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Mum still in lockdown !!

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Kissingfrogs25 · 11/09/2022 18:20

I am getting so worried about my mum. She is in no way vulnerable, in good health and 72 years old, she lives with my dad, for context she smokes, but is a healthy weight no issues.

Mum has been in lockdown since early march 20 and has not been anywhere inside or outside since this date, she says she is too terrified she will die of covid. She has had all vaccines, its the only time she has been inside a building. She cuts her own hair, hasn't been to the dentist, doctor (will speak on phone if needed) in all that time.

She won't even eat a takeaway in case its contaminated

What on earth do I do? I managed to get her to call the dr, who put her on antidepressants and other medication, but this hasn't changed anything.

I have been meeting up with mum outside, but even then she looks nervous. My dad is not allowed to go anywhere either.

It is now getting colder, I didnt see her for eight months last winter because it was too cold to sit out. She won't even see her friends, the few she has left have to sit on a bench in the park.

Anyone else in this position? What can I do? The years are going by and I feel like I have lost my mum 😥

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SilverLiningPlaybook · 06/10/2022 17:48

Paragon59 · 06/10/2022 17:44

Maybe they are making huge sacrifices that others aren't prepared to make? (In missing every school concert and open evening.) And if people generally were prepared to do so, maybe this pandemic would actually be over quicker.

I agree it is illogical about letting teenagers mix at school, although maybe they have no choice about that but have to send the children to school and, given that they are already mixing with each other, then see little extra harm in them doing so. Perhaps they are concerned about children's development, who knows?

It isn't hiding and it is not necessarily fear or maybe it is that this virus is still a threat and therefore it is justified to be in fear.

I am glad I don't have children at school as that would be another unacceptable risk, given that our society does nothing to control transmission in schools and pursues this mass infection policy and exposes people to risk to their health (not that the Health & Safety Executive would be bothered to do anything as I suspect there is a complicit system and that it is part of it). All official bodies, when it comes to Covid, in this country are useless - they are fine on everything else. It is probably because they are following Government guidance - of this government (the ones since 2019) that I would not put pass them were not intentionally putting everyone in the country at risk - after all it was run by a man proven to be a criminal with the acceptance of the criminal sanction over the party in Downing Street and has thrown people under the bus before. It is very dystopian.

I wish I could avoid the essential medical appointment as those are the one weak link along with this society seems determined to get me to get Covid and doesn't do anything to enable me to avoid the risks the health service of all places creates. It is small wonder that a lot of transmission now seems to be people catching the virus in hospitals. I am also not surprised about missing school concerts and open evenings as I would do the very same given that the premises of schools in society and those environments are not safe. An indoor environment, people gathered, for hours on end, likely no ventilation since this society is so useless on Covid, many people properly not wearing masks anymore, with high levels of sustained community transmission in the UK all year and infection levels rising again now - it is completely senseless for anyone to be going into such a place and I would absolutely refuse. If you are going to those places, I'd consider you to be a Covid danger to me too so would be even less likely to meet for a coffee as it is clear extra risk.

Missing out on being infected by Covid - I don't mind missing out on such thing and am happily entertained and fed and watered in my life in my home. Some people are not going on their mad dash out for a foreign holiday, damaging the climate for everyone, as perhaps they can cope and don't have mental health issues that some others, but not everyone going on holiday, appear not to be able to cope with unless they go on foreign holiday, encouraged by media promotions that serve the interests of the travel industry that BBC News is so keen to have up and running and is biased towards seeing people constantly visiting families and friends abroad and ignoring people kept in lockdown in this country due to others going abroad, taking the virus back round and spreading again here and people not bothered with all this constant high infection levels in the UK that may be keeping people in lockdown as it continues to be just too much risk and danger and public nuisance (the public nuisance being the situation that Covid represents throughout society) that other people have created and persist.

So your answer is all of us hide away for years in the hope that the virus will magically disappear one day never to return? Seriously?

Shoutitfromtheroiftops · 06/10/2022 17:56

I very rarely go out. I'm only 50.
I'm really anxious about a concert I have tickets for next month. I really really want to go. But I'm not entirely sure I will 😔
I will admit Covid hasn't been the only reason my MH is in the toilet and I am on a waiting list (12 months now) for a psychiatrist appointment.....
It is very easily done sadly. Home feels safe.

Paragon59 · 06/10/2022 17:57

"...many people properly,,," - of course I mistyped and meant "...many people probably..." My apologies.
Maybe my post explains some of what people in lockdown might be thinking and the rational reasons why they are there - no-one else doing enough about the virus to assist them to be out of lockdown given the continued risk that the people who have sprung themselves from it create and perpetuate instead. And don't care about, as we know. The high level of Covid continues to create extra risk, and the risk is in catching it not about death and direct severe disease necessarily. Perhaps they are waiting for their booster and with vaccines having waned so much since they may last have had it, many months ago now, it makes sense to remain in lockdown at this point, even though after my booster next week, I still won't be going out as the infection risk is still there and unacceptably increased by the amount of infection that is now, moreover, on top of this, rising and going towards winter now so only likely to increase even more given that people have made this inevitable.

So there is no moment at which this ever goes down to any level that has reduced the risk enough to be able to get back to anywhere like normal life, and I don't see anything even early next year to be honest as the rest of society is determined just to continually keep it at these levels that they seem to want to be endemic and constantly maintained and might be why some people are remaining in lockdown because infection levels of 1 in 75 are high and things like 1 in 25 infected and 1 in 15 recently seen are beyond ridiculous. It is everyone else in some stupid pursuit of constantly being infected that are the irrational behaviour from the way I see it and necessary to remain in lockdown to protect myself from all this stupidity as far as I see it.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 06/10/2022 17:59

@Shoutitfromtheroiftops

Do please go to your concert. I’m sure you will enjoy it, and it will be good for you.

GreyTS · 06/10/2022 18:00

Paragon59 · 06/10/2022 12:24

It is also part of my stubborness and resistance that I have had throughout my life, here my refusal to accept the attempt at normalisation of unacceptable death and long-term disability through defining today as normal. I am not having any of it and I continue to point-blank refuse and to remain stubbornly in lockdown caused by other people's behaviour in order to show how wrong that behaviour is. So it is over to everyone else and to fight the pandemic (as I am continuing to do so and fulfilling all of my task on this), for others that have given up to start to do so again and actually do a proper job for once...

Ah man, I feel so sorry for you 😞 what will it take to make you realise that you have a very severe but completely treatable mental illness....you have no one, what kind of life is that. You have typed out teams of complete nonsense which would be funny in a conspiracy theory way if it wasn't so so sad. Please get help, the fact that no one else agrees with you should be a sign, you're the one imagining things here

SilverLiningPlaybook · 06/10/2022 18:03

GreyTS · 06/10/2022 18:00

Ah man, I feel so sorry for you 😞 what will it take to make you realise that you have a very severe but completely treatable mental illness....you have no one, what kind of life is that. You have typed out teams of complete nonsense which would be funny in a conspiracy theory way if it wasn't so so sad. Please get help, the fact that no one else agrees with you should be a sign, you're the one imagining things here

Yes this is it in a nutshell.

Youreeavinalaff · 06/10/2022 18:21

"It is everyone else in some stupid pursuit of constantly being infected that are the irrational behaviour from the way I see it and necessary to remain in lockdown to protect myself from all this stupidity as far as I see it."

A lot of Paragon's tone is very much like that of a conspiracy theorist's, ie feeling superior, like they're the only one who can see some bizarre 'truth' whilst blaming and being angry at most of society. To say it's not even about fear/illness/hiding, but some kind or warped sense of duty and superior moral code, is very telling. It's interesting to hear someone explaining their rationale who takes this extreme stance, but I don't think any of us on here will change her mind unfortunately.

667TheNeighbourOfTheBeast · 06/10/2022 18:39

my mum is the same she is in her late 80s and so is my dad. She doesn’t like my dad going out and causes a terrible fuss if he does. He goes out once per week for a walk but only because me and my husband have kept on at him as he finds it upsetting with my mum. The difference is this is due to my sibling at home who is in their 50s and never left, they haven’t been out for about ten years and had problems pre Covid but have convinced my mum that the minute she steps outside she will get it. My mum and dad have both had all their jabs. We were not allowed to visit for 18months it was dreadful and I had to really push for us to be allowed to go, we wear masks and have window open and I know my sibling doesn’t even like this, they would be happy if no one ever visited again. It’s had a huge effect on me and my DD and DH, I have been having counselling. I cannot talk to my mum about it she just gets aggressive when I question it or cries non stop. It’s a huge loss as my relationship with her has been changed as we used to be so close. You have done everything you can you have talked to the doctor and got her treatment, my mum refuses to acknowledge anything is wrong and has just told me that is how they are living their lives. Short of getting in touch with social services there is nothing else you can do and tbh I doubt they would do much as your mum has capacity. All you can do is carry on visiting them and meeting them outside, perhaps suggest they keep a window open if they are worried when you visit or offer to wear a mask when you are indoors, I get this is pandering to them but the other alternative may mean the breakdown of any relationship you have left with them. I don’t have a problem with wearing a mask at their house as my husband is a paramedic and is exposed to Covid etc a lot plus I still wear one shopping as I disabled and have other health issues. I’m so sorry to hear about this, maybe look at getting some support for yourself too

Paragon59 · 06/10/2022 18:57

Shoutitfromtheroiftops · 06/10/2022 17:56

I very rarely go out. I'm only 50.
I'm really anxious about a concert I have tickets for next month. I really really want to go. But I'm not entirely sure I will 😔
I will admit Covid hasn't been the only reason my MH is in the toilet and I am on a waiting list (12 months now) for a psychiatrist appointment.....
It is very easily done sadly. Home feels safe.

Don't let me discourage you as I am Mr Doom.
You are right home feels safe and it is safe whilst it seems everywhere else nowadays just increases risk. That is caught in a dilemma there about wanting to go but being anxious about going.
If you do go, there are things you can do to reduce the risk, unappealing things like wearing a high-grade FFP3 mask and ensuring that it fits tightly enough whilst not being uncomfortable and don't rely on the earloop ones or not on their earloops alone - I use goggles to hold them up but may not be practicable for several hours - otherwise actually I got some FFP3s that don't use earloops but are straps instead and surprisingly they were more comfortable and I could wear them for hours without being aware I had one on.
I've have used eye protection as considered necessary when other people increase the risk by not wearing masks. If everyone wore an effective mask, maybe I wouldn't use eye protection. I really wouldn't listen to me because even if a concert was outdoors, I'd still wear a mask given that there has been outdoors transmission at some concerts with Omicron.
People going to concerts are reportedly changing their behaviour to what they did in pre-Covid times and I think it was something like people not spending as much time as before or are worried but not whilst there or maybe weren't worried on the way there but were on the way back.
People will now know that I wouldn't go as Covid might turn out to be worse for those people who've had mild symptoms than they think, and I am waiting to see if this turns out to be the case, perhaps after several repeated infections, but then again it might not be worse and one infection, if you have been jabbed recently anyway, it depends on people's comfort levels.
It is, in one way, a shame that people are rarely going out and that there is continued extra risk in this country from the amount of virus around that people are continuing to perpetuate. Perhaps what we should do is all the people in lockdown go out to some place away from all those circulating in normal life, as we are the ones that none of us is likely at all to have the virus since we've kept ourselves safe. However, how would I know that everyone was keeping themselves in lockdown?
Unfortunately I can't rely on anyone telling me that they are as experience has shown in the past - someone held a wedding and everyone was supposed to get lateral flow and tell their results, someone didn't or they went there infected and I think the virus was passed around - people even fake lateral flow results to such things sadly - so we can't even trust what anyone is saying there. I think I remember the news story, a hotel manager who accepted their say so and then the virus got transmitted, I would never have accepted such assurance in the first place as I know not to trust anyone at all, given how much I have been lied to and let down in the past, and proven right as I wouldn't have fallen into the trap the hotel manager did there. It then means the hotel toughened up and couldn't take on trust people's LFTs next time. They flash all these negative tests but they mean very little as they do not prove people do not have the virus, although if people tested three times on the same day and all negative on all three, I would take that as much less risk. LFTs went up in reliability recently and weren't as unreliable as I thought but then they went back down in reliability in some way since.
Obviously we don't know any of what people around us now do as Covid measures have been removed and LFTs charged for. It is damaging to the economy isn't it as some people who might have gone to a concert then don't go as there is more risk but then the Covid measures impose extra procedures onto people that themselves put some people off. It isn't back to normal and compulsory masking everywhere (apart from a few people with genuine reasons) would help reduce the risk and then maybe some people would not feel they need to remain in lockdown and perhaps could more easily go to concerts. At the moment, the current wave hasn't yet quite taken off, so it is less risk now than it will be later on this autumn and into winter it seems. It may be better time to go, although unfortunately this country has never got infections really low. If this country was following China's policy, I could go to concerts as there would be no Covid around, until we find one infection and then it spreads at some event like this. But, at most times in most places in the country it would be safe and there would be little risk. I'd still wear a mask though as I am determined to prevent myself being infected.
It may also depend what or whether any previous Omicrons you've had before. While it is the start of a wave, infections are rising and I'd like to avoid being caught up in this, the even more transmissible Omicrons are not quite yet the main driver but are likely to be this in November. At the moment it may still be BA.5 that was the last wave being caught up in this again and many transmissions are actually people catching in hospital where poorly people go anyway and masks or not the most effective masks are not being used.
So, concert might not be as much risk although with the infection levels there is almost certainly several people infected there, outdoors may be safer and lift the virus into the air and it quickly go away, although standing for hours in someone's airstream is also a risk even if you are some distance away, wonder what direction the wind is blowing in and not be in the place it blows towards, but (apart from the wind direction which is just me taking everything into account being autistic and beyond what anyone else would do) these are the dilemmas we face and why some people may be in lockdown, depends whether you have got long-term conditions that put you at more risk as well, as well as what you need to do for your own health and unfortunately no right or wrong answer (which is usually what puts me into anxiety) and these are the decisions to be made - the anxiousness won't persist constantly I doubt, depends on how you feel, and maybe bite the bullet at some point and enjoy the concert.
I think it is probably a gut feeling, of the type I don't have and can never decide and I wouldn't go but then I don't really really want to go, so I don't know and people being in lockdown are not necessarily being irrational (to understand the dilemmas as to why some people might be staying that way).

creamwitheverything · 06/10/2022 19:12

@Paragon59 Hello! I have read all your posts with interest and I wanted to share something with you if I may please? I am the wrong side of 50 with copd,enpysemia a tumour (benign thankfully) severe sleep apnea ,lynphodema and just gone through the menopause! Other than that I am doing ok lol.! I have had 2 jabs and totally abided by the covid rules. I also have had covid 3 time,despite how careful I was,The first knocked me sideways and I was unwell ,the second awful but better and the third time it fet like a mid cold. All the odds were stacked against me puling through but I did and I am here living,going out,seeing my famiy,working,doing the school runs. I am one of the statistics they were most worried about but I am here,surviving and iving, I dont know realy what the point of my post to you is but I hope maybe you can find some reassurance and comfort from me personally and my journey over the last few years. I wish you to thrive,survive and ive positively too I guess is the top and bottom of it. If I can beat this thing it is surely not so bad? maybe just something for you to ponder on,

Paragon59 · 06/10/2022 19:23

Youreeavinalaff · 06/10/2022 18:21

"It is everyone else in some stupid pursuit of constantly being infected that are the irrational behaviour from the way I see it and necessary to remain in lockdown to protect myself from all this stupidity as far as I see it."

A lot of Paragon's tone is very much like that of a conspiracy theorist's, ie feeling superior, like they're the only one who can see some bizarre 'truth' whilst blaming and being angry at most of society. To say it's not even about fear/illness/hiding, but some kind or warped sense of duty and superior moral code, is very telling. It's interesting to hear someone explaining their rationale who takes this extreme stance, but I don't think any of us on here will change her mind unfortunately.

That's the usual way in which people who aren't autistic wrongly perceive autistic people as having some expression of superiority in it because of the way in which I communicate (as an autistic person). It is therefore the autism, it isn't a mental illness. The tone you detect simply isn't there - this is because you are reading hidden meanings into things because that's how people who aren't autistic communicate but they don't apply with me on the spectrum. I was going to reply to the previous post by private message as it is going off-topic, and would have been a lot of detail, but no need to go into any of that now as it is clearly the misinterpretation of others due to my autism.

IrmaGord · 06/10/2022 19:33

A lot of Paragon's tone is very much like that of a conspiracy theorist's, ie feeling superior, like they're the only one who can see some bizarre 'truth' whilst blaming and being angry at most of society. To say it's not even about fear/illness/hiding, but some kind or warped sense of duty and superior moral code, is very telling

There was lot of that during the lockdowns though, especially on here. Towards the latter end of the lockdown years, if anyone even dare voice they were fed up of being shut in all that time, they were piled on and more or less called a granny killer.

@Paragon59 can I ask if you have an illness that makes you more susceptible to covid or are you CEV in any way? (Apologies if you've already said, but you're posts are quite long).

Kissingfrogs25 · 06/10/2022 19:35

MrsSkylerWhite · 06/10/2022 16:15

Sympathies but no answers.
My parents won’t even see us outside. Saw them last in December 2019.
feels like a bereavement with no bodies to mourn.

I am so sorry this has happened to you as well. It’s a really horrible and reminds me of the a sub culture since the pandemic of the ‘living dead’ - there is no life at all beyond the four walls. The grief cycle kicks in because the estrangement is so final. It feels so final.

It hurts because I also wonder why they don’t love or care for me enough to break out of it. They could carry on indefinitely not seeing us effectively. Maybe it is the mental illness, it is so acute it overrides everything. 💐 I understand how you feel, and it’s made worse by not being able to say I have lost my parents in RL because they are very alive physically at least.

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IrmaGord · 06/10/2022 19:37

The tone you detect simply isn't there - this is because you are reading hidden meanings into things because that's how people who aren't autistic communicate but they don't apply with me on the spectrum

I don't think that poster was reading into any hidden meanings. You blatantly called people stupid for not adhering to lockdown any more. If that doesn't say you think you are somehow superior to the rest of us, I don't know what does.

Paragon59 · 06/10/2022 19:42

I am not even angry as I don't have any emotional feeling at all. I get frustrated when people kept going on and on about their specialist subject of getting back to normal very months ago but that is all and keeping hearing people constantly say things that are not true on the media, such as inaccurate statements that suggest the pandemic is over that are pseudoscience and things that they assume to be taken for granted as true but have yet been substantiated. Unfortunately I am substantiated and I could give numerous examples and explain what the full truth was, based on all the evidence, and why misleading although here is not the place to do so as this is a thread about people in lockdown.
There isn't any "warped" sense of duty, unless people are admitting to not having a sense of duty and there isn't a superior moral code. The unfortunate truth is that in fact I do know more than most people, although it is unacceptable to say so and perceived as superiority if you do, even when it is the truth that is something that non-autistic people regularly show that they do have a problem with and often need to comfort themselves in lies, including so-called white lies, and delude themselves on some false basis.
Yes my efforts against Covid are extreme but maybe this virus requires extreme measures against it in order to deal with it properly, and other people's lack of extreme measures have so far demonstrated to have failed to work to get rid of it as it hasn't gone. It is unrealistic maybe to expect it will ever go when people are not adopting extreme measures, or are not able to adopt such measures, against it. My measures have had to become more and more extreme over time in response to the increased risk people have created of this virus reaching me, causing more and more transmissible variants due to failure to get rid of the previous ones and instead doing things that continue to persist the virus so no wonder it hasn't gone (and people keep repeating this obviousness as if they expect it to do so somehow). I remember earlier in the pandemic, New Zealand reaching zero Covid and then acting on the basis of one case, that people thought was extreme. Other countries were a failure, introducing half-measures only in order to have to introduce more and more extreme measures as the half-measures failed and the virus only responding to the most extreme measures. I am a man rather than "her".

I have so far been successful in not being infected by the virus as far as I know and therefore my measures justified and may not be the burden on me that they would be for other people to try to do them. It is said to be "unfortunate" that my mind won't change: however I am fully open to changing if people can provide evidence on which I should do so. Some of what I do to try to keep the virus out may be felt unnecessary or excessive but is there as a precaution and belt and braces in order to ensure that it stays away, even if there is no evidence as I don't need this in order to act against it and wait for it to arrive only for the evidence later to emerge and then it be too late as the virus does indeed do this... etc. I was prepared for it in advance and shut off that way of transmission.

Kissingfrogs25 · 06/10/2022 19:45

paragon You are able to stay at home because you can, but have you considered who is preparing your food, sending electricity and supplies to the house, who would come out if there was a fire, a break in, an accident? Who would run the clothing factories and stores to supply your clothes? Life has to go on because everyone and everything is interconnected, and dependent on each person playing their part.
There are no restrictions that would ever stop covid, I disagree with you that masks make any difference. We still caught covid with masks! And social distancing etc.
It’s such a shame you don’t have a job that depends on leaving the house. You would know there is nothing to fear if you continued working outside the home.

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Youreeavinalaff · 06/10/2022 20:11

Paragon: "The unfortunate truth is that in fact I do know more than most people, although it is unacceptable to say so"

FFS. Point proven 😆

Youreeavinalaff · 06/10/2022 20:24

Back to topic - I am sorry for those of you who feel they have lost family and friends due to this phenomenon. Covid has affected so many people, mentally and physically. It goes to show how deeply those 'stay home' messages from the government went for some people. I can't imagine not wanting to see my children due to a perceived, (yet negligible) risk to myself. There is no rhyme or reason, it's like a strange cult.

NoEffingWay · 06/10/2022 20:36

Having managed to read not all, but most of the conspiracy stuff (stopped and laughed at the goggles and face mask recommendation for the concert.

Tonight I have been climbing, to the supermarket, work and a shopping centre. Maskless and fancy free.

Never had covid for some reason. Also never been out with goggles and a FFP3 mask!

Sorry to derail your thread op, how's your Mum doing now she finally has the 'vid?

We are seeing more cases in hospitals again but not anything to worry about as yet, more annoying than anything else and staff are bored of having to not work when it feels like a very mild cold.

Paragon59 · 06/10/2022 20:44

IrmaGord · 06/10/2022 19:37

The tone you detect simply isn't there - this is because you are reading hidden meanings into things because that's how people who aren't autistic communicate but they don't apply with me on the spectrum

I don't think that poster was reading into any hidden meanings. You blatantly called people stupid for not adhering to lockdown any more. If that doesn't say you think you are somehow superior to the rest of us, I don't know what does.

No. Just seems stupid to me to be going around and getting infected and then doing so repeatedly. I never mentioned anything about lockdown there and didn't mean to imply that being out of lockdown was stupid. Some people don't have any choice, when having to go to work etc., and some are just unlucky to get the virus. However, given the lack of precautions people are taking, going around apparently as if normal life, no mask-wearing at all and not following what even the official public health guidance still says, doing this and getting infected does seem rather silly to me and people are not taking what measures are sensible that they could be doing in order not to be infected, so I do think many people are being infected because of their own fault and by doing things that I wouldn't risk, although people are just unlucky still and catch the virus despite taking all precautions, they are clearly many that are not doing such thing and can't properly be said to be unlucky.

If, despite taking all precautions they can, people still get the virus then that is unlucky and not their fault. However, (a) I doubt many people actually are doing this as it seems virtually everyone else is now going around as if it is completely back to normal (except when forced otherwise in medical settings etc.) and the sensible people are the ones in lockdown protecting themselves against all this; and (b) there are people that say they were taking all precautions but I am nearly convinced if I could have had video camera recording everything they did, I could immediately identify some tiny and pedantic failing that they did that is how the virus got through (so wasn't pedantic at all) which is something that I could almost never do (I can't claim to be perfect because I am not) and almost incapable of committing such failure since, apart from one momentary lapse as everyone can have when not fully concentrating, otherwise I am always aware of everything around me, at least when I need to be when not in my home (obviously don't need to take precautions here apart from not touching the quarantine before time or else washing my hands thoroughly after and not touching face, eyes etc. as the virus otherwise isn't here in my home if it is here at all - it is outside that I need to be aware and take precautions - I can drive and forget it when driving as safely in my car with a mask but... why do people get out of cars without a mask and then only put one on afterwards? Strange, they walk past people without and it is things like this that are potential for transmission even if thought to be unlikely, and I am all for shutting unlikely events off as they occur quite frequently somewhere. Numerous "unlikely" events have happened in recent years despite being supposedly unlikely.

I did in fact hesitate over writing "stupidity", so it was carefully thought about and considered and it did describe the fact it does seem stupid to me to be behaving as if it is normal life all back when away from home, which is what many people seem to be doing. I didn't say, or mean to suggest, anything about being in lockdown and I don't think being out of lockdown is stupid in itself, merely something I wouldn't do especially in the light of the continued infection rates that have increased risk and never brought it down to any level at which I could leave, other than for essential purposes, and my essential purposes extremely limited indeed, truly essential, as I don't do exemptions including having no need to do any that are considered to be socially desirable as I have no such need and no need to win friends or be influenced in any other emotional way as I am completely objective. I am, whilst constrained heavily being in lockdown, in some ways more free than I was before as no need to please people anymore, although clearly not free to call any individual "stupid" on here and I didn't do so. Just the completely normal life behaviour that seems stupidity to me given the fact there is still this virus here. And goes back to one of my original points, that people seem to have this cognitive dissonance of accepting and knowing the virus is here, on the one hand, and yet behaving completely contrary to what they know to be true by behaving as if it isn't and somehow thinking holding the most huge gatherings in my lifetime was what should be done - it is groupthink that's what it is, and the dismissal of myself and calling me mentally ill is part of the proof of it. I expect to encounter people in denial not accepting this is what it is, because this shows that it is in itself.

People do something because other people are doing it, and are uncomfortable at being the only ones wearing masks when no-one else is doing so. As soon as someone else puts one on, it makes them more comfortable to do so and be doing the right thing in a pandemic. I quite deliberately wear a mask by my own these days, having no need at all to fall in with any crowd or be influenced by it on some social basis, and quite a rebellious act of mine now, that forces people to be unable to deny the reality that it is still a pandemic, which is why they probably dislike it so much, and don't like being reminded of the truth. It may be why they go about in seeming normalism denial of it, the behaviour contradicting what they really know and something people perhaps need to do on an emotional level (as ever yet again) whereas I could almost never not know Covid wasn't here and behave contrary to it as just almost impossible. Or in fact many people wrongly assume I have Covid and are likely to give me a wider berth, which suits me fine as it gets them to be socially distanced and thus reduce the risk of them giving me the virus.

(Yet again right now, I am hearing someone on the news claiming we are coming out of the pandemic - people have been claiming this for months and months now, but showing me no evidence that we are actually doing so - the WHO statement will not do as that is not evidence, just what they said and they've now gone political for me on that - or even people claiming us to have already come out of the pandemic, whilst the truth is that we are going more and more into the pandemic again right now as infections are once again rising in another wave that shows we are part of the pandemic that is ongoing worldwide and our more infections again are part of it. Maybe some people in lockdown are aware of these facts and maybe why they are staying it in as it is getting more dangerous again right now, and more so for people not yet caught up with their boosters that don't resolve the transmission issue anyway as Omicron able repeatedly to infect and vaccines put behind by other people's behaviour in normal life for almost the whole of this year - I don't know, I am not sure when people generally upped and left lockdown sometime earlier this year, all I knew is that the risk remained throughout at unacceptable levels by increased amount of infected people in society, and myself keeping watching the ONS infections survey and paying attention to the data and acting according to it throughout and never any point at which it became safe, instead the situation simply deteriorated in Omicron as yet more infections and now attempted normalisation at these levels that are causing more deaths and disability than before and seem to be having us accepting more and more each year in the vaccinated era from now on in - I may have said this all before.

By April, people started then suddenly claiming, retrospectively, that we were post-pandemic which came as complete out of the blue to me and hasn't been true ever since as we've simply been going into and out of waves and back into more Covid again therefore all year and constantly in the pandemic and it has been more here than ever at points this year, more in the pandemic than ever with the highest infection levels to date and we are not coming out of the pandemic right now, especially as people on a mass scale in this country are doing no change to complete normal life behaviour to ever be doing so, we are right now going back more and more into the pandemic at this stage, due to the fact infections are rising again into another wave and therefore right now for me is a time to be even more staying in lockdown and not coming out and, even when the wave eventually goes back down, which this time I see as not coming down to the start but instead a further wave, the winter one yet to come, this is just the autumn one, still possibly two further winter waves after this one, this is the stupidity of going complete normal in which vast numbers of people seem to be in, even when infections coming down still at high rate and not the end so logically same position when up the wave as down it, until it reaches the start point, which I doubt this next one will, and certainly when infections now on the way up is the very time for me to remain in lockdown more so right now and wait for it to pass, even though I know people in this country are doing nothing and just causing wave after wave after wave, so I am waiting for this to show itself as an unsustainable way to keep going, which this winter might amount to the total calamity and devastation to end all the madness to me.)

As the wave is now here (barely after the last one) and infections rising again, the truth that people won't like and keep being in denial of when being shown on the media is that we are not coming out of Covid or the pandemic at present, instead we are currently going more and more into Covid once again and are going more into the pandemic right now as a wave within it of prevalence of the virus here in this country as part of a virus present in numerous parts across the world, therefore a pandemic. And no I am not allowing the WHO to redefine pandemic in terms of deaths being caused, which had reduced across the world but are probably going back up again or if not now soon, as I am not accepting redefining the meaning of the word "pandemic" as being a way to ending the pandemic given that people have failed to end in any other way and now seem intent on trying to redefine in terms of deaths as a way to then say they have "ended" it when in fact they have never done so. The WHO did mention deaths gone down, but that's not the definition.

People think I am conspiracy theory here, but look at official bodies and the false claims and misinformation/part information that they provide regularly, as it is information that is, often, there to make the organisations look good and to serve the interests of the organisation (it actually says so in the media policy one organisation released to me), rather than provide the full truth that is not in their favour. It is more rare that an organisation will admit to a fault and apologise (over the unusual issues I always have, that are public interest general issues and not individual complaints of bad service), I got one apology once but only after some inquiry had already been done, so no loss to the organisation probably in simply admitting the outcome of the official inquiry anyway and not over anything of real substance it seems to me, and I know I am on point and hit the nail on the head as anything like that results in omission entirely to address the point: silence tells me that I have hit the nail on the head, when every other matter is addressed that deflects from the point and gives the PR line of the organisation. It is now long-running experience away from here and my view formed on the basis of that experience and not a conspiracy.

Anyway, I am still in lockdown and right now, when infections are rising once again, possibly into a worse wave as doing into winter and behaviour currently one of three explanations as to why this is happening, it is possibly the worst time for me to think of coming out of my lockdown: it seems to me more and more justified at this stage as we are going into both more Covid and the pandemic right now, at the very time other people are continually claiming the opposite with no evidence and instead wishful thinking it seems to me... I've no evidence that we actually are coming out of Covid, unless people are using the word "Covid" in some strange sense that doesn't match reality, as we are in fact going into more Covid and Covid since there are showing to be more and more infections here every week right now and therefore more reason for me to be even more cautious than I am and I can't be any more cautious than already staying in lockdown except to not drop my guard and especially right now ensure I remain in it, as the infections are creating more risk right now and I'm not going to let my vaccine next week, which will reduce my risk by some unknown amount again, but really the risks from infection including mild infection, then putting back risk anyway by infection levels rising so increases the chance of getting the virus and is offsetting it so remains still at risk and no change: still in lockdown.

667TheNeighbourOfTheBeast · 06/10/2022 20:44

@Kissingfrogs25 @MrsSkylerWhite I am so sorry you have both experienced this and just want to send my heartfelt sympathies to others who have been affected too. I’ve given up reading this thread though as it’s been completely derailed. Please don’t think that it’s because your parents don’t love you enough, it’s not this but I understand that feeling of loss, like you said it’s a bereavement you can’t explain or grieve for but I know I have been grieving. I am not sure if it’s any comfort but it has helped me a little to know that I’m not alone in this situation as previously felt like the only one.

Paragon59 · 06/10/2022 20:51

So I didn't in fact blatantly call people "stupid" for not remaining in lockdown. If I were to have blatantly done that I would have said "People are stupid for not remaining in lockdown." It needs something like this to be blatant and direct by autistic standards. There is no mention of people being stupid for not being in lockdown and such wasn't intended to be implied. It is just doing completely normal life behaviour whilst a virus is around like this and around at these levels and then whilst they are now increasing again, that seems to be an exercise of stupidity to me and is something I plain don't understand as to why people are behaving in such a way on this mass scale that they seem to be doing, except that many people may be unaware of the facts that the virus is rising again so may be simply not informed or else if they do know then it seems stupidity. But it is just how it looks, whether or not they actually are being stupid. That's what I was saying, or I think I did. I couldn't understand how that was so as it seems stupid to me to be behaving this way - it was also just other people talking about people such as myself being irrational, in the face of the evidence that suggests autistic people more likely to be the complete opposite of irrational, that is also context in which other people's mass behaviour seems stupid as in irrational, although I don't judge individuals unlike people clearly judge me.

peaceandove · 06/10/2022 20:52

Paragon59 · 06/10/2022 16:10

My whole complaint is that no-one (else) cares so thank you for upholding it and showing myself to be true and correct.

Proves my point, or alternatively provides the confirmation bias that others will say I was always seeking.

It is actually shameful and disgraceful that no-one cares that they are putting me into indefinite lockdown by their continued unacceptable normality behaviour and are not prepared to make any changes, not even minor ones, to make this any other way. People do not care and are utterly ableist.

You could be standing alone in the middle of the Gobi desert, but you would still be hopelessly caged within your own mind. You really need professional help. I hope you find it.

IrmaGord · 06/10/2022 20:54

@Paragon59 you seem to be avoiding my question. Are you CEV? A yes or no will suffice.

Hobnobswantshernameback · 06/10/2022 20:55

Blimey what an utterly batshit merail
OP I'm really sorry you are going through this and other like you on this thread
its just crap x