Camilla Parker Bowles is now the Queen.

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That’s Queen consort, of course, but that idea is going to take a lot of getting used to.

I completely agree with this. Charles and Diana should have never been pressured into marriage....it was a terrible match and both of them made mistakes. Diana's death was tragic but did seem to propel her to "sainthood" where Diana = good and Charles = bad. Real life is messier and more complicated than that, Camilla was always the right woman for Charles.

I quite like Charles to be honest, he was ahead of his time on environmental matters. I like Camilla even more..... she's witty, intelligent, can laugh at herself and has done great work for charities. I certainly wouldn't want her job and she's never put a foot wrong.

When the Queen's father came to the throne and was crowned, how was his wife (the late Queen Mother) styled? Old film footage refers to The King and Queen.

She was styled as 'Queen Elizabeth'. After George VI's death, she was styled 'Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mother'. As a couple in his lifetime, they were referred to as 'The King and Queen' but she wasn't referred to as 'The Queen' in a solo capacity because she wasn't queen in her own right - it was 'Queen Elizabeth' if being referred to separately from her husband.

Thank you.

QEQM was HM The Queen while her husband was alive. She was HM Queen Elizabeth after he died, in the same way Queen Mary was HM The Queen, then HM Queen Mary and Alexandra was HM The Queen, then HM Queen Alexandra.

The Queen Mother name was only used in public to differentiate her from her daughter (Mary and Alexandra were also Queen Mothers, but it wasn't needed as the new Queen had a different name). It wasn't used in Court papers, for example because they were HM The Queen and HM Queen Elizabeth.

Camilla will be, barring any LP's saying otherwise, HM The Queen.

As far as I'm concerned the Queen dies with Elizabeth. Time after the mourning period for folk to say how they really feel about this dysfunctional family being head of state. In Scotland, there is a majority for a Republic.

The problem with a republic is what do you have to replace it? Having an elected president as Head of state isn't actually better.

Don't get me wrong I hate the idea of a hereditary monarchy, I think it damages the psyche of the nation by having some people being better than others just by birth.

But president Boris?

All the President push-backs look for the worse examples and anyway they would be voted in by a popular vote, so they would need more than 50% to win unlike the first past the post system where the winner takes all. Ireland seems to do well. A friend's mum who has reached the ripe old age of 100 was born in Ireland and has Irish citizenship. She got a lovely handwritten note from the President including personal details and a cheque for 2540 Euros from the Queen a standard printed card. She also got a photo from the Pope but the family had to pay 20 Euros for that !

The Queen can never be replaced or bettered and once the dust has settled I'm sure a robust debate will be had. I want to hope we could grow up as a country, have PR and be a Republic and heal the open wounds. Just imagine if King Charles announced he wanted to dissolve the monarchy end the dynasty and become a normal aristocratic family and backed PR - millions would cheer him. He could be our first President in honour of his sacrifice!

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Millions might cheer but even more would see it as a retrograde step. I was once republican minded but having a royal family as a non-political representative of all the people is a good thing. If we could just ditch Harry and his awful wife.

@Kellie45

They aren't non political
They just hide it
And Charlie does even do that particularly well

That's the problem though you can't ditch him and he is 5th in line and Andrew 8. William better take his grandmum's advice to fly all his family in the same helicopter ever again! Andrew apart from missing his mum who was rumoured to love him the most must be feeling very vulnerable now she's gone and one of Charle's urgent issues in his in-tray is what to do about him.

So now we are back to "have a go at Meghan ". Pathetic but predictable.

Camilla will be Queen Camilla not HM The Queen, surely?

I think we should all just give her the benefit of the doubt and judge on her deeds in the future rather than set her up to fail.

I think you monarchists can rest assured that no main political party will go there and it's not worth spending political capital fighting a lost cause. But Charle's as a 73-year-old is going to have to step up to the mark.

I've met her professionally, she was very nice. Far more down to earth than I was expecting.

Was it so hard not to add consort at the end of your title? Deliberate most likely

Nope. She’ll likely be known as Queen Camilla by the papers and the likes. But in court circular and the likes, barring any statement or LPs saying otherwise, she’ll be HM The Queen. Same as QEQM, Queen Mary, Queen Alexandra.

She’ll not be a Queen regnant, but the fact there is a King will show that. Not her title.

well if she would stop saying how awful it is to be in the royal family (the only reason anyone notices her) it might help.

Or just a distinction unimportant to the vast majority of the population?

They aren't better than anyone.

You have the wrong idea. It’s not that they are better than anyone else but the fact of the institution represents us. I would bow to the Queen because she represents the country. I would be now bow to the King because he represents the country. He is no better than me but it is what he represents. A politician is no better than me but it is what he or she represents

Yes. It’s so obvious it’s not something she brushes up on prior to attending an official engagement. You just know that when she says she’s had friends and family who’ve been victims that she‘s telling the truth and is well acquainted with domestic violence.

A great post@Kellie45 and one I think a lot of people don't really take on board.

Many people just see the palaces, money etc and think the RF live a life of riley. The Queen did a job for 70 years that I certainly would not want to do. What they don't seem to realise is that the RF might have wealth, but they don't have the freedom to just walk down the street, or pop to a shop. They live life in a fish-bowl. I personally would rather have a 'normal' life full of freedom rather than vast wealth/being surrounded by security 24/7.

You can't even really leave. It's not like William could sack it all and go and open a hotel somewhere or get an office job and become anonymous. Look at the dogs-breakfast Harry has made of 'leaving'.

No, PoW isn't an automatic title like the others. His title changes automatically (to Duke of Cornwall and Cambridge, and he also inherits another title I think) but PoW has to be conferred to him. Charles had to wait years to get the PoW title.

King Edward VII and Queen Alexandra; King George V and Queen Mary; King George VI and Queen Elizabeth - so why suddenly is the wife of the king to be titled Queen Consort?