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Is anyone on here pro-life?

234 replies

DancingSunflowers · 29/09/2022 17:05

Just wondering.

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Twillow · 29/09/2022 17:29

While I respect your right to have an opinion, pro-life is absolutely one area where the opinion should never be made to include every person.

IhateHermioneGranger · 29/09/2022 17:30

Why do you ask?

crosbystillsandmash · 29/09/2022 17:31

stayathomer · 29/09/2022 17:07

Torn between the two but wouldn’t press my views onto anyone. My cousin was adopted and is my absolute person. She found out late in life that her mother was this close to having an abortion

And this is your excuse?

I was meant to be aborted, I obviously wasn't and I'm still very much pro abortion and women's rights!!!

BiscuitLover3678 · 29/09/2022 17:32

These threads piss me off. There is literally no empathy. You can be pro choice (and yes I am pro choice!) and yet understand why someone would be pro life. Abortion is horrible! No one wants to go through it! Don’t minimise an important but still awful choice some women have to go through. Even if you don’t have any care in the world what you are doing it is still objectively a difficult thing to do when you are looking at two lives.

PlasticSheetingRTÉNews · 29/09/2022 17:32

I’m very pro-life.

I believe that we should support anything that a woman needs to do in order to safeguard her health and well-being in order to allow her to live her life.

So yeah, pro-life, pro-healthcare, pro-bodily autonomy.

TheCatWithGreenEyes · 29/09/2022 17:32

I'm pro woman's life

Choopi · 29/09/2022 17:32

BiscuitLover3678 · 29/09/2022 17:28

I think it’s important to be respectful of someone’s view, just as you’d expect them to be respectful or your pro choice view. It’s a complex situation actually if you have empathy for different people and their experiences.

I would be dead if the pro lifers where I live had have got their way and abortion stayed illegal. It's pretty hard to respect someone who would see you dead for a fetus that would never had stood a chance anyway.

DogandMog · 29/09/2022 17:33

Yes, in the sense of being upstream of women's uteruses. Fetuses were thrown under the bus in the sexual revolution. Now ultra religious misogynists want a forced birth counter revolution, that will throw women under the bus... women who need abortions for rape/incest/medical reasons etc. Also makes it very hard for women to access general medicine, eg autoimmune drugs. There's a third leg of the process that everyone seems to overlook... men's boners. Place the counter revolution here at the ultimate upstream source. The only thing getting thrown under the bus in this precept is men's "right" to 5 seconds of intense ejaculatory pleasure. Forgoing this is a much smaller deal than taking the life of an unintentional fetus, or a woman having her body hijacked by pregnancy for 9 months (and the small risk to her life and health as well).

Hillsmakeyoustrong · 29/09/2022 17:33

I'll stick my head above the parapet.

You may think of me as pro life but I would describe myself as pro choice. I would not have an abortion myself in most instances but I believe every woman needs to make her own choice.

VeridicalVagabond · 29/09/2022 17:36

Hillsmakeyoustrong · 29/09/2022 17:33

I'll stick my head above the parapet.

You may think of me as pro life but I would describe myself as pro choice. I would not have an abortion myself in most instances but I believe every woman needs to make her own choice.

That would make you pro choice then??? So not sure what parapet you think you're sticking your head over?

OnLockdown · 29/09/2022 17:36

Hillsmakeyoustrong · 29/09/2022 17:33

I'll stick my head above the parapet.

You may think of me as pro life but I would describe myself as pro choice. I would not have an abortion myself in most instances but I believe every woman needs to make her own choice.

This is pro choice.

Namechangedforthisonetoday · 29/09/2022 17:36

How or why would anyone want to be respectful toward someone who is pushing a narrative of forced birth onto a woman? Because that’s what it is. Banning abortion, pushing women to continue pregnancy is FORCED BIRTH. Whichever way you look at it. Those physical scars, that mental turmoil of having the right to bodily autonomy removed, that pain, those memories, they are for a woman to carry. No southern belt or conservative middle aged man or handmaiden that supports them carries those scars. Women don’t get pregnant by themselves, where’s the judgement and condemnation of the men? Too many people have got too many opinions on why women should continue with a pregnancy that they don’t want. Not your body, not your choice. I’m all for having a personal opinion on choice, but when those opinions cross a line into attempts to emotionally manipulate or get laws changed to the detriment of women? Nah, not in my name.

Mumoblue · 29/09/2022 17:36

Nope. I’m a big fan of minding your own business/uterus.

ladydimitrescu · 29/09/2022 17:37

Lavendersummer · 29/09/2022 17:19

Yes. Sadly Mumsnet as a rule isn’t very prolife. And not even very civil to pro-life opinions

That would be because most civilised people are "pro the woman who already exists" rather than a foetus.
Pro lifers shouldn't even be able to call themselves that, because they clearly aren't arsed about the effect on the woman's life.
Pro forced birth is a more appropriate term for those in that category.

AuntieMarys · 29/09/2022 17:38

No.

RampantIvy · 29/09/2022 17:38

And I hate the term pro life.

So do I. It isn’t pro life it is “pro forced birth”.

Yes. Sadly Mumsnet as a rule isn’t very prolife. And not even very civil to pro-life opinions

Because forcing a desperate woman to carry and have a child she doesn’t want is the solution?

Are pro lifers happy to bring up the children that women have been forced to give birth to?

Namechangedforthisonetoday · 29/09/2022 17:39

Absolutely agree mumoblue. ‘Mind your own uterus’ and if you’re a man with a big mouth and too many opinions, stay out of business that does not concern you.

samstownsunset · 29/09/2022 17:39

I'm a bit of both.
Pro choice up to 12 weeks.
Pro life after that for a healthy foetus.

Comedycook · 29/09/2022 17:39

I actually have more respect for the pro lifers who are pro life under all circumstances rather than the ones who add caveats about rape. With the latter, it's all about punishing women rather than actually genuinely caring about the unborn.

waffless · 29/09/2022 17:39

I am not pro life but I know that unless there is a problem with the baby or I have been raped I would not do an abortion.Each to their own thought.

OnLockdown · 29/09/2022 17:39

Cynderella · 29/09/2022 17:11

For myself, yes. Not many circumstances where I could imagine having chosen to decide to have an abortion. For everyone else - the right decision will depend on circumstances. I wouldn't presume to think I would know what was best for other women making those decisions.

This is by definition pro-choice. You decide for yourself and other women decide for themselves.

ladydimitrescu · 29/09/2022 17:41

samstownsunset · 29/09/2022 17:39

I'm a bit of both.
Pro choice up to 12 weeks.
Pro life after that for a healthy foetus.

What about a woman who has been raped? Or a teenager who's future would be ruined if they had to look after a child? Or a family who's contraception failed and cannot afford another child in the current economic climate?

Surtsey · 29/09/2022 17:41

DancingSunflowers · 29/09/2022 17:05

Just wondering.

You go first.

Don't just light the blue touchpaper and retire...

Hmm
MarmaRell78 · 29/09/2022 17:41

But those who are saying they're pro-life - are you talking about just for you, or for everyone?

If it's for everyone then you're anti -choice / forced birth.

You personally might not ever choose to have an abortion, but I doubt you'd be singing the same song in different circumstances.

And you personally might not ever want to have an abortion, but it's quite another thing (and completely ignorant and narrow minded) to inflict that onto every other woman in the world.

I am PRO-CHOICE!!

DameHelena · 29/09/2022 17:42

I can't properly engage with your question because IMO the terminology is wrong.
It's pro-forced birth.

The opposite is pro-choice (NOT pro-abortion, for abortion or anything else like that).

But I am pro-choice and anti-forced birth. And of course on a personal level, every individual woman has the right to make her own decisions.