise something is amiss. And if a conversion ban is brought in for trans (on top of LGB which is going through) then that means that it becomes ILLEGAL for you or anyone else to even question your 13 year old autistic daughter when she comes to you saying she feels like a boy. Or a 14 year old lesbian too afraid to present as one so easier to change sex and ‘straighten herself out’. Yep gender ideology is massively homophobic.

On that note - then add lesbian and gay people who are being told single sex attraction no longer exists. It is now single gender attraction. And many including the bbc actually changing its definition of homosexuality to same gender attracted. And lesbians getting hounded into having sex with ‘male lesbians’ - google cotton ceiling - and the story just keeps getting more astounding.

Then we have a middle aged man pretending to be a girl for 200 days on tik tok rehashing all the awful stereotypes such as wearing pink, high heels and screeching at insects - backwards stereotypes that feminists have tried to dampen for years. It’s cool to be a boy and wear makeup and like pink. Equally it’s cool to be a girl and like cars and climbing trees. But nooooo. These kids now are being told they must therefore be in the wrong body. How regressive is that? And then this man-girl comes on to a big beauty platform this week in the states with another man-girl - to mansplain to all us women what being a girl is about. Oh really? Thank you for that insight and who exactly is this piece of content aimed at? My daughter? Me? Who? Men can of course wear make up like super cool New Romantics in the 1980s did - but as Marilyn says - he knew it didn’t make him a woman. It’s much more progressive in my book. We are going backwards.

Gender ideology is not about - being kind to a few people. It has massive far reaching implications for all of us. Our daughters, the most vulnerable in society and our jobs - the next time Eddie Izzard gets put as an MP when there is a much better qualified female ethnic minority candidate ready to take the post. But as Lorraine tweeted to Eddie. You go girl!!

huh? I’m done

endofthelinefinally · 21/10/2022 09:23

The CEO of the Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre is a man. AFAIK he has taken no hormones, no surgery and does not have a GRA. Self ID might not actually be on the statute books, but it seems to be happening anyway and not just in Scotland.
I have huge respect for Scottish women fighting this. It is an absolute disgrace.

endofthelinefinally · 21/10/2022 09:27

Sorry - I know that is way off topic re JP but was in response to a comment further upthread about self ID.

Stankonia · 21/10/2022 09:39

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 21/10/2022 08:15

Where have you read that I'm fine with it? Did I say that?

thats why it was a question and not a statement…

and you can absolutely be against all the things you mention in your post AND the fact that males who rape are currently recorded as female

someone can have an issue with that but would still rather vote for a party that would hopefully get rid of the tories

I gave no reason in any of my posts to think I was ok with that. I am not ok with being mansplained to by someone who seems to have only just figured out the basics.

C8H10N4O2 · 21/10/2022 09:42

Holidayexpert · 20/10/2022 22:00

This 100%!!
The obsession on here over trans issues is fucking tedious. In real life nobody gives a fuck!

That has certainly been the objective of years of lobbying. That people will think its a fringe issue and nobody will care.

Changing the definition in law of 50% of the population is not a fringe issue. Removing "sex" from protected characteristics is not a fringe issue (and this is the stated objective - removing the biological category of sex so that all that is available is the social construct of gender identity).

Self id without any controls or safeguarding in place is lunacy - can you imagine any other group of people being exempted from all safeguarding, especially when in positions involving vulnerable adults or children? The problem is that lobbyists have created a climate where its impossible to even discuss reasonable accommodations and safeguarding by shouting "bigot" or "fringe issue" every time it comes up.

The reality is that both parties have a very mixed track record on women. Its simply not the case that one party is the standard bearer - simply that all parties claim to be.

JuneOsborne · 21/10/2022 09:46

If it's such a marginal, non-issue, why are labour so he'll bent on it? Surely it doesn't matter what individual politicians say about it, because it won't affect votes....

BenCoopersSupportWren · 21/10/2022 13:01

This is not a marginal, fringe issue about a tiny number of transpeople.

This relates to the fundamental, legal definition of sex, and with it the legal protections afforded to women which recognises that we suffer discrimination based on our reproductive capacity, and that as a sex class we are at risk from the dangers which men as a sex class can pose (the most obvious being rape).

If we lose the ability to define “woman” in law, if we lose “sex” as a protected characteristic, how does a government make policy where sex matters? Single-sex spaces - gone at a stroke. Maternity rights? Women don’t need special protections if men can get pregnant too. Tackling the gender pay gap? A couple of highly paid male execs start identifying as women and that’s that sorted, no need for companies to invest in initiatives to help women overcome the glass ceiling. You’re a woman in prison, one of the most vulnerable situations to be in? So’s this hulking sex offender who raped someone with “her” penis who you’re now sharing a cell with.

Yes, the inroads towards self-ID were made on the Tories’ watch - and as a working class woman with a disabled husband who lives in a region still wearing the scars of being decimated by Thatcher, I could never vote Tory. But the Tories have at least read the room and put the brakes on before we went over the legal cliff edge entirely. Labour will jump into the driving seat and hit full throttle and bam! No more legal protections under the Equality Act for anything relating to sex.

And that’s why I can’t vote for Labour either, despite it being my lifelong political home. It’s too important to hold my nose over because the policy ramifications are huge. I’m politically homeless, and I hate it, and it makes me fucking angry at politicians who are not only deaf to my concerns that women are important and entitled to their rights but who deride me for holding them in the first place.

RufusthefIoraImissingreindeer · 21/10/2022 13:20

Stankonia · 21/10/2022 09:39

I gave no reason in any of my posts to think I was ok with that. I am not ok with being mansplained to by someone who seems to have only just figured out the basics.

Ok

antipodeancanary · 21/10/2022 13:22

Doingmybest12 · 21/10/2022 08:44

Please don't associate your comment with mine.

God no they don't come across as working class! Have you ever met anyone like any of them in real life working class people? One might say some union leaders seem working class, but politicians no. They just seem like idealists. Which like the previous poster said, is 6th form politics on steroids.

endofthelinefinally · 21/10/2022 13:24

BenCoopersSupportWren · 21/10/2022 13:01

This is not a marginal, fringe issue about a tiny number of transpeople.

This relates to the fundamental, legal definition of sex, and with it the legal protections afforded to women which recognises that we suffer discrimination based on our reproductive capacity, and that as a sex class we are at risk from the dangers which men as a sex class can pose (the most obvious being rape).

If we lose the ability to define “woman” in law, if we lose “sex” as a protected characteristic, how does a government make policy where sex matters? Single-sex spaces - gone at a stroke. Maternity rights? Women don’t need special protections if men can get pregnant too. Tackling the gender pay gap? A couple of highly paid male execs start identifying as women and that’s that sorted, no need for companies to invest in initiatives to help women overcome the glass ceiling. You’re a woman in prison, one of the most vulnerable situations to be in? So’s this hulking sex offender who raped someone with “her” penis who you’re now sharing a cell with.

Yes, the inroads towards self-ID were made on the Tories’ watch - and as a working class woman with a disabled husband who lives in a region still wearing the scars of being decimated by Thatcher, I could never vote Tory. But the Tories have at least read the room and put the brakes on before we went over the legal cliff edge entirely. Labour will jump into the driving seat and hit full throttle and bam! No more legal protections under the Equality Act for anything relating to sex.

And that’s why I can’t vote for Labour either, despite it being my lifelong political home. It’s too important to hold my nose over because the policy ramifications are huge. I’m politically homeless, and I hate it, and it makes me fucking angry at politicians who are not only deaf to my concerns that women are important and entitled to their rights but who deride me for holding them in the first place.

I agree with every word you have written and I wish I could express myself so eloquently.

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