People dying in their fifties and sixties?

[antelopevalley]

I know the stats around life expectancy, but I am finding it mentally hard that so many people I know have died in their fifties and sixties. A few were expected e.g. colleague who was a functional alcoholic, but so many were not expected. A marathon runner who was very fit. A slim and active woman who died of cancer. Another woman who was sporty who died of a rare lung infection. etc etc.

I really do not expect this as I got older. It makes me afraid and makes me worry my partner could die at any time.

Assuming you can find an NHS dentist
and your GP is on board with annual checkups . Both are like good dust.

I’m honestly mortified by the general consensus on here!

I am ‘young’, not even mid 20s but would never consider ‘65’ as old! Good god!!! Seriously?

Time is not guaranteed sure but to me, going before 75 with no underlying conditions should be thought of as extremely unusual in the time we live in. If not 80 tbh.

It may not be a majority who die before 75, but it is a very long way from being "extremely unusual". It's about a quarter of the population, roughly.

The last three funerals I've been to were for a 17 year old, a 68 year old, and a woman in her 40s. It's not in the slightest bit unusual to know quite a few people who've died relatively young.

There is hardly any research but what I’ve seen is enough for me to make my own mind up (at this stage) after all it’s mine to make up, same applies to yours. I’m not here disrespecting your POV.

There is some evidence out there but it’s not making it to the MSM, and there’s not enough overall scientific research being carried out, to the best of my knowledge, as there appears to be a desire NOT to analyse individual response to the jabs or to dig too deeply into the irrefutable rise in death rates, not just in the UK but in many countries throughout the world. (The OP raises the question regarding more people dying at a younger age). Those statistics speak for themselves, don’t shot the messenger. They’re available on ONS and other sources but it’s not getting openly discussed. Traces in mRNA in breast milk is another thing you won’t see much about but they’re seeing it.

MSM is a real term, dontcha know, and seeing as that’s what most people turn to and where they get most of there information from, it makes sense that people will follow that. Hardly telling, just the way it is.

"Meat, dairy , alcohol and sugar are acid forming foods in the body. This leads to inflammation which causes cell changes and ultimately cancer long term. To combat this the rest of the diet needs to be as healthy as possible. Lots of fruit, veg, water and fibre. A healthy lifestyle generally helps too of course."

Yes and no. Big YY to excess inflammation being the cause of much ill-health. That is truly the underlying factor.

Sugar, alcohol and indeed grains (sugary carbs) should be limited. Huge yes to lots of plant based foods, yes.

But no meat or dairy? Not healthy. That's why vegans need supplements. Grain fed meat and dairy is problematic. Livestock should graze on grass/pasture.

Some people are dairy intolerant but that is generally due to high inflammation in the body existing already, not the dairy itself causing it.

If anyone is after evidence / stats, I highly recommend lily nichols real food for pregnancy, and the ever increasing research on the gut/brain axis.

About 8% of lung cancer cases may be familial www.verywellhealth.com/is-lung-cancer-inherited-2248975
Also non smokers may get cancer from secondary smoking (including from years ago) and from air pollution.
I agree with @suetwo that pollution from pesticides, plastics vehicle pollution is catching up with us. Plastic is now found in everything including breast milk. Whales and dolphins have high levels of plastics and pollution in their bodies, so do most fish and crustaceans. Our seas and rivers are full of chemical and medical waste.
We are also still subject to pollution from Chernobyl (I remember it being said that Europe would be subject to millions of extra deaths from cancer 25+ years after the event), then there was the Fukushima nuclear accident in Japan in 2011. Radiation is still leaking from the reactor and Californians have been told to limit intake of sea food because the radiation is crossing the Pacific.
Then there's all the off gassing of toxic chemicals from fire retardants in our homes from clothes, furnishings and laminates.
Honestly, the research is out there, we are busy poisoning ourselves and the planet, it's not surprising some people are dying young. Sorry..... have a good evening!

What is 65 then, @incognitopurple ? It’s not middle-aged, as no one lives to 130! I’d agree that it’s not elderly either, it’s something in between middle-aged and elderly.

I'm 48 and consider myself in late middle age as I’m over half way to 90. I don’t expect to live to 100, few people do.

Yes, you usually have to pay to get regular dental checkups. ☹️

I've lost friends who were in their 50s , my mum was in her 40s when she died. One was an alcoholic who died of multiple orphan failure, mum had cancer and I don't know about the other. Forgot my brother-in-law who was in his early 40s he had COPD.

apart from my grandad who died in his mid 70s my grandparents lived until their late 80s early 90s.

I haven't rtft and appreciate that deaths gave happened at these ages prior to the pandemic - but it seems that covid infections can impact on heart attacks and strokes many months after the acute infection has resolved.
theconversation.com/even-mild-covid-raises-the-chance-of-heart-attack-and-stroke-what-to-know-about-the-risks-ahead-190552

It's a perfect storm in the UK with the effects of poverty, austerity, cost of living crisis, climate change, pollution, pandemic, stretched NHS, Brexit etc all impacting.

Yes to all the suggestions of living healthily, but in addition to that we need a new government so vote tactically to get the Tories out at your first opportunity.

In the meantime also do what you reasonably can to avoid catching or spreading covid/flu too. Even if you're not especially worried about catching it yourself, it's sensible to avoid given we don't know who it might have long term effects on, and it will reduce pressure on the NHS, reduce pressure on people who cannot afford time off work because they don't get proper sick pay too.

Wear a decent mask (preferably ffp2) and speak to your MP/kids school about HEPA filters in classrooms.

I think lots of people feel because they don't wear a mask for some things there's no point wearing a mask for anything but that's not true - it reduces the chances of you catching covid in a shop or on the bus if you pop one on then. And it reduces the risk that you might pass something on to vulnerable people out shopping or on their way in to their minimum wage job etc.

And wearing a mask encourages others to wear them too - the social pressure to not mask is high at the moment. It's a cheap and effective way to reduce viral spread as we approach winter, we need to look out for each other.

Who are ‘they’? Paranoid rubbish.

Most of my friends are 45-55 and a lot have cancer or in remission. None died yet but it has made me worry. Not worry so much about myself but for my DCs.

MSM = men who have sex with men. Just saying...

Arthritis badly disabled my grandmother so I am going to read up on inflammation. Reliable ways to reduce it, not magic-food thinking. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions & experience... mine is that most people I know age 45-65 are in decent health. And I'm still sure people in 2022 are hugely healthier (for their age) than they were in 1952 or 1922.

Previously well Friend died of a stroke, pneumonia-related, at age 21 in about 1990. :( Life is indeed precious.

Lljkk what? Is this an 8 yr old’s attempted definition of MSM? 😂

That's just economics. A rich person living in Blackpool would live much longer on average.

It's the state of the NHS before and since Covid.

"5. Had I ever consumed more alcohol than recommended guidelines ."

The guidelines change all the time so I wouldn't know how to answer this.

"Not that you can always do anything about it, but taking antiacids is not a bad idea."

My doctor has told me to cut down on the antacids as she says they make things worse in the long run. Is that not right?

Best guess from this stats expert is that the UK excess deaths figures are largely (not entirely) due to A&E over-stretch
twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1562004612172873728?s=20&t=geZ4VvNaGX0lMsAcz7GKfw

"I agree with PPs that I always raise my eyebrow with MNers claim that 60, 70 etc.is 'young' and give examples of 80 year old playing tennis etc. There is no two ways about it - over 65 is old, even these days."

I was told off just for using the expression old aged pension.

"Simply because they can catch conditions before they become more serious, for example, high blood pressure."

surely the easiest way to catch high blood pressure is by testing your blood pressure.

"I am ‘young’, not even mid 20s but would never consider ‘65’ as old! Good god!!! Seriously?"

Well, I'd like to see all the 'young' people under 75 giving back their free bus passes, discounted rates, cold weather payment and the like seeing as they're not old.

I had thought of carrying on working longer, but since a few friends have become very Ill just after their later retirement , and not been able to enjoy it, I’m wondering.

@Gwenhwyfar Well yes, that wasn’t the best example. High cholesterol might be a better one. Or prostrate cancer, etc.