The Kardashians have reached a new low

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Apologies if there ‘s already a thread about this.

Top story on Daily Mail website shows Khloe Kardashian in a hospital bed with her newborn son. Only problem is she used a surrogate. It’s bad enough men trying to erase women but when a woman tries to airbrush the birthing mother out of the picture it makes me feel a bit sick.www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-11238003/Khloe-Kardashian-gives-intimate-look-arrival-baby-son-shes-accompanied-sister-Kim.html

Also when I was watching I was thinking WTF happens if at the 20 week scan something awful comes up and khloe wants to abort… the surrogate would still have a choice I guess? So then what would happen to the baby. Yikes!

I don't know why anyone follows that bunch of tossers.

Yes, 6 months ago. Why's that ?

I wasn't bothered about surrogacy until I had a baby. Knowing what it's like to go through pregnancy and birth, and knowing how much my tiny baby needed it's mother - the person who carried, birthed him, whose heartbeat, voice and smell he know - makes me absolutely horrified by the practice now. Those poor babies.

Pressed too soon- what set it in stone for me was reading up on baby development and experiencing first hand pregnancy. Babies can recognise their mothers scent, their unique breastmilk, their voice from birth. I now find it all horrifying.

@ThickCutSteakChips thank you for explaining that side of the issue, I'd never really thought about it tbh but now you say I can understand how is an issue

Stop avoiding the question.

If you can buy a newborn in the womb why can't you buy a 6 month old from me?

It is illegal to buy a child at any age - I really don’t see how that is so hard to understand.

The same argument could be made for selling kidneys or other body parts. Why doesn’t society allow that?

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Maybe they should stay together then?

I thought it was vile too. Having had two babies and knowing how utterly vulnerable, raw, bloody and bruised you are afterwards and how hormones after labour are so incredibly powerful that you cry without provocation and can't sleep with nervous excitement and joy. Knowing how your body has geared up to hold and nurture the child and craves it being close to you so that even going to the loo without them feels weird...it makes my heart break for the "carrier" 🙄 and for the baby too who has only ever known the "carriers" voice, smell and body. It is brutal. I can understand completely the desire to have children over and above everything else but it still doesn't make the reality of it anymore palatable. Added to which this Kardashian could carry her own baby but chose not to to maintain her "revenge body". It's heartbreaking. All I can think of is the woman who gave birth to that child who is now somewhere alone without her baby, bleeding, leaking and exhausted.

Yes, this.

A friend of mine lost their younger brother to kidney disease because there were no immediate matches (the younger brother was adopted and the bio family wasn't contactable).

Should they have been able to buy a kidney from an available donor to save my friend's brother's life, given that the vast majority of people have two?

And if not, why not? Removing a kidney only takes ~10hours in surgery, as opposed to 9 months gestation.

The Kardashians really couldn’t get any lower. I used to be quite disgusted with them and then I saw this interview with Kim Kardashian where she said she would ‘eat poop every single day if it meant she could look younger,’ and I just felt a wave of pity. I thought what a sad sad life you must have to think that let alone say it. Same when she later gave her snotty little ‘get up and work’ speech. I just thought ‘how sad, you’ve really not got a clue and you’re so out of touch you think your thoughts on this are valid.’ I make sure every time they come across my social media I press the ‘see less like this’ button. I figure celebs like them are like a fire - if we don’t feed it it will slowly die.

@Noteverybodylives actually the state and all child welfare agencies in this country would strongly discourage anyone giving up a one year old voluntarily. Its a misconception that you can just place a child into Foster care.
The law recognises the right of all children to be raised in birth families, if not by their parents , than with a relative. The law will support a child's right to live with a relative even if a parent objects and wants the child adopted or in Foster care. This also includes newborn babies, it is actually difficult to relinquish a newborn for adoption now, although a small number of cases do occur.

UK law and practice supports the rights of the child as a sentient human entity with needs and rights separate from the parent. The rights and needs of the child take precedence over anyone else in any decision that is made about them.

Then we have Surrogacy which flies in the face of all this, and treats the child as a commodity which exists to meet the needs of adults. I cannot understand it.

For this argument, do you think it should be allowed to buy a kidney/organ?
If the donor is compensated and advised of all the risks?

You can donate blood, bone marrow, eggs and sperm to strangers. You can donate a kidney.

Vile women!

Who's being vile, exactly? The Kardashians? Or posters on this thread?

Money really hasn't done them any favours. They don't seem like nice people and I really do t know why people watch or follow them.

Perhaps I wasn't making myself entirely clear.

No, I don't think anybody should be able to buy any part of anybody's body, living or dead, no matter the need, because as a PP said, the line between consent and exploitation gets muddy when money is involved.

They must be tossers aswell. People just encourage them by giving them attention

1. In California the amount a surrogate earns - "is compensated" - is not capped. It is not, therefore purely her medical expenses and loss of earnings that are reimbursed. It's a for-profit practice. As such, there are agencies involved too. Mothers earn approximately $50,000 (it increases for subsequent surrogacies and can be lower for first timers) while agencies also take approximately $50,000 too. Then there are medical costs and legal fees (although legal fees can sometimes be part of the agency fee).

1. Surrogates must already be raising their own biological children. This means children are growing up seeing their mother selling their sibling. And it can be their sibling because..

1. Surrogacy in California can be with donor egg and sperm OR using the mother's egg. Meaning mothers can actually sell their own babies in California.

Confession: I dont know who the kardashians are or why they are celebreties

They personify everything that’s wrong with celebrity culture today. Gross.

I'm ashamed that I know this, but Khloe has recently said that this was a lie. She said that she pretended to have fertility problems as, at that time, her partner (Lamar Odom) was having some drug addiction problems and she did not want to have a baby while he was ill. (I don't think she phrased it as nicely as that though).

If I remember rightly, she said that she kept taking the pill to be sure she wouldn't fall pregnant.

I remember this because I have secondary infertility and unsuccessful IVF treatments and was really upset that she would lie about this on TV.

Kim apparently had issues with a retained placenta after North's birth and said that she was told that further pregnancies would be dangerous for her. Three of her children were born via surrogate.

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