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Ukraine Invasion: Part 33

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MagicFox · 11/10/2022 21:24

Starting this at 980 on the other thread because it's late and I might miss the tipping point. We're moving fast at the moment, thanks all for the analysis, insight and company

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DesdamonasHandkerchief · 20/10/2022 10:45

From Twitter:

Ukraine Invasion: Part 33
DesdamonasHandkerchief · 20/10/2022 11:12

From War Translated:

Day 238, October 19th. Summary of Arestovych and Feygin daily broadcast
Posted on 20 October 2022

Summary of the daily livestream with Aleksey Arestovych

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🔥 Battlefield update:

🔥 Svatove:
isolated insane 🇷🇺 counterattacks of platoon level

🔥 Bilohorivka, Bakhmut:
same 🇷🇺attempts at same locations as before, even same time

🔥 Horlivka-Marinka:
attacks with platoon or two, getting repelled

🔥 Zaporozhye:
small clashes, artillery shelling

🔥 Kherson:
For last 2 days FSB, police and officials are escaping to the east bank. Troops are getting more – at least BTGs consisting mostly of freshly drafted, even some attempts of counter-attacks.
Possibly 🇷🇺 are giving up Kherson, and decision has been made. Mobilized are added, to save last battle-ready infantry for use in other directions.
Another option is that evacuation is meant for officials, but bridgehead will remain defended, in order to keep 🇺🇦 forces there, and not allow 🇺🇦 to concentrate in other directions.

🔥 Air attacks:
Today 🇷🇺 launched 12 missiles, from those 5 at Kyiv, all 5 intercepted. More drones today, total 223 Shahed drones destroyed in last couple of weeks, but this is only 1/10th of total amount available to 🇷🇺.

🔥 Kherson evacuation:
There is no logical reason in complete evacuation, as if civilian population is evacuated, 🇺🇦 is free to fire at anything. In case if Kahovka dam is blown up, lower east bank would be in danger, west bank (Kherson) is higher.

🔥 Surovikin:
He is likely prepared as scapegoat – army is disappointed, there is a strong role-model that promises to save lives of solders, that can be removed at needed moment. Historically military coup is most frightening to all 🇷🇺 Tsars, so FSB is working to prevent that.

🔥 Antonovka bridge:
🇷🇺 has built another bridge from barges, below Antonovka bridge, it’s huge manual labor.

🔥 Israel support:
Unlikely 🇮🇱 Israel would supply weapons, it was also refused by 🇮🇱 minister of defense, however 🇮🇱 can aid with early warning systems, which would still offer significant improvement for 🇺🇦. 🇮🇱 has some unique capabilities, but they are expensive and not produced at scale that could assist 🇺🇦 immediately. 🇮🇱 political opinion remains to not hassle 🇷🇺. 🇺🇦 gets most aid from the West, not expecting 🇮🇱 to help, due to their specific situation.

🔥 Military aid:
Western military aid arrives in planned schedule, so 🇺🇦 needs to accumulate for each offensive, then wait in defense and accumulate again. Arestovych wishes for assistance to come in greater quantities, and react faster on unexpected needs like drones. NATO decision on anti-drone systems was accepted in 24h, which is really fast.

🔥 G20 summit:
Putin’s possible visit wouldn’t have any perspective

🔥 Iran:
Warnings about war with Iran are made for 28 years, yet it hasn’t started. Nobody would start a war over 2400 drones supplied. It’s easier to help 🇺🇦 with defense.

🔥 Sanctions:
Waiting for 8th pack of sanctions, some part of them will be individual.

🔥 Lend-lease:
It’s not a list of weapons, it’s procedure to allow 🇺🇸 President to simplify financing. Republicans want more clear distinction of what’s actual aid to 🇺🇦, and what’s used for other purposes – like assisting African countries buying 🇺🇦 crops.

🔥 Ukraine border:
🇺🇦 males are still not allowed to leave, any changes in procedures are postponed, in case 🇷🇺 mobilizes significant amount, and 🇺🇦 needs to respond.
Next broadcast tomorrow

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RedToothBrush · 20/10/2022 11:34

Shashank Joshi at shashj
“Communications to Shetland have been completely shut down after a subsea cable was damaged. Police have declared a major incident after the south subsea cable between the islands and the mainland was cut”

No suggestion of anything sinister at this stage but there are fairly obvious concerns...

PerkingFaintly · 20/10/2022 11:39

Yes I noticed that about the cable. One damaged last week as well, apparently.

RedToothBrush · 20/10/2022 11:42

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 20/10/2022 10:45

From Twitter:

This is worth watching due to the power plant.

This isnt an obvious place for the Russians to be packing up. Himars apparently struck the administration building a day or so ago and the is talk the Ukrainians tried an assault nearby by boat but it failed.

Interesting development.

Igotjelly · 20/10/2022 11:43

The Chief Inspector has suggested that all indications are that it was damaged by a fishing vessel but that 2 cable problems in such a short space of time are 'rare'.

Greenshake · 20/10/2022 11:46

Igotjelly · 20/10/2022 11:43

The Chief Inspector has suggested that all indications are that it was damaged by a fishing vessel but that 2 cable problems in such a short space of time are 'rare'.

I am viewing this with caution as it would be very easy to jump to the wrong conclusion here.

prettybird · 20/10/2022 11:47

I know something about subsea cables in the North of Scotland from a previous "life" (I even recognised the name of the Faroese guy)

Subsea cables are always vulnerable to fishing boats. I don't see anything particular to be concerned about.

And in the telecoms industry, Sod's law often applies that when one link goes down, the other/back-up link then also encounters problems Hmm - no conspiracy theories required Blush

Link to Iceland was once cut because the cable (on land) got chewed by rats! Shock Had to involve both Rentokil, lifting the cable out of the duct for a while (had visions of it then being chewed by cows! Wink) and the replace that section with armoured cable that the rats couldn't chew Grin

Igotjelly · 20/10/2022 11:48

Yes agree that its probably not something to be overly concerned about at this stage. Just shows how vulnerable our island communities are.

prettybird · 20/10/2022 11:51

....the incident did win us some extra business with Iceland as we then put in a second route for redundancy and Iceland put in a second subsea route to Denmark (in addition to the Scotland and then down to London route).

PerkingFaintly · 20/10/2022 11:51

Yes yes to all comments about probably being a "normal" failure, and at the same time being worth keeping an eye on. And of course about the vulnerability of island communities.

PerkingFaintly · 20/10/2022 11:56

(Can I just say again how much I love the random expertise of MNers!

This thread is particularly fine, but my all time favourite was the thread asking "why do DH's crumpets have numbers sharpied on the back", which within 27 minutes had answers from two food production experts.Grin)

thereisonlyoneofme · 20/10/2022 12:03

Is it possible they are evacuating Kherson because Russia re planning to flatten it ?

Igotjelly · 20/10/2022 12:05

I'm interested to hear what Wallace has to say in the Commons today. In fairness his ability to ignore the shitshow that is Westminster politics just now and get on with the job is fairly admirable.

prettybird · 20/10/2022 12:06

The stories I could tell about the "politics" of island links, the Faroes, Iceland, national carriers, the Kreppa (what Iceland called the financial crash), rodents and cables...Wink

I've been left with an enduring love of Iceland though Smile. Never did manage to get to the Faroe Islands.

Igotjelly · 20/10/2022 12:17

Fuck me!

Russian aircraft accidentally released a missile after interacting with RAF jet - defence secretary says
A Russian aircraft accidentally released a missile as it interacted with an RAF aircraft over the Black Sea, the UK defence secretary has said.
Ben Wallace added that Russia stated it was due to a technical malfunction.

Greenshake · 20/10/2022 12:20

Where did you hear that? Jesus Christ!

Greenshake · 20/10/2022 12:22

Just seen on SKY

Ukraine Invasion: Part 33
Ijsbear · 20/10/2022 12:25

ISW Key Takeaways www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-october-19

Russian authorities are likely setting information conditions to justify planned Russian retreats and the loss of significant territory in Kherson Oblast.

Russian forces are setting information conditions to conduct a false-flag attack on the Kakhovka Hydroelectric Power Plant (HPP); the Russian military may believe that breaching the dam could cover their retreat from the right bank of the Dnipro River and prevent or delay Ukrainian advances across the river.

Russia continues to use the guise of civilian “evacuations” as a cover for the mass forced removal of civilians from Russian-occupied areas of Ukraine.

Russian President Vladimir Putin’s October 19 declaration of martial law readiness is largely legal theater meant to legitimize activities the Russian military needs to undertake or is already undertaking while creating a framework for future mobilization and domestic restrictions.

Wagner financier Yevgeny Prigozhin is continuing efforts to set himself and Wagner Group forces apart from conventional Russian military elements.

Russian forces continued to conduct limited assaults to recapture lost territory in northeastern Kharkiv Oblast.

Russian and Ukrainian forces reportedly continued to conduct assaults in the Kreminna-Svatove area.

Russian sources widely claimed that Ukrainian troops conducted another offensive push in northwestern Kherson Oblast.

Russian President Vladimir Putin passed a decree on October 19 seeking to address Russian military personnels’ ongoing concerns about timely payments and setting the blame on Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu and Finance Minister Anton Siluanov for future payment issues.

The Russian parliament proposed legal measures that would allow Russian authorities to minimize the domestic impacts of partial mobilization in potential future mobilization waves.

Russian military officials continued to forcibly mobilize Ukrainian residents of Russian-occupied territories to labor or fight on behalf of the Russian military.

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⚡️Politico: White House taking measures to avoid Biden-Putin encounter at G-20 summit in Indonesia.

As Ukraine sets its sights on liberating Kherson, Russian proxies try to push people out
(kyivindependent.com/national/as-ukraine-sets-its-sights-on-liberating-kherson-russian-proxies-try-to-push-people-out)
As Ukrainians push toward occupied Kherson, the Russian occupiers on Oct. 18 said they would move up to 60,000 Ukrainian civilians to occupied parts of Ukraine or Russia.
The occupation authorities called it an “evacuation,” saying that Ukrainian forces are likely to attack the city.

⚡️Foreign Ministry: Martial law in occupied territories 'imposed' to suppress local resistance.

⚡️US State Department: Martial law decree in occupied territories 'desperate' move to tighten control.

⚡️Ukraine closes road transit to occupied territories through Zaporizhzhia.
Traffic in both directions of the highway between Zaporizhzhia and the occupied territories of Ukraine has ceased, Zaporizhzhia Oblast Governor Volodymyr Marchuk told Ukrinform.
Tension at the checkpoint rose significantly after Sept. 30, when 31 people were killed (kyivindependent.com/national/zaporizhzhia-engulfed-by-terror-as-recent-russian-strike-takes-31-lives) by Russian missiles as they waited to cross into occupied territory.

⚡️Electricity supply to be limited across Ukraine from Oct. 20.
Ukrainians across the country have been called upon to significantly reduce their consumption of electricity, as more and more energy facilities are deliberately targeted by Russian missile and drone strikes.

⚡️Wagner Group founder claims that Russia creates defensive lines, 'people's militia' in Belgorod Oblast.
Wagner Group, the state-backed private military company that has played a key role in Russia's invasion of Ukraine, is overseeing the fortification of Belgorod Oblast along its border with Ukraine, according to Yevgenii Prigozhin, the group's founder and Russian President Vladimir Putin's close ally.

⚡️Spain to send generators to Ukraine to help with electricity crunch.
On Oct. 19, Spain’s Defense Ministry announced the provision of four sets of 400-kilowatt and one set of 150-kilowatt electricity generators to Ukraine, as the country's energy infrastructure continues to be deliberately bombarded by Russian missiles and kamikaze drones. [should be there within 3 days]

⚡️Zelensky: 3 power plants destroyed by Russia in past 24 hours.

⚡️Russia strikes energy infrastructure in Dnipropetrovsk Oblast.

⚡️ Governor: Water cut off in Sumy Oblast, electricity supply limited.

⚡️Zelensky: 233 Iranian kamikaze drones shot down over Ukraine in past month.

⚡️Internet connectivity in Ukraine falls as country implements rolling blackouts.
Internet connectivity fell to 81% of ordinary levels in the city of Kyiv after Ukraine's state-owned grid operator Ukrenergo put in place the first of a schedule of rolling power blackouts in Kyiv Oblast overnight on Oct. 20, Netblocks, an Internet monitoring group reported on Twitter.

⚡️Reuters: Russia will reassess work with UN chief if he inspects drones in Ukraine.
Russia's Deputy U.N. Ambassador Dmitry Polyanskiy told reporters after a closed-door UN Security Council meeting on Russia's use of drones against Ukraine that if UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres sends experts to Ukraine to inspect Iranian-made drones Russia "will have to reassess (its) collaboration" with the UN, Reuters reports. [what an utter pissartist]

⚡️Politico: Upcoming US midterm elections cause uncertainty over future funding to Ukraine.
Despite U.S. House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy hint earlier that he would reduce aid to Ukraine, U.S. President Joe Biden's aides privately believe McCarthy, if he becomes speaker of a Republican-led house of representatives, will keep funding to Ukraine flowing, Politico reported.

⚡️US charges, sanctions Russians with shipping military equipment to Russia
The U.S. charged five Russian nationals with sanctions evasion and for shipping U.S.-made military technology to Russian customers, some of which has been used in Ukraine, Reuters reports.

⚡️ US warns about sanctions on 'all involved' in selling Iranian drones to Russia.
The U.S. promises to work with its allies (kyivindependent.com/uncategorized/us-warns-about-sanctions-on-all-involved-in-selling-iranian-drones-to-russia) and partners on preventing Iran's transfer of kamikaze drones to Russia for its war against Ukraine, according to the U.S. State Department.

⚡️ General Staff: Iranian instructors to teach Russians to use kamikaze drones.
Iran's leadership has agreed on sending instructors to train Russian operators of Iranian-made Shahed-136 and Arash-2 drones, Ukraine's General Staff reported on Oct. 20.

⚡️ Scholz: Germany to train 5,000 Ukrainian soldiers by spring.
The training will take place as part of the Military Assistance Mission in support of Ukraine, which aims to prepare about 15,000 Ukrainian soldiers, AP reports, citing German Chancellor Olaf Scholz.

⚔️ On Monday, October 18, the U.S. Air Force dispatched two F-16 fighter jets to intercept a pair of Russian bombers that were heading close to the borders of Alaska
The North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) announced this, writes European Pravda.

🍿 The Lukashenko regime is closely watching the unrest in the Russian Federation, which is taking place as part of the mobilization, and understands that in Belarus, the situation will be even more difficult and may lead to a social explosion — Main Directorate of Intelligence of Ukraine

🔎 In recent years, the Russian Orthodox Church has bought a number of properties on the Norwegian coast, which are located near important military facilities — Dagbladet
In particular, in the town of Bergen, the Russian Orthodox Church purchased a prayer house near one of the most important facilities of the Norwegian Armed Forces, the Haakonsvern Naval Base. The building offers a full view of the approach of ships and most of the base

🇵🇱🇰🇷 Poland signed an agreement with South Korea to purchase 288 Chunmoo multiple rocket launchers

❕India will consider a proposal from Western countries to introduce a price ceiling on the purchase of Russian oil, said the Minister of Petroleum and Natural Gas of India Hardeep Singh Puri

⛽️It took Europe 8 months to find an alternative to Russian gas
“At first we assumed that the refusal of Russian gas would last 7 years. Today, the facts are that it took us only 8 months to make up for two-thirds of the supplies,” said European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen.

📣 “Putin has found himself in a difficult position, the only tool of which is the mistreatment of the citizens of Ukraine,” – President Biden.

📌 The fight against Iranian drones costs Ukraine more than the cost of the UAVs themselves – The Guardian

🕹 The computer game Ukraine War Stories, where you have to survive the Russian occupation, will be completely free
The PC release will take place in October 2022, and the demo version can be downloaded now.
The game contains three visual novels, the action of which takes place in Hostomel, Bucha, and Mariupol. The player's task will be to save his life and evacuate from the occupation.

🤝 The European Commissioner in Kyiv announced a program to support Ukrainians in the winter, the press service of the European Commission reports
"Due to our rescEU programs, a temporary shelter will be deployed in three different regions of Ukraine at once – Rivne region, Bucha region, and Kharkiv region."
It was specified that the EU will help allocate 62.3 million euros for the preparation of temporary accommodation centers and provide them with everything necessary.

🇨🇿Minister of Defence of the Czech Republic Jana Černochová announced a new military aid package for Ukraine

⚡️The President of Switzerland came to Ukraine

‼️A hotel for Ukrainian refugees burned down in Germany, the police suspect arson
According to the police, the fire that occurred on Thursday night is believed to be arson. Earlier on Wednesday, the police visited the residential property, a hotel, over swastika graffiti on the entrance sign.

extra foto: UK Intelligence summary of how a withdrawal over the Dnipro would happen.

6 cruise missiles shot down.

(the ducks are getting better at swimming)

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Igotjelly · 20/10/2022 12:30

Sky have now updated further on the Russia-RAF incident. "Wallace added that the UK does not considering the incident to be a "deliberate escalation" and "analysis would concur it was a malfunction".

Still a bit squeaky bum for me!

Hancox432 · 20/10/2022 12:35

The is precisely why this war needs to end sooner rather than later. A direct hit then and we are looking at WW3.

I wander if this was part of his trip to Washington. By the sounds of it the missile wasn't aimed at the RAF jet but it was released while they were communicating with it.

notimagain · 20/10/2022 12:37

Igotjelly · 20/10/2022 12:30

Sky have now updated further on the Russia-RAF incident. "Wallace added that the UK does not considering the incident to be a "deliberate escalation" and "analysis would concur it was a malfunction".

Still a bit squeaky bum for me!

Not great, especially in the circumstances, shouldn't occur, but it does occasionally happen.

Igotjelly · 20/10/2022 12:37

Wallace statement in full:

"I would also like to share with the House details of a recent incident which occurred in international airspace over the Black Sea.
On 29 September an unarmed RAF RC-135 Rivet Joint, a civilian-style aircraft on routine patrol over the Black Sea was interacted with by two Russian armed SU-27 fighter aircraft.

It is not unusual for aircraft to be shadowed and this day was no different.
During that interaction however, it transpired that one of the SU-27 aircraft released a missile in the vicinity of the RAF Rivet Joint beyond visual range.
The total time of the interaction between the Russian aircraft and the Rivet Joint was approximately 90 minutes. The patrol completed and the aircraft returned to base."

RedToothBrush · 20/10/2022 12:45

Igotjelly · 20/10/2022 12:30

Sky have now updated further on the Russia-RAF incident. "Wallace added that the UK does not considering the incident to be a "deliberate escalation" and "analysis would concur it was a malfunction".

Still a bit squeaky bum for me!

Would they say anything different?!

That does explain why he went to the US!

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 20/10/2022 12:47

Fail of the day. A Russian defence ministry expert doesn't realise he is already on air and says: "Just don't ask too much about these Iranian drones. We all know they are Iranian, but the authorities don't want to admit it".

twitter.com/tadeuszgiczan/status/1583042663426584578?s=46&t=EgdSdqQD1o5s5qk7pbT73w