The Kardashians have reached a new low

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Apologies if there ‘s already a thread about this.

Top story on Daily Mail website shows Khloe Kardashian in a hospital bed with her newborn son. Only problem is she used a surrogate. It’s bad enough men trying to erase women but when a woman tries to airbrush the birthing mother out of the picture it makes me feel a bit sick.www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-11238003/Khloe-Kardashian-gives-intimate-look-arrival-baby-son-shes-accompanied-sister-Kim.html

Congratulations? If you want to know then you could type their name into Google.com, that will lead you to several pages of information about who they are and why they’re famous. If you don’t want to know then you’ve already achieved that, so threads about them are probably not going to interest you.

Well, good to see you bettering yourself by engaging on a thread about them.

Yet here you are!
I have never watched an episode but sadly they are all pervasive and pretty much inescapable sadly.

They epitomise America. Heaven help us all.

They really don't I think a majority of Americans would be insulted .

Khloe was outraged when she found out that the surrogate would have the option to abort if she was to fall pregnant with multiple babies. She said it should be her choice and not the surrogates. Her mom assured her ‘they could take care of that’. I.e. have it written into the contract that the surrogate mother wouldn’t have any say or rights to abort, even if it put her own health at risk.
All those posters arse licking and defending her and the family, just have a think about that.
This was all shown on camera.

Thats actually horrific.

They have a scary deity like status to some, did one of them not set a challenge to make themselves a million dollars in a day and did so within hours by asking insta followers to each send her a dollar?

Makes me thing of the handmaid's tale when the wives pretend to give birth sitting behind the handmaid as they actually give birth. Whole thing just makes me very uncomfortable.

God if I had any respect for that family I certainly wouldn't after reading this. How utterly vile and deplorable. And the fact that people are lapping up this surrogacy story as a feel good inspirational narrative rather than the dystopian tale of human slavery that it is is positively sickening.

To be completely honest I am not sure where I completely stand on surrogacy. I haven't thought much about it before reading this thread. Dispassionately I can see that no one has a right to a child and ethically the health and safety of women and babies should come first. However a little part of my heart whispers "but how would you feel if it was you that couldn't have children"?. I can't say how I would feel in those circumstances. It must be heartbreaking.

However surrogacy for a fee (like in the US) does not feel right. Surrogacy when there is no medical need is just beyond. Rich women buying other women's wombs simply because they don't want to "put their bodies through that strain" is absolutely disgusting (what about the surrogates body FFS!). And some of these women already have several kids! There is seemingly no limit to the selfishness and sense of entitlement of this pack of narcissists.

My feeling is that surrogacy is wrong, especially if you already have children. Why do you need more? Khloe could have contented herself with True just like Kim could have contented herself with her two eldest.

a little part of my heart whispers "but how would you feel if it was you that couldn't have children"?.

I'm sure you would be heartbroken, but women's bodies aren't for rent to fix people's hearts.

This ^

if you follow up with ‘How would I feel if I hired a woman to be a surrogate mother and she ended up permanently disabled due to a pregnancy related illness? How would I feel if she died? How would her existing children feel if she died having a baby to give away?
What if the woman were my sister?
What if the baby suffered emotional damage due to never knowing her birth mother? What if the surrogate mother ended up with post natal depression? Or worse still, post natal psychosis? What if she’d been coerced or trafficked into agreeing to surrogacy? What if she felt she had no other option due to poverty but birth injury left her with even less earning potential than before?
What if she were my best friend who did it out of love but felt so overwhelmed by the whole experience she couldn’t bear to be around me/the baby she had gestated and our friendship was irreparable? What if her children experienced their mother’s pregnancy ending without a new sibling as a bereavement?

what if I couldn’t actually bond with the baby I had another woman risk her life to grow for me?

There is a fuck of a lot more ‘what ifs’ to consider than just ‘what if it were me who couldn’t have children’.

www.today.com/today/amp/tdna172216

A pp mentioned the surrogacy story of the Locke-Lockes (?!) that's featured in the last few seasons of Made in Chelsea and how it's been framed as "WE are going around for another round of IVF".

Honestly, the way the story has been depicted in that show has made me very uncomfortable. Their "journey" has been blindly trotted out as a sad yet ultimately inspirational narrative with apparently no regard to the fact that this is actually a very contentious practice. I doubt producers gave this any thought at all. It's all just gushing support and sympathy.

I'm not saying it is not heartbreaking for the guys, it must be. But there is zero sensitivity about the controversial nature of the practice. It's only plaudits and pity. And that's not even going into how the story has been framed to put the Locke-Lockes at the centre, completely reducing the surrogate's role as if she was a mere vessel to their plight to become parents (as PP was mentioning).

@ReneBumsWombats and @TheClogLady yes I do concede that I have to agree with you both here, especially with all the points @TheClogLady makes. I suppose it's just that a little corner of my heart breaks a bit for how hopeless that must make some people feel. And I suppose I was also just honestly recognising the inherent selfishness of human nature. But like I say I haven't really given it a lot of thought before reading this thread. Your conclusions do seem inevitable though.

I've just mentioned how the surrogacy story has been trotted out on MiC without any type of nod to the issues you have raised. I haven't seen the Kardashians but I imagine it's the same. It's a real wonder that these narratives are not challenged more. Light fluffy reality shows certainly don't seem the appropriate place to highlight this stuff.

Also just to clarify, I've never thought "renting" another woman's womb is ok. I was always just thinking about sisters volunteering etc. But I can see the argument that if it's not ok to pay someone to do it, why should it be ok to ask anyone to do it.

Because Khloe clearly chose it so she didn't ruin her body. She's always been referred to by the media as the fat and ugly one and now that she's changed her face beyond recognition and slimmed down she clearly did the surrogacy out of vanity.

Agree! Khloe finally has the skinny body she's always wanted and decided to get a surrogate instead of getting pregnant again. It's pathetic, especially having another kid with her serial cheat ex who is just not that into her

It’s a very powerful little voice because those of us who have been lucky enough to have children really do empathise and care about the women who have not been so fortunate. Life can desperately unfair and extremely shitty.

But life is shitty and unfair in all sorts of ways (my kid had cancer age 6! And is probably now unable to have babies because of it although she does have some ovarian tissue in the freezer) and we have to suck it up and soldier on and find meaning in the hand we’ve been dealt.
Would I want my stepdaughter to be a surrogate mother for her half sister? And risk her own healthy body? Due to some sort of subconscious guilt leftover from childhood because little sister had a shitty time of it with cancer and she didn’t? Fuck no! The unhealthy dynamics in that are palpable.

Besides, tragic survivor stories like my little girl’s are used as propaganda so that rich celebs can exploit women in poverty situations just so the celeb doesn’t have to get fat and stretch marked.
Fuck that shit.

This is horrific.

And for those sympathising because the press used to call her the cat one. Don't sell your soul to get rich and put your entire life in the public eye then especially when it's on the back of your sisters sex tape. Ffs how are this family even a thing

She couldn't even be bothered to take her nails off for the first cuddle.

Lol why comment then?