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Ukraine Invasion: Part 30

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MagicFox · 28/08/2022 09:05

We're now on our 30th thread, thanks as usual to all who contribute.

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notimagain · 02/09/2022 20:37

For background on that closure, and to show they are nothing new a newsletter report from 2017:

thebarentsobserver.com/en/security/2017/10/large-areas-barents-and-kara-seas-closed-missile-shooting

As the article says the original warnings, as published and as promulgated usually sometimes contain a vague hint as to what's going on..e.g. ".Missiles shooting" or "high intensity air exercise"..

katem98 · 02/09/2022 22:19

Thank you for that @notimagain!

FrenchBoule · 02/09/2022 23:30

According to Polish news Putin went to Kaliningrad yesterday.
sStrangely enough there were 3 American B -52’s over Baltic sea around the same time.
1 landed in Poland.

MissConductUS · 03/09/2022 00:07

FrenchBoule · 02/09/2022 23:30

According to Polish news Putin went to Kaliningrad yesterday.
sStrangely enough there were 3 American B -52’s over Baltic sea around the same time.
1 landed in Poland.

They were just sightseeing, I'm sure. 😀

blueshoes · 03/09/2022 00:18

Putin was in Kaliningrad brainwashing Russian children with a distorted history lesson about Ukraine and Russian. His legs were twitching and he baffled his audience with a joke about rubber bums. Apparently, he chuckled at his own joke.

metro.co.uk/2022/09/02/putin-makes-bizarre-joke-about-rubber-bums-during-speech-to-children-17289789/

He might be losing the plot.

MissConductUS · 03/09/2022 00:53

This will cheer you right up. It's an analysis of Russian logistics and industrial capacity to rearm. Even if this is too optimistic, everything from artillery barrels to missiles to tactical vehicles are going to be too scarce to allow for even defensive operations. Let's hope this is spot on.

A farewell to arms. By year end Russia will be left almost without shells, artillery and armored vehicles

EmeraldShamrock1 · 03/09/2022 01:22

m.independent.ie/irish-news/fathers-shock-as-young-daughter-spots-submarine-off-donegal-coast-while-out-for-a-walk-41952614.html

[https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1662581/Royal-Navy-vessel-Russian-submarine-Irish-Sea-HMS-Lancaster-Marshal-Ustinov-Vjazma/amp]

Longterm lurker. This is concerning.

blueshoes · 03/09/2022 01:33

MissConductUS · 03/09/2022 00:53

This will cheer you right up. It's an analysis of Russian logistics and industrial capacity to rearm. Even if this is too optimistic, everything from artillery barrels to missiles to tactical vehicles are going to be too scarce to allow for even defensive operations. Let's hope this is spot on.

A farewell to arms. By year end Russia will be left almost without shells, artillery and armored vehicles

@MissConductUS Thanks for raising the spirits. Let's hope so. A Russian army without artillery is not much of an army.

MissConductUS · 03/09/2022 01:34

EmeraldShamrock1 · 03/09/2022 01:22

m.independent.ie/irish-news/fathers-shock-as-young-daughter-spots-submarine-off-donegal-coast-while-out-for-a-walk-41952614.html

[https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1662581/Royal-Navy-vessel-Russian-submarine-Irish-Sea-HMS-Lancaster-Marshal-Ustinov-Vjazma/amp]

Longterm lurker. This is concerning.

That type of naval activity is not unusual, but the submarine surfacing that close to shore is. They hate to be visible, so it probably indicates an operational problem. It sounds like the Royal Navy has things well in hand.

NATO ships do similar patrols near Russia.

Thanks for delurking.

EmeraldShamrock1 · 03/09/2022 08:37

@MissConductUS Thank you.

Ewetoo · 03/09/2022 08:44

As an Irish woman I fine this frightening. Simon Coveney hadn't been a great help either...

notimagain · 03/09/2022 08:51

I think generically we need to avoid getting worried about some of the stuff appearing on social media and in parts of the MSM that are almost designed to get anxiety levels climbing, such as airspace being restricted or the Russian Navy at work.....both are things that have happened on a daily basis for decades but suddenly it's become newsworthy/click bait.

I agree with @MissConductUS that Russian (previously Soviet) Naval activity around European coasts has always gone on, and that a sub surfacing relatively close to shore isn't a sign that the threat level is increasing....

Ewetoo · 03/09/2022 08:56

Also just how worried should ireland & Europe be about gas? Russia switched off the gas supply to Germany on Wed, said it was for two days for maintenance, now this morning they announced it won't be switched back on due to more "maintenance" & gave no date for it to resume... I'm no genius but I gather this ain't good for the winter?

katem98 · 03/09/2022 08:56

@notimagain That is so reassuring, always appreciative of your posts.

Natsku · 03/09/2022 09:12

Ewetoo · 03/09/2022 08:56

Also just how worried should ireland & Europe be about gas? Russia switched off the gas supply to Germany on Wed, said it was for two days for maintenance, now this morning they announced it won't be switched back on due to more "maintenance" & gave no date for it to resume... I'm no genius but I gather this ain't good for the winter?

Not good for Germany for sure, and other countries that rely heavily on gas, but it'll have a knock on effect for everyone I expect. But I would imagine this has been predicted and planned for (because its obvious to me at least that Russia would do this at some point, so surely was obvious to politicians?!)

MagicFox · 03/09/2022 09:21

This is an excellent thread explaining the energy cost situation in the UK: twitter.com/richardjmurphy/status/1564157639621312512?s=21&t=ut9XjrWiCoCvhSMJxwSkbQ

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JacquelineCarlyle · 03/09/2022 11:00

katem98 · 03/09/2022 08:56

@notimagain That is so reassuring, always appreciative of your posts.

I feel the same, thank you.

Ijsbear · 03/09/2022 11:27

ISW takeaways

Independent polling showed that a majority of Russians still support the Russian war in Ukraine.

Russian and proxy officials are solidifying their narratives surrounding the Ukrainian counteroffensive to claim it will debilitate the Ukrainian military.

Ukrainian officials reported that positional battles are underway in unspecified areas of Kherson Oblast and that Ukrainian forces are continuing to strike Russian ground lines of communications (GLOCs), logistics nodes, and reinforcement efforts throughout southern and central Kherson Oblast.

Russian forces conducted ground attacks south and northeast of Bakhmut and along the western and northern outskirts of Donetsk City.

Russian forces continued targeting Ukrainian rear areas along GLOCs and may be reinforcing the Southern Axis by reallocating equipment from Russian rear areas in Donbas and Crimea.

Ukrainian sources claim that Russia can pull an additional 300,000-350,000 military personnel from support units in Russia, Syria, Armenia, Tajikistan, Nagorno Karabakh, and Kazakhstan. These figures do not accurately represent the fact that support units placed into combat roles will not generate substantial combat power and are necessary for supporting combat, training, and other operations.

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💳U.S. President Joe Biden will request $11.7 billion in emergency funding from Congress to provide lethal aid and budget support to Ukraine, - Reuters.

Russia has destroyed or damaged 2,405 educational institutions in Ukraine since February; 270 of them are completely destroyed.

⚡️ IAEA chief says 2 mission representatives will stay at Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant.
During a press conference in Vienna on Sept. 2, International Atomic Energy Agency chief Rafael Grossi said those remaining at the plant are “very experienced” and will provide the agency with detailed information until the “situation stabilizes.”

⚡️Tkachenko: Part of German funding for Ukrainian culture will also go towards Russian opposition media.

⚡️RFE/RL: Russia plans to offer land plots in Crimea, Moscow region for military personnel.
All personnel participating in Russia’s war against Ukraine, including the military, certain FSB employees, doctors, and construction workers have received combat veteran status, meaning they can all receive land plots, writes RFE/RL.

⚡️Reuters: Lavrov, Russian delegation have not received US visas for UN visit.
Russia has not received any of the 56 visas it applied for in order for Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and his delegation to travel to New York for an annual session of the UN General Assembly on Sept. 13, Reuters reports.

⚡️ISW: Russian officials, proxies, bloggers pushing false narratives around Ukraine's southern counteroffensive.
Russian sources will likely continue spreading false narratives about a failed Ukrainian counteroffensive in the south in order "to exploit Ukrainian operational silence," according to the Institute for the Study of War

⚡️Tkachenko: Ukraine, UK developing project to strengthen broadcasting in temporarily occupied territories.
During a briefing with the Ukraine Media Center, Culture Minister Oleksandr Tkachenko announced that the joint project aims to deliver Ukrainian TV and radio to temporarily occupied territories. [this is important; a lot of people seem to be cut off and know nothing except through the Russian announcements]

⚡️General Staff: Ukraine’s Air Force conducts over 40 combat flights on Sept. 2.

⚡️UK intelligence: Ukraine’s advancing in Kherson Oblast has likely become a ‘tactical surprise’ for Russian troops. [see attacked UK Int Update]

⚡️Zaluzhnyi: Two Bayraktar drones destroy Russian military equipment worth $26.5 million in 3 days.

How Elon Musk’s Starlink satellite internet keeps Ukraine online (kyivindependent.com/tech/how-elon-musks-starlink-satellite-internet-keeps-ukraine-online)
The reason is Starlink, Musk’s satellite communication system that keeps many Ukrainians, most importantly the military, online despite power outages and Russia’s attacks on the country's internet infrastructure.

⚡️Thousands of fighters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine have already been trained abroad
According to the official representative of the General Staff Oleksiy Gromov, this is more than 4,000 servicemen who have received skills and knowledge in 14 countries of the world.
Of them:
▪️more than 2 thousand trained gunners;
▪️1000 specialists in MLRS and air defense;
▪️200 specialists in the repair of anti-tank weapons;
▪️100 soldiers for maintenance of radar systems.

⚡️Paul Massaro, Senior Adviser of the Helsinki Commission to the US Congress, arrived in the Zaporizhzhia region. He announced this on Twitter.

Spiegel: Germany has agreed with a nominee for the new Ukrainian ambassador submitted by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine. It should become the Ukrainian diplomat Oleksii Makeiev.

⚡️The Pentagon has created a "tiger team” to speed arms sales to allies to better compete with China — Wall Street Journal

Ijsbear · 03/09/2022 11:27

[ Photo ]
IAEA Director General Raphael Grossi first statement on the situation at the occupied ZNPP:

📌the physical integrity of the Zaporizhzhya NPP was violated several times, which is unacceptable;

📌six IAEA specialists remain at the station now, then their number will be reduced to two. The agency will ensure its permanent presence at the station and will remain there as long as needed. Grossi hopes that the presence of inspectors can be a "stabilizing factor";

📌the situation around the ZNPP is extremely complex; hostilities near the station are intensifying, so statistical probability of further physical damage to the station is high;

📌 IAEA specialists saw everything they wanted to see and will not allow a third party to manipulate them;

📌 Grossi will inform the UN Security Council on the results of the visit on Tuesday, September 6.

Ijsbear · 03/09/2022 12:38

H ffs I forgot to attach the reports.

twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/1565939458867871746?t=iulBF8ZpgtKLyGBH55bfmQ&s=35

Ukraine Invasion: Part 30
Ukraine Invasion: Part 30
Natsku · 03/09/2022 16:18

I'm glad two from the IAEA will be staying there. Just hope nothing happens to them.

MissConductUS · 03/09/2022 17:20

I quite like this article from the WSJ about Ukrainian tactics in the southern offensive. The WSJ is known primarily as a finance and business newspaper, but its coverage of politics and world events is top range. This was filed by their reporter in Kyiv.

Ukraine Sees Many Ways to Hurt Russia in Kherson Offensive - A string of small fights is more likely than a massed attack as Kyiv protects its troops

Sept. 3, 2022 7:10 am ET

Ukrainian officials say their military’s southern offensive is going slowly. They also say that is precisely the plan.

The announcement Monday of a thrust in the south raised hopes that Ukraine could reclaim territory Russia seized early in the war, including the regional capital of Kherson.

But success could take many shapes, say officials and Western analysts. Even without quickly regaining much ground, Kyiv can achieve progress by forcing Russia to expose its troop locations and supply bases, take a defensive posture and thereby appear weak or pull troops from other parts of the country. Ukraine can also gain intelligence about Russian formations, vulnerabilities and will to fight.

Ukrainian officials say they have neither the armor nor the manpower to make a quick advance. Instead, the military aims to weaken front-line Russian forces while also using long-range artillery and rockets, such as Himars provided by the U.S., to hit critical installations behind Russian lines such as command posts and ammunition depots.

Kherson sits on the west bank of the Dnipro River, which Russian troops must cross to enter, resupply or leave the city. Ukraine’s military says its strikes on bridges across the Dnipro and the smaller Inhulets River to the city’s northeast have largely cut supply lines to Russian forces in the city.

Russia has roughly 20,000 troops in and around Kherson, Western officials estimate, cautioning the figure isn’t precise. Trapping them could potentially force a surrender, allow Ukraine to decimate them or force them to flee. Whatever happens, Ukraine hopes to retake Kherson without having to engage in bloody street fighting.

Oleksiy Arestovych, a Ukrainian presidential adviser, called the strategy “the systemic grinding of Putin’s army.” He said Kyiv’s forces are working “to uncover their operational logistical supply system and destroy it with artillery and Himars,” a process that can take time.

“There’s no rush,” he said.

While Ukraine ultimately wants to evict Russian forces from Kherson—the city’s occupation is one of Moscow’s most significant gains since invading on Feb. 24—Kyiv could still boast of success if it retakes towns outside the city, captures or kills a large number of Russian troops or compels some to retreat.

The Kherson offensive also represents an element of Ukraine’s broader strategy to strain Russia’s entire invasion force, from around Kharkiv in the northeast to Crimea on the Black Sea.

By attacking in so many places, “you keep the Russians wondering where the Ukrainians are going to strike next,” said retired U.S. Army Lt. Gen. Stephen Twitty. “You want an unpredictable fight to keep the Russians on their heels.”

Gen. Twitty, who participated in Operation Desert Storm, said not to expect a massed attack.

“We’re going to see multiple locations of small units, which is going to wreak havoc on the Russians and is a great way to fight,” he said. But he cautioned: “In this type of fighting, you have to take a long-term perspective.”

Ukraine’s fighters may advance and pause to prepare for a subsequent attack, said Billy Fabian, a former U.S. Defense Department analyst. “You’re always thinking about the next operation.”

Ukrainian forces will move slowly because they are attempting an operation that military planners consider exceedingly difficult: dislodging an entrenched defender without overwhelming force or air superiority. Kyiv has a limited number of skilled or veteran troops and must deploy them across a vast front line. Ukrainian commanders want to put at risk the smallest number of troops possible.

Attempting “a deliberate storming of Kherson city would likely be a mistake,” said Jack Watling, a senior research fellow at the Royal United Services Institute, a British think tank, in an analysis posted Friday.

Instead, Ukraine is capitalizing on the region’s geography, aiming to push Russian troops against riverbanks. Ukrainian forces appear to be advancing on land from the north and west while increasing the tempo of strikes on bridges and supply facilities. Their goal is to starve Russian forces of supplies while closing in on them.

“We need the enemy to be unable and unwilling to resist effectively,” said Mr. Arestovych, the Ukrainian presidential adviser.

Russian attempts to retreat across the rivers would make rich targets for Ukrainian drones, rockets and artillery.

Ukrainian forces appear already to have retaken some small towns outside Kherson, according to open-source intelligence reports. Gen. Twitty said the incremental gains count as a tactical success because “these little towns mean a lot” to Ukrainians, who see compatriots liberated, and to Kyiv’s Western backers, who want to see progress against Russia.

Ukraine’s larger strategic objective of regaining its land and repelling Russian forces is vital because the war is likely to end in some form of negotiation, Gen. Twitty said.

“The long-term perspective is, the more gains Ukraine can make, the better off they will be at the negotiating table,” he said.

Digita · 03/09/2022 18:00

I think this is the right place to post. But correct me if I’m wrong. Didn’t want to start a new thread if one already going on the subject.

With that’s happening in Ukraine, should it be a concern that Russia has started war games with China and its allies?! Are war games like this normal?!

Why China and India are sending troops to Russia
Six months into its invasion of Ukraine, Russia is hosting joint military exercises with several countries, including China and India.

Russia starts massive war games with China and other ally states

Putin Brings China and India to Russia for War Games Defying US

Is this normal? If a sign of something sinister to come?

MissConductUS · 03/09/2022 18:38

@Digita , those games are held every four years

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vostok_2018

and are primarily intended as a show of strength rather than actual training for war.

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