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Big Dog - Going, going, not quite gone. Thread 14.

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Notonthestairs · 02/09/2022 11:46

Will it be Continuity Truss or "Socialist" Sunak in charge?

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DuncinToffee · 02/09/2022 19:49

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DuncinToffee · 02/09/2022 20:24

Exc: Taxpayers are footing the bill for Pannick’s legal advice disparaging the Partygate probe by privileges committee.

£129,700 contract for “legal advice” awarded last month and published today.

It went to Peters and Peters - who instructed Pannick.

Government sources have confirmed this contract was for Pannick's work. It covers legal advice from August to December 2022 - so presumably more to follow.

We're told the justification is it's a defence of Johnson's actions in his official capacity as PM

twitter.com/breeallegretti/status/1565761214206156807?t=WaqGKsIlPE7mgzGtqzS8aQ&s=19

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itsgettingweird · 02/09/2022 20:36

We're told the justification is it's a defence of Johnson's actions in his official capacity as PM

I'm surprised they think £129k is enough to defend his actions as PM.

I think most of them are indefensible. Even those legally defensible generally aren't morally or ethically so. Sad

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Notonthestairs · 02/09/2022 20:38

So the taxpayer did pay. No idea why. This is advice to a soon-to-be-backbench MP concerning a Parliamentary investigation into Parliamentary conduct, where any sanction would be against the individual, with no discernible implications for the Government.

twitter.com/raphael_hogarth/status/1565767018309115906?s=21&t=BYjeXLncoC2GXsIxOk7PkA

This doesn't work because he is being investigated as a Member of Parliament by his peers. It's not government business and it has no conceivable benefit to taxpayers, only him personally. twitter.com/breeallegretti…

twitter.com/samfr/status/1565767998014644224?s=21&t=BYjeXLncoC2GXsIxOk7PkA

He's really desperate to put the frighteners on the Committee isn't he?

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Notonthestairs · 02/09/2022 20:39

Always worth reading -

"The not-at-all devastating “devastating” Johnson opinion on contempt of parliament

My post on the underwhelming opinion published today

I hope you enjoy reading it, as I enjoyed writing it"

davidallengreen.com/2022/09/the-no…

aHR0cHM6Ly90d2l0dGVyLmNvbS9sYXddXVtbtwitter.com/law_and_policy/status/1565738717192527874?s=21&t=BYjeXLncoC2GXsIxOk7PkA andd_policy/status/1565738717192527874?s=21&t=BYjeXLncoC2GXsIxOk7PkA

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Notonthestairs · 02/09/2022 20:44

Worth thinking about why Johnson wants to sway the Committee -

If the Privileges Committee concludes that the prime minister deliberately misled parliament, there are a range of possible sanctions that it could recommend. These could include suspension from the Commons for a number of days. A suspension of 10 sitting days or more recommended in a report from the Committee on Standards would trigger a petition under the Recall of MPs Act 2015, and after some uncertainty the Commons Speaker has ruled that a similar recommendation by the Privileges Committee would have the same effect. Any sanctions recommended by the committee would have to be approved by a vote of the whole Commons.
www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/privileges-committee-investigation

It wouldn't look good if he's suspended or sanctioned and then wants to stand as leader again.

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medianewbie · 02/09/2022 22:37

Bigly Plaice matting.
Thanks for new thread x

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mibbelucieachwell · 02/09/2022 23:05

Thank you for starting this thread @Notonthestairs .

Sometimes I feel like I'm in a tiny minority of people who are furious at our corrupt, incompetent, vandalistic, fascist government. It's so good to know there are others who share my disgust and rage.

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L1ttledrummergirl · 02/09/2022 23:44

Have I got news for you Boris was quite funny tonight in a strange way. The last leg was quite interesting with it's summing up as well.

@Notonthestairs that's interesting reading.

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Novum · 03/09/2022 01:15

HIGNFY was excellent. Every Tory who claims to want Johnson back should be made to watch it and then explain why any of that is OK.

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itsgettingweird · 03/09/2022 08:04

L1ttledrummergirl · 02/09/2022 23:44

Have I got news for you Boris was quite funny tonight in a strange way. The last leg was quite interesting with it's summing up as well.

@Notonthestairs that's interesting reading.

Just got up and about to catch up on both those.

I'll comment when done!

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the80sweregreat · 03/09/2022 09:37

I just saw a trailer for a sky Atlantic drama about Boris Johnson with Kenneth Branagh
I haven't laughed so much in ages
The make up to look like him just looks so strange.
I haven't got Sky.

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Fladdermus · 03/09/2022 10:09

So he can't announce anything relating to stopping citizens starving or freezing to death, but he can announce bullshit fantasy policies about building new nuclear power plants, one a year for the next 10 years.

I really don't understand what reporters are doing. Why don't they push back and question him and hold him to account when he announces something which is clearly absolute twaddle.

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DuncinToffee · 03/09/2022 11:28

Just another day in Tory

¡Ex-minister Liam Fox gets donation from Covid test firm he recommended^
twitter.com/bbchealth/status/1565851561619849216?t=Nu8DYTjgLXl9Nwcj8rExFQ&s=19

Liam Fox recommended to Matt Hancock a testing company that went on to win £500m in COVID contracts.

That firm later donated £20k to Liam Fox.

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Blossomtoes · 03/09/2022 11:33

The Telegraph is very interesting today. It’s got a very sympathetic and positive interview with Wes Streeting and another with Neil Kinnock. Frankly I’m gobsmacked.

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DuncinToffee · 03/09/2022 11:35

Thanks for the David Allen Green blog Notonthestairs

"For all Johnson’s derision about “lefty lawyers” and his supporters’ attacks on legal aid “fat cats”, Johnson is very ready to use taxpayer money to find technicalities so as to frustrate processes."

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Notonthestairs · 03/09/2022 11:39

It is just another day in Tory.

Just checking if anyone knows the answer to this - do donations to individual MPs go in to the Constituency fund? Are they allocated to the specific MP or the local group? How are they spent?

I'm wondering whether those donations are specifically for re-election campaign funding?

Are Donors are paying to keep their woman/man in position?

Are there limits on how much you can donate to individuals?

I honestly think if we could get to the bottom of how parties and MPs are funded we would be halfway to cleaning up corruption in office.

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balalake · 03/09/2022 11:41

@Fladdermus if you ask an awkward question, you get banished from being able to interview the Prime Minister. Channel 4 News excluded from Covid press conferences, no ministers going on the Radio 4 Today programme for was it years, for example.

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Notonthestairs · 03/09/2022 11:46

I broadly agree with this from Max Hastings. But I suspect Truss is in too deep with the ERG to heed his advice.

twitter.com/thetimes/status/1565988169790660610?s=21&t=e-GNog3zT29A_M-cVg7WZA

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Novum · 03/09/2022 13:45

DuncinToffee · 03/09/2022 11:35

Thanks for the David Allen Green blog Notonthestairs

"For all Johnson’s derision about “lefty lawyers” and his supporters’ attacks on legal aid “fat cats”, Johnson is very ready to use taxpayer money to find technicalities so as to frustrate processes."

And you can bet that Johnson's lawyers aren't restricted to so-called fat cat legal aid rates.

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Blossomtoes · 03/09/2022 14:03

Of course they’re not, after all we’re paying. And apparently we have bottomless pockets.

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Downnotdown · 03/09/2022 15:27

Following the reports of the Queen not being well enough to travel and having to appoint the next PM at Balmoral, I'm rather hoping that the Queen is actually perfectly well and just can't be arsed to travel back to London.

After all the PMs she's had to endure throughout her reign, I'm quite sure she looks at Thick Lizzy and can't quite believe how low this country has sunk.

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BoreOfWhabylon · 03/09/2022 15:34

Thanks for the new thread @Notonthestairs

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the80sweregreat · 03/09/2022 17:45

It comes to something when even the Queen has had enough! I guess after 14 previous prime ministers and all the faff of leaving Balmoral she has probably thought' stuff it, they can come up here '! Good for her.

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itsgettingweird · 03/09/2022 17:52

Watched HIGNFY and Last leg this morning - can't remember who said it on what but they said the Queen is probably thinking that even at 96 she's going to outlive yet another PM if Truss gets in 🤣

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