I predict a massive backlash to all this mourning once the funeral is over

[FayeGovan]

So far the media is all about how we are grieving as a nation and no other voices are tolerated.

Its a pretence that will come back with a vengeance.

The country hasn't been in such a bad way for a long long time and millions have been spent on mourning someone many of us had no interest in.

Its wearing thin and we aren't at Monday yet....

Are you actually genuinely saying you’d rather have a hereditary monarch over democracy??? You’d rather some unelected, unchecked individual made all the decisions and all the laws, and for no other person to have any say, power or rights?
We have been incredibly lucky to have the decent and dutiful Queen Elizabeth for so long. There’s no guarantee of the kind of monarch you could get.
How would you be feeling right now if we had a King Andrew on the throne rather than King Charles? Your king could have recently paid off an underaged minor he (allegedly) engaged in sexual activity in the home of (subsequently) convicted repeat sex offenders. Yes, soooo much better than democracy 🙄

I was replying to @underneaththeash there.

This revolution has been talked about on MM for years

I thought the whole point of a revolution was to actually do something

its not been much of a success

In answer to the OP, yes I bloody well hope so. No other population has ever been exposed to practically 24 hour coverage for what will be 12 days of “national mourning”.
I am doing everything I can to avoid the news/radio/tv but it’s fricking everywhere! I think a lot of people are staying quiet until the funeral is over but patience with royalty will be worn very thin by the end of it. This elaborate ritual is preventing the gvt from dealing with the cost of living crisis which will claim the lives of many, many elderly people this winter. How should we grieve then?

My personal view on royalty is that a monarchy is psychologically damaging for both the “royal family” and its “subjects”. Eg.Diana died partly because of the public appetite (greed) for pictures fuelling the paparazzi pursuit. The excessive outpouring of grief from the public was disturbing, especially when her children were so young and deserved the space to mourn their own mother without it being hijacked by people who’d never even seen the woman. I don’t understand it.

We have a democracy in that we elect our representatives to Parliament who then form a government. The Queen has rightly been aloof from all this. Her, and now King Charles', legitimacy is based on the fact that the monarch is resolutely not political.

The "apolitical" King /Queen, as Head of State is representative what unites us as a nation, whatever our beliefs.
The "political" Parliament and Government are representative of what divides us as a nation.

Abolishing the monarchy would lead to all our state institutions being political, such as in the USA, and that's not something I want, and would rip the soul out of what it is to be British. Long live the King!

This was never a "feel good" bank holiday.... shops open or closed.

There will no revolution while people are cold, hungry and tired. There might be civil unrest though.

To follow on from my previous post, you're right, the person in the role does matter hugely. A poor king or queen, who fails to live up to their constitutional duty could spell the end of the monarchy... We been so lucky to have someone who has been so truly outstanding in that role over them past 70 years. She should be restyled Queen Elizabeth the Great! I'm hopeful King Charles will also be excellent too.

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How would you be feeling right now if we had a King Andrew on the throne rather than King Charles? Your king could have recently paid off an underaged minor he (allegedly) engaged in sexual activity in the home of (subsequently) convicted repeat sex offenders.

If. But we don't. Instead we have a king who has set up charities here and abroad to help youngsters achieve their potential and improve their life chances by learning trades etc. He has championed causes that the media poked fun at for years but which the world leaders have now realised are the most important on their agenda. He has made contacts amongst dignitaries, heads of states, world leaders and world leaders in their professions, and repeatedly these people speak of his diligence, his sense of duty and dedication.
Before saying you could elect someone better, why don't you actually go borrow a book from the library abd actually read what the King does and then say which person elected for 4 years could do better.

I predict a massive backlash to all this mourning once the funeral is over

I don't.

Any nation that stayed strong through the Nazi Blitz carried on and survived the way Britain did can weather a massive, albeit expensive, send-off for a beloved, once-in-a-lifetime monarch who changed history. 🌿😎👍

I'm neither royalist nor republican. I'm comfortable with the status quo. The national mourning is appropriate as is the state funeral. (Though I am curious how it is funded - did HMQ have funeral insurance?) There is still news about other topics and you're not obliged to watch only funeral stuff.

But what I deeply disagree with is shutting the country down on the day of the funeral itself. If anyone epitomised the British value of stoic Keep Calm And Carry On, it was the Queen.

Fair enough, shut all trade and entertainment for a couple of hours during the funeral, without penalising staff. Ask schools and businesses to allow those who want to watch or attend the funeral to do so if at all possible. Have a national minute silence at some point in the proceedings. (What's the point in doing it on Sunday night?)

Medical procedures have to be cancelled because staff have young children at school. People who are paid by the day or the hour lose pay - and often these are the lowest paid workers in the first place, ones who can least afford to lose a day's pay. Other people's funerals cancelled, and weddings, too.

Life goes on. Pause in respect, but keep calm and carry on.

Sorry ...carried on and survived was not supposed to be crossed out! 😰

I do think there are quite a lot of anti Royals out there who have been quiet for a number of years, as despite their views, they have had love and respect for the Queen. But I think they will become more vocal now she has gone. Let’s be honest, King Charles just doesn’t inspire people the way his mother did. I fear there may be a bit of turbulence in the years ahead for the monarchy.

But do you honestly trust our establishment at the moment that democracy is in place?

It certainly doesn’t feel that way looking at the behaviours displayed by elected officials over the past god knows how long. We are in a sprint to the bottom and have been for years - no fault of the Royal Family. Eroding of pay, workers rights, massive gaps between the poor/working poor and those in big business, slowly drawing out the change in healthcare, education, safety on the streets etc etc.

It’s all well and good calling for the abolishment of the monarchy but let’s face it - they cost relatively little, have very little to no impact on our lives as citizens and any money saved would not be seen by anyone as it wouldn’t end up in public services (remember we are living in a time where the state is getting smaller - less public service)

For the pennies each of us pay toward them I truly believe that them being patrons of societies and groups is worth it to promote public knowledge of issues.

Im not a royalist by the way but calling ‘democracy’ feels like a load of shit at the moment. Possibly it’s just me feeling that way though.

Although I’m not a particular admirer of the late Jackie Kennedy Onassis, it’s a sobering thought to recall that the Leader of the Free World (in the days when that meant something) was murdered on the 22nd November aged 46 and buried with all the attendant state paraphernalia 3 days later …which just happened to be his son’s 3rd birthday. The 10 day mourning period imposed on the nation, strikes me as excessive and unjustifiable. It also seems rather hypocritical, given HMs disapproval of public mourning for Diana. Wasn’t that described as being an ‘hysterical unBritish’ response’? I also have a sense that this funeral is the last hurrah for those who reminisce about a Britain of old (real or imagined). The UK has been in decline for some years and an elite has prospered, whilst an awful lot of ‘ordinary citizens’ have struggled and now we are entering a period of rapid decline. Endless parades and magnificent uniforms are a sticking plaster on a wound called ‘national identity’. I doubt that King Charles will reverse his mother’s meddling. HM was very shrewd in how she ensured that her vast landholdings and investments were exempted from a whole host of laws, but she always remained below the public radar. The RF will not see another Queen for a very long time. I expect to see lots of comment on Charles’ fussiness, the feuding Princes & their wives and the sense of entitlement surrounding the Yorks. It’s all on ice at the moment.

I doubt there will be much goodwill left for a massive expensive coronation certainly.

The cost of the funeral is not 5p per household. If that was true the Queen's funeral would only cost £1.39 million. But Princess Diana's funeral cost an estimated £8-9 million. The Queen will not have a more modest funeral than Diana.

We do not know how much the Queen's funeral will cost but I think it is reasonable to assume that it will cost more than Diana's. If the Queen's funeral cost the same as Dianas, it would cost every household 32p. But it will be grander than Diana's. Plus the cost of lying in state and taking the coffin about the country will also have a considerable cost.

Re the mourning, the Royals constantly change the rules about what is acceptable depending on who is doing it.

I hope so OP, cos I am not liking what I am seeing. Did those who queued up I wonder , did they pass any of the many homeless people sleeping rough in London ? Or have they been moved for the cameras like the what happened for the Weddings /Jubilee? You know, just in case the tourists got a more realistic view of a London and Edinburgh that isn't out of a bloody twee film .

I think that's pretty unlikely actually.

There are things there are "backlashes" around, but I don't think this is likely to be one of them.

if anything it may prove to be very cathartic for the people as a whole.

Fully support it and I'm permanently broke.

that the (JF Kennedy) Leader of the Free World (in the days when that meant something) was murdered on the 22nd November aged 46 and buried with all the attendant state paraphernalia 3 days later. The 10 day mourning period imposed on the nation, strikes me as excessive and unjustifiable.

He was president less than three years! Now if he'd been president for 70 years, maybe they'd have thought he'd earned 10 days of mourning.
But maybe not, because he wasn't even that good a president, he just happened to be young good looking, and married to a fashion icon.

I hope after Monday we can start to look again and see behind the delusion that those with hereditary wealth are special, more worthy, to be bowed to but the recipients of a fortunate accident of birth.

There is nothing non-political about a hereditary landed elite that exists because we say it does and pay for it.