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Fascinated by couple on plane with 7 DC

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GratefulMe · 10/08/2022 09:45

They were Americans. Fairly young parents, I'd say mid 30s. Everyone neatly turned out but nothing flashy. Children ranged from c. 13yo to a baby. Clearly all related, as they had identical distinctive colouring.

Mum was mostly seeing to baby and Dad maintained absolutely complete order with the others. He was very calm and softly spoken, but everyone did as they were asked when they were asked. There was no fussing or attention seeking.

Also, I thought it interesting that the older children didn't seem to have any childcare role, they were well behaved, but they weren't looking out for their younger siblings.

This continued whist waiting at the airport, during the flight and through passport control at arrivals.

How do you think they've achieve it?

Also what do you do for a living to be able to take 7 DC on trans Atlantic holidays?!

OP posts:
mathanxiety · 10/08/2022 17:31

I am in America and the mother of five DCs. Many of my American friends are also parents of families which would be considered large by MN standards.

First of all, I'd like to state that I have always found American children to be more calm, less 'giddy', less whiny (for want of a better word) and more independent of their parents than British children. There are definitely exceptions to the rule, but in general there is an expectation that American children will fall in with what the group or family is doing. This goes for families of average religiosity, hard-core religiosity, and none at all, and it goes for American families of all sizes. I've definitely seen badly behaved American children, but in general they tend to respond well to parents, caregivers, camp staff..

The biggest family I know have eight kids with about 18 months between each baby. Average religiosity - the parents are both only children and wanted the opposite experience for their family life. Father owns his own business. Mother sahm former nurse. One SN DC.

The key to their family's happiness (and they are a happy, well adjusted family) is fantastic teamwork in the parents, a shared idea of discipline, of the values they hold and wish to have the children absorb. There was 1-1 time between both parents and each child every week. The parents each got time off for themselves each week too. They used 123 Magic with consistency and success.

In general, their parenting was all well planned - definitely an 'all in' style of parenting. Neither of the parents ever shirked. The father was as involved as the mother in childcare and managing logistics. Both were very gung ho about taking the kids places both together and alone. The kitchen featured a huge family calendar, a big noticeboard with kid photos and drawings. Both parents volunteered in their kids' sports and made the effort to provide extra curricular activities and do all the schlepping that required. They went on long road trips long before tablets were a thing, stayed in cheap hotels for holidays.

We did too. The DCs brought books and walkmans and we listened to baseball on the car radio and played games like state license plate bingo. I'm talking about entire days in the car here. Ohio is a bloody enormous state to drive through, ditto Nebraska. Kids were expected to get with the programme and entertain themselves to a large degree, obv with some input as necessary from parents.

Clothes were second hand and handed down. In my community friends tend to hand clothes and winter gear on to each other - I put bags together for many friends and they did the same for me. Elementary school uniforms were handed around.

Many Americans tend not to be fussy about brands, or clothes with the odd hole or paint stain. Kids for the most part pick out their own clothes and dress themselves for school and for the summer and winter breaks. There isn't the same level of micro management of children's appearance that you find elsewhere. The comment that the children on the plane were well turned out is not one an American under age 80 would consider relevant.

I think if you plan to have a larger family you are aware that you're taking on a lot of work, and that you're going to be outnumbered as soon as your third child is born. You learn to look ahead to natural consequences for yourself of every decision you make in parenting each child, and you multiply that by a few digits more than the number of children you have because consequences grow exponentially in larger families. You can't afford to do the easy thing in the heat of the moment with one child if it's going to mean the other 4-5-6 or more are also going to end up clamouring for some treat or special treatment. When you say no you have to stick to your guns. You can definitely get away with more when your family is smaller because the effects are easier to manage.

The result of consistency is that children see they're being treated equally, there's fairness, you don't see a lot of competition or jealousy or grudges, and playing up isn't going to get you anywhere. Kids see themselves as a little tribe too, and understand that the tribe does things a certain way. It's a little like the way kids get used to being part of a large group in school.

NelStevHan · 10/08/2022 17:32

‘What's so exciting about an airport lounge @NelStevHan? Surely once you have seen one, you have seen them all!’

If you genuinely think all train stations, airports, ferries are the same and there’s nothing going on that would interest kids then you obvs don’t travel enough!

NelStevHan · 10/08/2022 17:35

‘First of all, I'd like to state that I have always found American children to be more calm, less 'giddy', less whiny (for want of a better word) and more independent of their parents than British children.’

Jesus wept. We have extensive US family,
including all the in laws nieces and nephews and I’ve never meet children as loud, whiny,
rude and entitled as American ( all be it mostly MC) kids.
my nieces and nephews are older teens and can barely wipe their own arses, never say please or thank you, never help out around the house or at holidays, there is NO pleasing them.

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ChagSameachDoreen · 10/08/2022 17:38

Mormon or Jewish.

mathanxiety · 10/08/2022 18:53

I think your American relatives are unusual, @NelStevHan.

The kids I know and observe are self sufficient, capable, and independent - and expected to be all of that - to a much greater degree than British children and from a younger age, ime, and I see more supervision of kids of all ages and less of the idea that teens are to be feared and mistrusted as a result. You don't see groups of teens roaming the streets until all hours.

Kids line up class by class outside schools or get dropped to preschool outside the school. Parents do not enter school buildings except for PT conferences or to volunteer. Kids take off their own outerwear and footwear, including snow bibs, gloves, hats, and put it all back on again /off again for recess and lunch and at 3. This happens even in regions where there are dire consequences for forgetting your gloves or hat.

Teens do a lot of babysitting and summer work minding children or working in summer camps, as well as other summer jobs. They drive at 16, and millions of them are away from home at university from 18. University can be two days or more away in the car. Children get three months of summer vacation and the majority get used to being pretty bored for a lot of that time. Millions of American kids live in apartments in cities and can't just run out to play in the garden. They get used to entertaining themselves and getting along with the other kids if they're put in a day camp, supervised by teenagers all day.

Meanwhile, I see many posts here from parents looking for ideas to keep children occupied for the very short British summer break or for the midterm breaks. The idea that kids need to be entertained 24/7 is one most Americans would hoot at. That's a tall order for three long months. I grew up in Ireland with long summer breaks too, and find it really odd that kids are not expected to just spend time doing very little or finding their own fun. I recall spending weeks riding my bike and playing with Lego, which is what my kids did with their friends too, and what I see the current neighbourhood kids doing.

Chakraleaf · 11/08/2022 11:42

NelStevHan · 10/08/2022 17:35

‘First of all, I'd like to state that I have always found American children to be more calm, less 'giddy', less whiny (for want of a better word) and more independent of their parents than British children.’

Jesus wept. We have extensive US family,
including all the in laws nieces and nephews and I’ve never meet children as loud, whiny,
rude and entitled as American ( all be it mostly MC) kids.
my nieces and nephews are older teens and can barely wipe their own arses, never say please or thank you, never help out around the house or at holidays, there is NO pleasing them.

I was going to say the same 😆

Ulovememore · 11/08/2022 11:46

I truly believe that if you are calm and reasonable with your kids they will grow up that way. Also, not spoiling them, asking them to help from an early age and respecting them and ask that they respect you too.

UndertheCedartree · 11/08/2022 17:26

Dalaidramailama · 10/08/2022 13:51

@Dweetfidilove

I guess because it’s quite rare to see a bunch of well behaved kids these days. So they do stand out.

If I have a kid behind me on a flight there’s a 99 percent chance she or he will spend a large portion of the flight kicking my seat. 🤦‍♀️

Kids love doing that and often they don’t get told not too. I’ve always told my small children to stop if they’ve been kicking the seat infront.

I have to say when mine were babies/toddlers while travelling on a plane with them on my lap there was a 99 percent chance the adult in front would put their seat back whacking my DC on the head! Unfortunately, no parent there to tell them to stop!

NelStevHan · 11/08/2022 17:56

‘I think your American relatives are unusual, @NelStevHan.’

I wish, but afraid not. I see colleagues kids, as well as relatives ( I work for a US company) but as I said because of work and family these are mainly MC and above kids.
I don’t have a lot of contact with the kids of blue collar people.

Bib1234 · 11/08/2022 18:06

I have 6 kids who are super at travelling and well behaved - we save and so without to give them treats and experiences etc - though we wouldn’t have had 6 if we couldn’t afford it to be honest

Evehymn · 11/08/2022 18:21

It’s a little unfair to say ‘low expectations’ regarding getting married young and having children. I married and had a baby young and personally feel like it’s the best thing I could ever achieve. It depends how you measure success I suppose!

FreyaStorm · 11/08/2022 18:30

£10 says they’re Republicans 😂

UndertheCedartree · 11/08/2022 18:43

Recycledcurtains · 10/08/2022 15:07

Ah we also don’t do screens. I absolutely hate them. We play games, have a chat etc. now don’t get me wrong, I’m not some sort of Mother Earth, but I am trying to show the children that every part of something is life, not just the bit at the end.

I think it also makes them a bit less reliant on this need for instant gratification. Yes sometimes stuff is boring, but you can always find something to do to ease the boredom!

That sounds great! I'd definitely like to do more of that with my DC. They're not glued to screens, I expect them to socialise but my youngest definitely wants a screen when she gets bored!

Solonge · 11/08/2022 18:59

Frankly what you describe is spooky. Children are not naturally quiet, orderly and obedient...Im a nurse and a kids nurse and have three of my own. Paediatricians are always concerned with a quiet, well behaved child that is intent on not being seen....there are usually good reasons for this type of behaviour...and its not the child being good, its the child being controlled.

Itsbritneybitch22 · 11/08/2022 18:59

Why do people think that in large families have the older children doing childcare?

UndertheCedartree · 11/08/2022 19:02

mathanxiety · 10/08/2022 18:53

I think your American relatives are unusual, @NelStevHan.

The kids I know and observe are self sufficient, capable, and independent - and expected to be all of that - to a much greater degree than British children and from a younger age, ime, and I see more supervision of kids of all ages and less of the idea that teens are to be feared and mistrusted as a result. You don't see groups of teens roaming the streets until all hours.

Kids line up class by class outside schools or get dropped to preschool outside the school. Parents do not enter school buildings except for PT conferences or to volunteer. Kids take off their own outerwear and footwear, including snow bibs, gloves, hats, and put it all back on again /off again for recess and lunch and at 3. This happens even in regions where there are dire consequences for forgetting your gloves or hat.

Teens do a lot of babysitting and summer work minding children or working in summer camps, as well as other summer jobs. They drive at 16, and millions of them are away from home at university from 18. University can be two days or more away in the car. Children get three months of summer vacation and the majority get used to being pretty bored for a lot of that time. Millions of American kids live in apartments in cities and can't just run out to play in the garden. They get used to entertaining themselves and getting along with the other kids if they're put in a day camp, supervised by teenagers all day.

Meanwhile, I see many posts here from parents looking for ideas to keep children occupied for the very short British summer break or for the midterm breaks. The idea that kids need to be entertained 24/7 is one most Americans would hoot at. That's a tall order for three long months. I grew up in Ireland with long summer breaks too, and find it really odd that kids are not expected to just spend time doing very little or finding their own fun. I recall spending weeks riding my bike and playing with Lego, which is what my kids did with their friends too, and what I see the current neighbourhood kids doing.

I have to say it is very normal in British schools that children get dropped at school rather than parents going in (never heard of this). At my DD's school you drop them at the gate from Y1 and they walk to their classroom independently (no lining up) and remove outerwear and put it back on (after all a teacher of 30 hasn't time!).

I agree that there does seem to be the idea of doing lots of entertaining with some parents. Although, it's always nice to do some activities or day trips. My DC happily entertain themselves at home or in the garden as well as hanging out with friends.

mybiggestfan · 11/08/2022 19:09

I was on a plane from London Heathrow to Manchester when Wayne and Coleen Rooney took the seats in front of me with their 4 children. They had just had a long flight from Washington and you would have expected the kids to be a bit hyper. They were a delight. They were all so well behaved and Coleen had them all seated with crayons and books, (not Wayne :-) ) whilst Wayne looked after the baby. Everyone is quick to call celebrities but I can honestly say the children were a delight even when we landed and had to wait ages for our luggage to be unloaded.

RockyReef · 11/08/2022 19:12

We also don't do screens and my children (only two of them) of 10 and 8 travel a lot and are well behaved and polite. They will read their books, play a card game with me or each other, chat quietly etc. They don't interact with their father much when we're travelling, so I wonder if people think they are scared of him? The truth is much less dramatic - he is a fussy worrisome traveller and we have all learned that he is better left completely to his own devices whereas I enjoy looking after the children when we're doing the travelling part. I have several friends in America who are Mormons (not fundamentalist Mormon) and they all but one have large families of 6-10 children and all are well behaved and disciplined but also very happy. There's no beatings and no fear of parents, it's just expected behaviour in their communities. I would think it odd though that the children the OP observed weren't interacting with each other much.

Isinglass20 · 11/08/2022 20:05

I notice that French /Italian children know how to behave in restaurants. No running round under feet of waiters, disturbing other diners by squealing, know how to eat at table, hold a conversation. Some British families are a total embarrassment

cherish123 · 11/08/2022 20:08

I suspect the key is to be quite relaxed, calm and clear expectations. I see a lot of parents fussing over children, pandering to them or in a tizzy. I think it makes children kick off/be entitled.

canonlydoblue · 11/08/2022 20:19

We are a UK church family with six children. We go to a church run by an American family with five children. They often have visiting preachers from the states who bring along their large families. UK large religious families and USA large families are in no way alike!

justasking111 · 11/08/2022 20:33

cherish123 · 11/08/2022 20:08

I suspect the key is to be quite relaxed, calm and clear expectations. I see a lot of parents fussing over children, pandering to them or in a tizzy. I think it makes children kick off/be entitled.

I'm a great believer in benign neglect which drives OH mad he likes to push cajole our offspring which exhausts and frustrates him and achieves little.

Strangeways19 · 11/08/2022 21:29

YouSoundLovely · 10/08/2022 10:35

Tbh, I'd assume a degree of fear to play a part, especially since it was a quiet and subdued (rather than engaged and chatty) type of good behaviour.

This.

LoisLane66 · 11/08/2022 21:55

I had/ have 5 children and they were never asked or expected to 'nanny' their siblings nor were they ever even slightly badly behaved . I was able to take them on coach trips, airlines and car travel on my own, even as babies.
I had no particular rules, just the same manners and behaviour as was expected at home.

liveforsummer · 11/08/2022 22:52

canonlydoblue · 11/08/2022 20:19

We are a UK church family with six children. We go to a church run by an American family with five children. They often have visiting preachers from the states who bring along their large families. UK large religious families and USA large families are in no way alike!

Could you expand on that? I'm genuinely interested in the difference