Is anyone on here pro-life?

[DancingSunflowers]

Just wondering.

Personally, I could never have an abortion, unless the baby was totally unviable. Even if I was raped I would have had the baby and if I could not attach with it would have given it up for adoption. I could have brought up a child with disabilities. Indeed I foster as child with complex and learning disabilities and he is a joy. Others must decide for themselves. I don't think abortions should take place after 20 weeks though unless totally unviable.

People have the right to reply. People not replying how you see fit, is different to not being allowed to say something.

Incidentally, do you know what murder means?

also if an embryo, conceived as the result of a rape is ok to abort why is it not ok to abort another embryo. What’s the difference?

She doesn’t know hearth, she’s running a kangaroo court and just makes it up as she goes along.

Everyone on here is pro life! Else they'd be pro death and outside serial killers those people don't really exist. Let's fact it, the label is somewhat misleading.

In the sense that you mean it, it is not possible in my opinion to make a broad brush statement as each case of abortion is so different and that's even before you factor in other complexities.

But do you think that gives you the right to insist that no other woman should be permitted an abortion under any circumstances? Because that’s what so-called ‘pro-life’ campaigners want.

@ladydimitrescu
Yes I have, and by then I think it's too late to abort.

Did anyone see the clip where a State Senator who objected to the inclusion of ectopic pregnancies in the States abortion law? The mind boggles

Did anyone see the clip where a State Senator who objected to the inclusion of ectopic pregnancies in the States abortion law? The mind boggles

is that the one who thinks you can remove the pregnancy and re implant it into the uterus?

Backs up pp’s limited intelligence argument.

You get that in an awful lot of cases 'the procedure' is taking some tablets?
A late stage abortion is different, way less common (and no less necessary)

I watched a video of a hip replacement once and it was horrible, can still picture the bone saw- doesnt mean I am going to run around deciding nobody is allowed to get their dodgy hips replaced because I personally found it grim.

Even in the cases I outlined before? So what happens to those women then? Forced to give birth to a rapists child?
There was an 11 year old in the USA who was raped by her uncle - she was forced to carry the foetus and give birth to it, whilst still a child herself.
That's ok if it's over 12 weeks is it? The fact she's probably suffered life long injuries, not to mention trauma that will likely destroy her life - why is a foetus' life worth more than hers?

What about someone who doesn't want the child, or can't afford it? Are you naive enough to think they can just give them up for adoption? Like there aren't thousands of children ferried around in foster homes and care homes already.
Why should they be forced to carry a pregnancy and all that goes along with it, for a baby they don't want? At what cost to the woman?

Baffles me that anyone would ever think this was acceptable.

@DancingSunflowers do you know what an ectopic pregnancy is?

That is one of the best examples of my ‘limited intelligence’ argument tropical. As my late great Nan used to say ‘you can’t educate stupid’. I wonder how some of these people function in everyday life.

I'm really interested to know, anyone here that's pro life - do you honestly see this clump of cells as a human being? And believe they've more of a right than who carries it?

You get that in an awful lot of cases 'the procedure' is taking some tablets?
A late stage abortion is different, way less common (and no less necessary)

yep I keep seeing US pro-lifers insist abortion is “cutting up” or “tearing the limbs off” live babies.

it’s not.

The sepsis example was my situation. I had sepsis, I was in a pretty bad way, talk of ventilation etc, 2 kids at home that need their mum. Some people would say it's fine, let me die rather than 'commit murder'? The choice was I had an abortion or me and my 8 week old fetus would be dead. I really can't believe in my situation people would not have an abortion and would choose to leave their kids to grow up without a mum.

@ladydimitrescu

You're throwing around all these what if's like I just came to my opinion spontaneously on this thread.
Of course there are exceptions and always will be but the majority of pregnancies that result in abortion are not exceptional circumstances are they? And I believe the majority of abortions are earlier rather than later and the pregnancies are preventable.
It's very easy not to get pregnant. Very easy (exceptional circumstances aside).

A blanket belief that a woman can choose any reason whatsoever to abort doesn't sit well with me.
Is it ok to abort if the baby is the wrong sex? What if they don't want the child because the father is a different race and the child will be mixed?
What about a planned baby but they have a slight deformity and isn't their ideal of perfection?
All those ok reasons I suppose.

I'm pro choice. In more than one way. I once sat and held my mother's hand and watched her die. She'd spent the last week groaning in desperate appalling agony as the terminal bowel cancer inevitably finished her off. Horribly, dreadfully slowly. It was gruesome. We are supposed to be a compassionate society, yet there was nothing I or any of the hospital staff could do to bring an end to her terrible suffering. We had to watch (and listen to) her suffer. It was a cruel and wicked way to die, and I wished with all my heart that there had been something, anything we could have done for her.

So, you once watched a video about an abortion. Trust me, you know nothing about life or death.

*Is it ok to abort if the baby is the wrong sex? What if they don't want the child because the father is a different race and the child will be mixed?

What about a planned baby but they have a slight deformity and isn't their ideal of perfection?

All those ok reasons I suppose*

if that child will have a shitty life being treated like crap and abused because you’re the wrong sex/mixed race/imperfect I’d argue you’d be better off not being born.

i have seen people argue for abortion because they’ve been born to drug addicts into a life of sexual abuse and neglect, who would abort rather than bring a child into that life.

Why should they be forced to carry a pregnancy and all that goes along with it, for a baby they don't want? At what cost to the woman?

@ladydimitrescu also at what costs is it for the child?
Is it fair to force that baby into foster home, to be moved around from one home to the next? Is it fair to take them trhough the pain of never knowing your parents, to know that they didnt want you/have abandonmed you?

Maybe worth listening to some of those children who have become adukts. Some are happy to be there but others are actually wishing that their mum had an abortion. Bring adopted let alone being left in the forster system can be herrendous to the child. Is it fair to them?

@samstownsunset

the edge cases are the ones that matter. People seeking to ban abortion are seeking to ban all abortions. They are not making provisions for the edge cases. They do not care about the women who will die. They do not care about the women who will become disabled. They do not care about the babies born with painful deformities, that are completely incompatible with more than a few brief minutes of tortured existence outside the mother’s womb.

if we want to make routine abortion rare, that is ridiculously easy. We provide excellent education about birth control, easy access to birth control, and radically change the support women receive from the moment they find out they are pregnant. We don’t have to restrict access to abortion to keep abortion rates low.

Is it ok to abort if the baby is the wrong sex? What if they don't want the child because the father is a different race and the child will be mixed?
What about a planned baby but they have a slight deformity and isn't their ideal of perfection?

What is the other choice?

• carrying on with the pg and parenting bthat child knowing that they will never be accepted and love the way a child should unconditionally loved?
• carrying on with the pg and giving them up for adoption (see my post above as well as @Reallyreallyborednow )

Do you think any of those solutions are good and fair to the child?

@Reallyreallyborednow

Rubbish point.

You're saying keeping an unwanted pregnancy equals abuse and that just isn't the case is it?

Many planned children are abused and neglected.
Many unplanned children are loved and looked after.

@Ponderingwindow
I agree with you. I don't want a complete ban and definitely want better education for girls to prevent pregnancy in the first place.
It's the way forward.

I know I had some sort of sex eduction in school but I really didn't know anything about my cycle and getting pregnant until I was actively trying to get pregnant as an adult.

Why doesn't a woman having agency and control over their own body sit well with you?

Why does it bother you why she wants an abortion?

Yes. In every single one of those scenarios a woman has, and should always have, the right to choose what medical care she wants. Women are not just breeding vessels. We have autonomy.