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Jack monroe challenged on twitter

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KarlWrenbury · 02/08/2022 13:42

Maybe by a sock puppet account Etc but yes- how are they still not making ends meet after all this time ?

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Ilovefluffysheep · 02/08/2022 16:16

PollyDarton1 · 02/08/2022 16:09

As I can't edit - I apologise for using conflicting pronouns. She should be they/their, unless JM now refers to themselves as she/her.

She does refer to herself as she/her.

I wish there was a like button, your post is great.

The people on here who think she is wonderful clearly aren't on twitter enough to see the inconsistencies, or take at face value blog post etc.

Her own posts have been used in 'takedown' thread on twitter to show just some of these many, many inconsistencies she puts out.

Branleuse · 02/08/2022 16:19

Hallamus · 02/08/2022 15:53

@Branleuse if you had read my post properly you would see it was her claims of poverty that I find insulting.

I am not saying her having done a blog post is bad, I am objecting to the contents of it, and other claims she has made. Not so hard to understand, surely?

She says its hard because its the longest shes lived somewhere and it feels like home, but will likely have to move.

Yeah well, plenty of us have had no fucking choice about that. My son has moved nine times in his short life due to housing insecurity.

So? Ive had to move home too and been in poverty and been homeless. I didnt write a blog post about it because im not a blogger or a writer, but if i was, then i would.

NashvilleQueen · 02/08/2022 16:20

She says that this property is taking so much of her money because she got it with her ex, but couldnt get out of the contract.

There's no lease that requires you to stay on in a property for two years after your partner leaves. It just isn't true.

Branleuse · 02/08/2022 16:20

PollyDarton1 · 02/08/2022 16:05

OK, this might be long but for disclosure - I was once a massive JM fan. Donated, bought books, used recipes and tweeted supportive comments during their low moments. I am not a TERF, nor a Tory - I'm possibly middle class, however I've been in moderate poverty before albeit without a child - these are all claims that JM supporters are purporting. Her campaigning for poverty and general political ideologies are ones I wholeheartedly support and have encouraged in the past.

In 2017 I noticed a myriad of inconsistencies in JM's stories on Twitter. Due to their mental health, and as a MH sufferer myself, I felt JM would benefit from taking some extended time away from social media as it became rather chaotic and they were being trolled. I found some of their content quite triggering so unfollowed - when Tin Can Cook came out I bought it and refollowed their account as I was in a better place.

Inconsistencies persisted. I could list a number of them here, but JM oscillated between being so unspeakably poor to being able to purchase large and expensive branded products. One minute JM was crippled by the numerous alignments they had, and the next they were claiming to walk 25k steps a day. They started a vicious pile on Jamie Oliver when he was granted a lockdown TV show, and targeted David Walliams (who I agree seems problematic) and accused him of cocaine usage. Tweets were furiously posted, followed by mass deletions when regular users (i.e.; not trolls) questioned discrepancies in accounts. JM slated subtly their partner (Louisa) who decided to leave during lockdown, and then acquired a very sick kitten who despite countless well meaning users advising her to have the kitten PTS as it was very clearly dying, JM insisted she knew best and was throwing all the money she had (whilst subtly hinting at requiring funds to do so) at sustaining the kittens life despite the vets advice. The kitten ended up dying as expected, alone in JM's bathroom, and they then proceeded to make a monetised YouTube video dedicated to it. I believe around this time JM claimed again to have no money, but then took a long break in Edinburgh including paying for the rather expensive Calledoian sleeper train.

Following this (summer 2020) JM created a Patreon with a variety of different tier's which all indicated that donating to this would subsequently result in donators receiving various "gifts". To date, no gifts, or indeed updates on where said gifts are, have been received by Patreon's. People have rightly questioned either the lack of gifts or updates, and to date JM has over 750 subscribers paying at the bottom tier, £3.50 a month - some far, far more.

JM's poverty cosplay entirely undermines the huge importance of their message(s). There is a lot of doubt as to whether JM was as unspeakably poor as she claim(ed) as her father is a wealthy (and MBE honoured) businessman (properties I believe) and her son's father has even had his own article in the Guardian written by JM speaking about how wonderful he is. JM also alludes to being a single parent endlessly, however their child (referred to as SB on Twitter) lives almost exclusively with his father. In the last week, despite repeatedly declaring that their Twitter receives death threats, rape threats and other unspeakably vile messages (which are abhorrent and should happen to no one), JM has suggested (and subsequently deleted mention of) that they will be handing over their SM to their 12 year old child to monitor and assess who becomes "friends" with their account as part of a summer holiday pocket money, resplendent with the token emotional blackmail that nobody should tweet JM aggressively as they will be seen by a "small child" (who at various junctures is either a tiny boy, or a strapping teenager).

In the same quarter that JM has claimed to be in a position somewhat like they started off with (the timing of the blog exactly ten years on from "Hunger Hurts" no less) they have enjoyed two overseas holidays, was supposed to be going to Glastonbury, has purchased a designer puppy (upwards of 2k) which is evidenced by their tweeting of visiting the litter, has had their hair braided and styled at Toni and Guy, has claimed that they will be buying the house they live in, in the future, and also claimed that as part of their ongoing sobriety, they have been putting a daily nominal amount into a savings pot (of which they have accrued a "decent" amount) that would have been spent on alcohol so they can take their child away on holiday. JM has then, in the last week, tweeted evidence of their accounts, minus this savings pot referred to within the last 10 days. To then blog about the crushing poverty they are experiencing again, and having to downsize from a (4 bedroom) property to a small flat (reminder - JM lives alone) and subsequently reference a place they can donate money to is disingenuous at best, and emotionally manipulative at worst.

Forums like Tattle have a lot of (correctly levied) criticism. They can be an incredibly toxic and horrific place to read. However, there is a detailed dossier on there of the various inconsistencies and variation in storyline by JM. Most of the people posting are more angry at the repeated lies and failure of disclosure whilst rattling a tin for money, and just want JM to get some serious help. A lot of them have genuine sympathy for JM and feel that they just needs some therapy (JM was actually an inpatient at rehab sometime last year and took an extended SM break, however appears to have come back more unstable that before) and to just be honest to alleviate the constant criticism.

It is with my sincerest hope that this recent situation will allow JM to take some time with the money they have accrued and look to directing their brilliantly advocating voice to some good, rather than persist in needing to fabricate stories to illicit sympathy and/or interest. It's not necessary - their voice is sound enough and I welcome the time JM is able to harness their inner strength and recover from this. I (and others I suspect) just have real concerns about the vulnerable in society (one person donated part of their winter fuel fund for a JM tin rattle) contributing to a person who continues to persist in creating false narratives.

Faux concern. Also bullying

PegasusReturns · 02/08/2022 16:20

What’s the story with the kitten?

Bubblebubblebah · 02/08/2022 16:23

sobeyondthehills · 02/08/2022 15:59

For those saying Molly has done alot of research, most of that is on another website, I believe, she has just put it altogether on twitter.

And for those saying she has done good, alot of her followers are people on benefits, on the poverty line and struggling and it seems every other week, she is asking for money. She is not asking, her parents, who seem to have a fairly comfortable life, she is asking people who are deciding between food and electricity. What is good about that?

People want to support her, because they feel that someone is finally speaking for them and no one wants to believe they are being scammed

Resembles religous preachers in some places around the world doesn't it in the money taking way

CuriouslClaire · 02/08/2022 16:23

I don't think there's anything new in that twitter thread. I'm sure I've seen or read most of that on a Wikipedia page that we were talking about in a group chat I'm part of a few months ago. We all liked jack's message but things didn't add up and the wiki filled in the blanks. Quite a few people have been thinking for a while jack monroe should be given a wide birth.

mirax · 02/08/2022 16:25

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Branleuse · 02/08/2022 16:25

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 02/08/2022 15:57

Well, I hope it isn't removed. One of the things people value Mumsnet for is finding out what other people think about products, services and issues. In this case anybody currently handing over money to Jack or contemplating doing so has been given some extra information to consider, which might affect their decision. Why would it be better for that information to be suppressed?

Opinions on products services and issues is fine, but a character assasination of an autistic woman who writes food books and blogs and wishing for her downfall is not the same thing, esp interjected with faux concern over her mental health.

One is product reviews, the other is bullying.

ermagerdabear · 02/08/2022 16:26

For those who think Jack Monroe has 'done much good', could you please elaborate as to what she's actually achieved over her 10 years in the public eye, apart from tweeting up to 12 hours a day?

JohnPrescottsPyjamas · 02/08/2022 16:26

If you’re struggling with MH, get off SM!

Or does she also have the need for the ‘there, there’ feedback from others?

I’m afraid SM - particularly Twitter - is a savage place for anyone high profile. If you’re going to put it all out there and open up your whole personal life online, you’re inevitably going to get negative as well as positive feed back. Posting about struggles with MH, ADHD and autism doesn’t automatically get anyone a free get out of jail card unfortunately.

Branleuse · 02/08/2022 16:28

ermagerdabear · 02/08/2022 16:26

For those who think Jack Monroe has 'done much good', could you please elaborate as to what she's actually achieved over her 10 years in the public eye, apart from tweeting up to 12 hours a day?

Shes written some really great books with recipes for people on the breadline. Shes brought lots of attention to some of the issues surrounding food poverty.

Not that she has to answer to you

MineIsBetterThanYours · 02/08/2022 16:29

She doesn't seem to actually DO anything? Most people would use their profile to earn money - either she hasn't worked to do that or hasn't managed to... She hasn't leveraged it effectively.

Has it not crossed your mind that making money, as much as she can, has never been in the top of her agenda?
See the fact she has and is still giving a lot of her books away, eg with food banks

Thornethorn · 02/08/2022 16:29

What a catty thread.

Branleuse · 02/08/2022 16:30

JohnPrescottsPyjamas · 02/08/2022 16:26

If you’re struggling with MH, get off SM!

Or does she also have the need for the ‘there, there’ feedback from others?

I’m afraid SM - particularly Twitter - is a savage place for anyone high profile. If you’re going to put it all out there and open up your whole personal life online, you’re inevitably going to get negative as well as positive feed back. Posting about struggles with MH, ADHD and autism doesn’t automatically get anyone a free get out of jail card unfortunately.

Or people could just stop being cunts to people.
Its hardly asking for a get out of jail card to expect not to be bullied online.

ermagerdabear · 02/08/2022 16:33

Opinions on products services and issues is fine, but a character assasination of an autistic woman who writes food books and blogs and wishing for her downfall is not the same thing, esp interjected with faux concern over her mental health.

One is product reviews, the other is bullying

She's self diagnosed as autistic and claims she cannot lie, which is a lie in itself. She is also a horrible, vicious bully who has caused many a dog pile on Twitter against fellow blue tickers and non-famous people. It's hardly a character assassination when we are discussing actual evidence of the discrepancies in Jack's stories, which are basically her own words.

ermagerdabear · 02/08/2022 16:34

Or people could just stop being cunts to people

Ironic. Do you think you're claiming some kind of moral high ground here?

MineIsBetterThanYours · 02/08/2022 16:34

Monroe's Patreon alone has 700 subscribers who pay at least £3 a week each, so from that alone they are bringing in AT LEAST £2,100 a month and that's on top of her journalism and book sales.

Ok, first of all if one self employed person is making £2100 a month they are not EARNING £2100 a month. She will have costs associated with running the Patreon alone for example, creating the recipes etc….
As a self employed person, I have been earning around 50% of what I am making.I have other costs (rent is a killer for me) but I suspect about 30% is cost to run her business. Maybe more.
So that would be, around £1500 BEFORE tax maybe? Hardly a high income.

Second regarding all her TV appearances, she has said agin and again that she is either paid peanuts or that she is giving it away to charity. You might disagree with hr choice but that will go a long way to explain why she is earning as much as you think she is

NeverDropYourMooncup · 02/08/2022 16:35

MineIsBetterThanYours · 02/08/2022 16:29

She doesn't seem to actually DO anything? Most people would use their profile to earn money - either she hasn't worked to do that or hasn't managed to... She hasn't leveraged it effectively.

Has it not crossed your mind that making money, as much as she can, has never been in the top of her agenda?
See the fact she has and is still giving a lot of her books away, eg with food banks

I do remember that - it wasn't giving away books, it was asking people to buy one copy for themselves and/or buy one copy that would be sent to foodbanks. Which isn't really the same thing, although it is an astute marketing tactic in terms of both PR and in the additional sales.

ComtesseDeSpair · 02/08/2022 16:36

If she’s genuinely getting the abuse and death threats she claims then that’s completely unacceptable. But you can’t tell outright lies on the internet, beg for money based on those lies, and then claim it’s “bullying” when people question why there are so many contradictions in what you’ve said or indicate to evidence which proves you have been telling lies.

JohnPrescottsPyjamas · 02/08/2022 16:38

Branleuse · 02/08/2022 16:30

Or people could just stop being cunts to people.
Its hardly asking for a get out of jail card to expect not to be bullied online.

I don’t disagree, but we know every comment on SM can’t be policed. There’s a lot of individuals out there that post comments online that they would never say in person. It’s not good, but it’s a fact. I don’t consider myself particularly emotionally fragile, but I’ve had to take breaks online from a FB page I help admin because some of the rhetoric from people can be really spiteful.

BornIn78 · 02/08/2022 16:38

Branleuse · 02/08/2022 16:28

Shes written some really great books with recipes for people on the breadline. Shes brought lots of attention to some of the issues surrounding food poverty.

Not that she has to answer to you

You have obviously never made or eaten any of her recipes. They are an utter waste of perfectly good ingredients. Unpalatable.

A treat for your teeth though, no chewing required. I’ll give her that.

BornIn78 · 02/08/2022 16:39

There’s a lot of individuals out there that post comments online that they would never say in person.

Yes, Mx Jack Monroe being a prime example of such a person.

BemusedBrenda · 02/08/2022 16:40

I'm finding the accusations of bullying towards people on this thread who are criticising Jack Monroe really weird. It's still ok to have an opinion about high profile people based on things they say and do! That's just being human, we judge other people all the time and it's not bullying to call people out for bad behaviour. Anyone in the public eye knows that lots of others (especially on social media) will be paying attention to what they're up to. Personally I don't think she seems like a very genuine or likeable person and the recipes I've tried of hers are not very good. It's not bullying to say that.

MineIsBetterThanYours · 02/08/2022 16:40

Tbh some of those posts are distasteful.

Regardless of what you think about her as a person (and I get she might nit be your cup of tea), this is a single mother, autistic, (just) recovering alcoholic. She has also has been self destructive in the past and has said numerous times she is still mopping up the debts she created when she wasn’t well.

The fact you dint like the way she writes shouldn’t be a free for all to say she is lying, that she ought to be earning more (implying she is carp - how can not she earn more with her fame?) etc….

All that is part if her private life. The fact she is actually telling a lot about herself is clearly used to beat her with the sticks people THINKS she has given them. (Aka judging her) It’s crap imo.

Because one thing she has done that no one on this thread has done is to raise the profile of ordinary people and to show how hard things can be. She also has been good at giving tips, recipes etc… to help people. Tbh, that’s what we should be concentrating on. Not her private life (however well or not she is managing it)

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