Ukraine Invasion: Part 31

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31st thread, welcome all and thanks as usual.

Footage of Ukrainian troops in Lyman:
liveuamap.com/en/2022/1-october-ukrainian-military-entered-lyman

There's (unverified) footage that seems to shaoe they suffered at least some losses on the bug out..., also that there are still 5k holed up in at least part of the town..

Fog of war, etc.

Can footage really give us much idea of numbers? It’s always going to be such a tiny snapshot.

I should have spilt the comment - The footage was of a number of casualties that may or may not have been on a road of of town.

The 5k was a separate report.

The problem of trying to glean anything from SM is verification..

Ukraine soldier It's a Slaughter:

GRAPHIC "One guy [Russian solider] had obviously stepped on a mine by the side of the road. One leg was gone at mid-thigh, the other one was broken lower down and his foot was backward. He was trying to crawl somewhere on one good knee, trailing flowing blood out of a busted artery. Unless he got help quick, he was gone. He was talking calmly in Russian, saying over-and-over, “I will be home soon mother.”

"Lots, just us, maybe 140 dead Russians. Like hunting squirrels in a pecan orchard. I have to think Lyman is under our control, but we have no info on that."

"The key is to get ammo.
It’s 8 am there. This went on all night?
Yeah, but then it became just killing people. I wish I knew what was going on toward Lyman. I think we will move (direction) and connect with an armored group, get some kit, and head back to (direction) of Kreminna. That is the talk anyway. And, that is kinda what I thought would play out."

War is a horrible business. These Ukrainian volunteers 6 months ago could have been working from home on their laptops and now out in the battle field killing fleeing soldiers (who most likely also just want to go home) or be killed. Horrific sights. No wonder veterans get PTSD. So much sacrifice, such bravery.

All because of one idiot.
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Sorry, a bit slow on the uptake. Are these losses Ukraine or Russian?

Judging by personal equipment etc the video appeared to show maybe a dozen or so Russian's casualties who had been trying to fleeing in civilian vehicles.

Not exactly anything along the scale of the Battle of Falaise pocket but good news for Ukraine.

Interesting quotes by Zelenskeys advisor and Zelenskey yesterday saying a negotiated end to the war is possible but not with Putin. There is little evidence that the next president will be any better than Putin is!

Only thing I can see it being is mind games to make Putin offer more than he wants to get them back to the table.

Can't remember where but I read a former PM of Putin say the longer he goes without going nuclear, the less likely it is to happen as the trust of his inner circle starts to drop more every day with the failures they are having on the battlefield, economically and now socially amongst ordinary Russians. What brings me great pleasure at the moment is the thought of how scared Putin must be every night that someone is going to murder him in his sleep!

Tuba437
There is little evidence that the next president will be any better than Putin is!

I think the point might be that it is not possible for Putin to back down, but the next president, even if worse than Putin, would able to repudiate Putin and Putin's actions, and back away from the mess Putin made.

@notimagain thanks for clarifying. Glad it is ruskies.

I value your and MissConductUSA's discourse on military stuff.

I'm glad to be able to help people understand what's happening.

At this point, no good outcome is possible for the Russians in Lyman.

I can't find the link to the video being discussed. Can someone repost it?

Yes, this is the best way out that I can see. The toppling of Putin from within. It's right that whoever replaces him is likely to be worse (because it's the hardcore nationalist faction that is pressuring him to escalate) however, a new person can do what Putin can't: stop the whole thing. Basically we're in a situation where the best outcome is from the frying pan into the fire with Russian leadership. But of course, there would still be the fire

blueshoes· Today 12:58
Re: the quote you posted from those transcripts, I noticed it too when reading through those.

GRAPHIC "One guy [Russian solider] had obviously stepped on a mine by the side of the road. One leg was gone at mid-thigh, the other one was broken lower down and his foot was backward. He was trying to crawl somewhere on one good knee, trailing flowing blood out of a busted artery. Unless he got help quick, he was gone. He was talking calmly in Russian, saying over-and-over, “I will be home soon mother.”

What that dying Russian said is just so upsetting, even though he’s the enemy. This so shows the sheer evil of this war. I hope he died feeling he would really see her soon. I hope his mind/soul did see her again.

After yesterday's illegal annexation, you know what this means in Russia. Russia lost a Russian city to Ukraine. I bet Putin wishes he had held off the announcement

Kadyrov goes ballistic after Lyman and urges Putin to escalate: threadreaderapp.com/thread/1576216239579357184.html

Kadyrov's increasing influence and power is notable isn't it?

Kadyrov is an absolutely primitive example of a human being. He is just disgusting.

Yeah he really is the talking arsehole of the whole machine

He’s a fucking nutcase.

Explosion at Belbek military airfield in occupied Crimea. Russia says it’s just a military plane making a bad landing but there are pretty good fireworks for that. People on Twitter speculating about HIMARS attack but I have no idea how likely that is.

I am afraid I find footage of Russian tourists on Crimea being frightened deeply satisfying.

Hmm there does seem to be footage of a plane coming off the end of the runway. I suppose if it was carrying a lot of ammo that exploded that would explain the pyrotechnics.

I think we can assume that if no nukes are used and it is indeed a HIMAR attack on crimea that Putin is full of absolute bullshit.

I think it's going to be a miracle if putin doesn't use a tactical nuclear weapon 😥 it's all he's got left. I just hope the West step up and punish him if he does. Whilst escalatory behaviour would be inadvisable, he can't be allowed to get away with such a heinous step.

I am at least as worried about the B and C parts of ABC warfare; Russia has shown they are entirely unashamed of using those, and their not having been mentioned at all is more ominous than the sabre-rattling – which seems likely to be bluff.

I feel so stupid not understanding what you mean 😂

Biological and Chemical (Warfare).