Jack monroe challenged on twitter

[KarlWrenbury]

Maybe by a sock puppet account Etc but yes- how are they still not making ends meet after all this time ?

I actually went back to the Monroe v Hopkins judgment, which is not too long as far as they go. Can’t see references to sock accounts?

I don’t think I’d realised that KH’s tweets were only up for a couple of hours. Expensive mistake.

As dodgy as she is, more like. I don’t think many have unrealistic expectations of what she can do - if anything it’s the opposite, where many of her weird followers seem to exalt her for doing very, very little. Of course responsibility for the criminal levels of poverty and inequality we have lies with government, but that’s not to say that grifting, lying and taking advantage of as many as they can shouldn’t be called out either.

That pasta dish looks horrible. Sorry.

I'd forgotten about that. No wonder people were accusing AM of being KH, although they patently aren't.

I guess KH is still paying off those costs.

I've seen actual Italian chefs make that cheese and pepper pasta dish and they used orzo pasta, so it cooked super quickly. Surely even a bag of orzo pasta would equate to several tins of spaghetti hoops and work out cheaper in the end. Depending on your cooking facilities, microwaving can be the most expensive way of cooking things. Also food banks are known for having loads of pasta, to the point where they have to ask people to donate other things.

My main issue with the hoops dish is that tinned spaghetti is cooked so that it's like slime. It literally requires no chewing at all. You could drink it. So a pasta dish that should be al dente will be like a big sloppy mess.

Also food banks are known for having loads of pasta, to the point where they have to ask people to donate other things

EXACTLY. A packet of pasta would also feed more people/give bigger portions. From the way Jack is talking, you'd think food banks are forcing people to take tins of spaghetti hoops home with them. I'm sure it you told them you couldn't face another tin of hoops, they'd give you something else rather than tell you to rinse the sauce off (which is a monumental waste of time and energy).

Obviously the conversation everyone should be having is about asking food banks what they want. Rather than people being given food they don’t like and people having to do ridiculous and frankly revolting things with them. ‘You hate tinned pasta, it’s fine, you can rinse the sauce off’.
personally I think it’s horrid.

Sorry you felt like you had to leave Twitter, even temporarily @cod. You're absolutely right though, she knows exactly what she's doing and you're not the first person she's done it to either. She's a twat.

Apologies I was wrong on that, he made the point of the mass deletion of tweets, making it very difficult to prove which abusive tweets were directly in relation to what Hopkins had posted. I’ve seen Jack’s sock accounts in action, I remember her tweeting about forgetting she was on her ‘main account’ and they were out in force over the latest Twitter ‘storm’.

I think she also admitted she was spending every waking moment on Twitter. Doesn’t seem like much has changed.

I also dislike that she lashes out anyone who even gently questions her logic and tells them to make huge donations to food banks. It doesn't seem to cross her mind that any of her critics might have known poverty or be living in poverty.

Yeah that's not quite true, tbf, from my recent experience helping a FB with a project. Probably for another thread but she does have a point about pasta. It depends on your current level of poverty as to how useful "ingredients" are

And they do get overrun with cheap things because people can buy more of them and feel more benevolent. (That's not meant as a criticism of anyone's kindness, BTW I have done it too.)
Buy 10 tins of 23p hoops/ beans / packet spaghetti because it feels like you're offering more than 2 Tins of Stewing steak.

There's a lot of Smartprice hoops on the shelves and not always a choice of something else that doesn't need additional effort/ fuel/ equipment etc.

But still. The untruths need to get addressed

To her supporters here - again, what does she do apart from shout on Twitter? Her recipes are horrible. She can't cook. Her political essays are barely sixth former level. She doesn't engage with food bank users or actual poor people, preferring to suck up to celebrities. Her poverty backstory is dubious. She's nasty and vindictive to people who question her. She is a grifter and a scammer, rinsing money out of people who don't have much.

Seriously, what does she do that makes you support her?

Well we are assuming the people targets for this recipe have some money since the recipe calls for spending even more on butter and cheese.

I don't think anyone who has not an extra penny and energy would be twatying around throwing away half of the meal.

As pp said, spaghetti hoops are very soft anyway, they'd be really mushy and cooked to the point of disintegration. It strikes me as some sort of bland cheesy gruel. Much nicer to have the spaghetti hoops on toast with cheese grated over, or even just a bowl of them with cheese.

What is her point about pasta @Gr33ngr33ngr4ss? I'm not sure.

I use an app called "Bank the Food" which my local foodbank are signed up to. It tells me which items are most in need (red), which are a middling need (Amber) and which items they have a glut of (green).

Pasta is always green!

I buy items I'd be happy to use.

If nothing else maybe everyone on this conversation (who can afford it) could donate to their local foodbank.

It's not got to the stage where we can donate just after payday but my mid month we're being more careful than before.

@RomeoOscarXrayIndigoEcho thank you for the heads up about this app - I had no idea it existed! I've just downloaded it

She hasn't got a clue what her point is at this point. The hoops recipe veers between talking about food banks giving out loads of hoops and people who're buying hoops because they can't afford the extra 10p for dried pasta but it turns out that it's actually for people who don't have a hob or are too skint to use their hob.

As long as they do have a cheese grater, a sieve/colander and handy pinches of salt and pepper knocking around, and have invested £3.65, not an insignificant sum of money when you're struggling for money, in a block of cheese, of course.

I can’t answer the question because I don’t disagree with any of what you say. An awful lot of her followers and supporters are also very unpleasant to anyone who questions her and she usually ignores the pile ons.

Rather than adding to all the negativity, because her latest is that she can’t make a living doing whatever it is that she does, I’ve been trying to think what she’s good at and what she could do from here on in.

Her skill, IMO, is attention seeking and garnering support. She could apply for a job as a charity figurehead, however, I’d caveat that with strict management, as she is polarising and a very loose canon, prone to misinformation and contradictions. Reputation management for the charity may also become an issue.

Of course, whether she’d accept such a role, or whether she’d still consider herself underpaid, are two more question marks.

She could apply for a job as a charity figurehead, however, I’d caveat that with strict management, as she is polarising and a very loose canon, prone to misinformation and contradictions.

Which would make her a terrible candidate for the position and those roles are voluntary anyway.

I was thinking paid Campaigns Manager for one of the bigger charities, but, yes, the caveats would make it unlikely from both sides.

Was trying to be generous given all the circumstances. From what I’ve seen I don’t think cooking, writing or presenting are going to get her much further in such a competitive market. Certainly not to a lifestyle she craves. Arguing on Twitter isn’t really a big career plus is it and must surely be burning a lot of boats with brand partnerships.

Do you have particilar charity in mind?😂 What horrible things they done to you that you would even suggest this job🙈