Jack monroe challenged on twitter

[KarlWrenbury]

Maybe by a sock puppet account Etc but yes- how are they still not making ends meet after all this time ?

I hope it is removed. Ive reported it

@Branleuse if you had read my post properly you would see it was her claims of poverty that I find insulting.

I am not saying her having done a blog post is bad, I am objecting to the contents of it, and other claims she has made. Not so hard to understand, surely?

She says its hard because its the longest shes lived somewhere and it feels like home, but will likely have to move.

Yeah well, plenty of us have had no fucking choice about that. My son has moved nine times in his short life due to housing insecurity.

Mean income for an author is something like 6.5k per annum

And there'll always be peaks and troughs as well, if your last book didn't do quite so well, or it's a while until your next one comes out, maybe. Or your publisher drops you and you've got nothing lined up.

Any writer who makes a good or even adequate living solely from the income from their books is doing well.

Which is why many authors have other jobs. Whether it's a regular day job or jobs related to writing, such as teaching writing courses. If JM isn't making enough from her/their books, she/they can do the same.

I don’t think trauma or neurodiversity are excuses for making false representations about your financial situation and personal background so that people send you money. There will be many traumatised, neurodiverse people following Jack and being taken in by the charade, many of them genuinely poor. If I remember correctly, she received a number of donations towards that kitten from fans whose own financial circumstances weren’t great - including people reliant on UC or the state pension. And whilst yes, the mantra that people should only give what they can afford remains true and it’s up to people to be exercise caution about whether somebody online really is who they say they are, the fact that Jack has such a high profile and receives endorsement from celebrities and the media lends her an air of credibility which is likely to lead many people, including vulnerable people, to believe that she is legitimate and a worthy cause to donate to.

Can someone link to the relevant Twitter thread, please? I can see her mentioning it but I can't find the thread itself.

@Branleuse She is self diagnosed as autistic 🙄

The lies are dreadful! She has obviously forgotten what she said and made up various stories in order to boost her poverty appeal.

I think this is why TV won’t touch her with a barge pole.

I followed her for a little while but I found it quite unbelievable that she was so poor she could barely afford to eat.

her parents must despair at the lies!!

I wonder if she has seen that thread on Twitter? Has she replied to it?

She rents her property. I think it’s more than probable that she’s struggling, and the fact that some people on here are being awful about it in this day and age after over a decade of poverty causing policy is daft at best. Are none of you struggling? Come on now.

RE: most authors earn about £6.5k a year, obviously it is a part time income for them.

The fact that we are dedicating a thread to her suggests she has the profile to earn much more, through different media channels.

Added to that she has a "base" patreon income, without giving her patrons any exclusive content.

Finally, if you are cooking on a budget, can't you just stick, budget recipes in to Google and get a plethora of operations from authors that are probably on a lot less than Jack?

Well, I hope it isn't removed. One of the things people value Mumsnet for is finding out what other people think about products, services and issues. In this case anybody currently handing over money to Jack or contemplating doing so has been given some extra information to consider, which might affect their decision. Why would it be better for that information to be suppressed?

Seen her bank account have you?

It's not just the money thing - Jack Monroe has repeatedly contradicted themself many times, as all the screenshots from their own interviews, blogs and social media suggest. People have been pointing this out for a long time, including people like me who are very much on the left politically. I've had a lot of conversations over the past few years with people on the left who have concerns about the general veracity of Monroe's narrative about their own life.

It's very telling that they have said that the thread is all lies, but they are not going to take legal action because it will give the remarks the oxygen of publicity. Jack Monroe famously (and correctly) sued Katie Hopkins for briefly suggesting that they'd advocated vandalising war memorials, so giving defamatory remarks the oxygen of publicity is clearly something that hasn't bothered her in the past, and if the comments in that Twitter thread were lies they would be a lot more defamatory and professionally damaging than what Hopkins said. So I think Jack is probably well aware that they don't have a leg to stand on here - the evidence is right there in the form of screenshots and links to their own words, including their own social media posts from the time they were supposedly homeless which suggest they were very much not homeless.

Monroe's Patreon alone has 700 subscribers who pay at least £3 a week each, so from that alone they are bringing in AT LEAST £2,100 a month and that's on top of her journalism and book sales.

For those saying Molly has done alot of research, most of that is on another website, I believe, she has just put it altogether on twitter.

And for those saying she has done good, alot of her followers are people on benefits, on the poverty line and struggling and it seems every other week, she is asking for money. She is not asking, her parents, who seem to have a fairly comfortable life, she is asking people who are deciding between food and electricity. What is good about that?

People want to support her, because they feel that someone is finally speaking for them and no one wants to believe they are being scammed

Who? What? Why do we care?

Can’t stand Jack Monroe - very sanctimonious.

It's blatantly someone from tattle behind that thread. Nothing groundbreaking and there's lots of articulate posters that could have made it from the receipts posted there easily. It's very well timed as her latest beg is so damn obviously fake and people have been waking up to her since the jamie Oliver attack.

She has a big house near Southend in Essex and has private nannies. She needs to stop pleading poverty.

OK, this might be long but for disclosure - I was once a massive JM fan. Donated, bought books, used recipes and tweeted supportive comments during their low moments. I am not a TERF, nor a Tory - I'm possibly middle class, however I've been in moderate poverty before albeit without a child - these are all claims that JM supporters are purporting. Her campaigning for poverty and general political ideologies are ones I wholeheartedly support and have encouraged in the past.

In 2017 I noticed a myriad of inconsistencies in JM's stories on Twitter. Due to their mental health, and as a MH sufferer myself, I felt JM would benefit from taking some extended time away from social media as it became rather chaotic and they were being trolled. I found some of their content quite triggering so unfollowed - when Tin Can Cook came out I bought it and refollowed their account as I was in a better place.

Inconsistencies persisted. I could list a number of them here, but JM oscillated between being so unspeakably poor to being able to purchase large and expensive branded products. One minute JM was crippled by the numerous alignments they had, and the next they were claiming to walk 25k steps a day. They started a vicious pile on Jamie Oliver when he was granted a lockdown TV show, and targeted David Walliams (who I agree seems problematic) and accused him of cocaine usage. Tweets were furiously posted, followed by mass deletions when regular users (i.e.; not trolls) questioned discrepancies in accounts. JM slated subtly their partner (Louisa) who decided to leave during lockdown, and then acquired a very sick kitten who despite countless well meaning users advising her to have the kitten PTS as it was very clearly dying, JM insisted she knew best and was throwing all the money she had (whilst subtly hinting at requiring funds to do so) at sustaining the kittens life despite the vets advice. The kitten ended up dying as expected, alone in JM's bathroom, and they then proceeded to make a monetised YouTube video dedicated to it. I believe around this time JM claimed again to have no money, but then took a long break in Edinburgh including paying for the rather expensive Calledoian sleeper train.

Following this (summer 2020) JM created a Patreon with a variety of different tier's which all indicated that donating to this would subsequently result in donators receiving various "gifts". To date, no gifts, or indeed updates on where said gifts are, have been received by Patreon's. People have rightly questioned either the lack of gifts or updates, and to date JM has over 750 subscribers paying at the bottom tier, £3.50 a month - some far, far more.

JM's poverty cosplay entirely undermines the huge importance of their message(s). There is a lot of doubt as to whether JM was as unspeakably poor as she claim(ed) as her father is a wealthy (and MBE honoured) businessman (properties I believe) and her son's father has even had his own article in the Guardian written by JM speaking about how wonderful he is. JM also alludes to being a single parent endlessly, however their child (referred to as SB on Twitter) lives almost exclusively with his father. In the last week, despite repeatedly declaring that their Twitter receives death threats, rape threats and other unspeakably vile messages (which are abhorrent and should happen to no one), JM has suggested (and subsequently deleted mention of) that they will be handing over their SM to their 12 year old child to monitor and assess who becomes "friends" with their account as part of a summer holiday pocket money, resplendent with the token emotional blackmail that nobody should tweet JM aggressively as they will be seen by a "small child" (who at various junctures is either a tiny boy, or a strapping teenager).

In the same quarter that JM has claimed to be in a position somewhat like they started off with (the timing of the blog exactly ten years on from "Hunger Hurts" no less) they have enjoyed two overseas holidays, was supposed to be going to Glastonbury, has purchased a designer puppy (upwards of 2k) which is evidenced by their tweeting of visiting the litter, has had their hair braided and styled at Toni and Guy, has claimed that they will be buying the house they live in, in the future, and also claimed that as part of their ongoing sobriety, they have been putting a daily nominal amount into a savings pot (of which they have accrued a "decent" amount) that would have been spent on alcohol so they can take their child away on holiday. JM has then, in the last week, tweeted evidence of their accounts, minus this savings pot referred to within the last 10 days. To then blog about the crushing poverty they are experiencing again, and having to downsize from a (4 bedroom) property to a small flat (reminder - JM lives alone) and subsequently reference a place they can donate money to is disingenuous at best, and emotionally manipulative at worst.

Forums like Tattle have a lot of (correctly levied) criticism. They can be an incredibly toxic and horrific place to read. However, there is a detailed dossier on there of the various inconsistencies and variation in storyline by JM. Most of the people posting are more angry at the repeated lies and failure of disclosure whilst rattling a tin for money, and just want JM to get some serious help. A lot of them have genuine sympathy for JM and feel that they just needs some therapy (JM was actually an inpatient at rehab sometime last year and took an extended SM break, however appears to have come back more unstable that before) and to just be honest to alleviate the constant criticism.

It is with my sincerest hope that this recent situation will allow JM to take some time with the money they have accrued and look to directing their brilliantly advocating voice to some good, rather than persist in needing to fabricate stories to illicit sympathy and/or interest. It's not necessary - their voice is sound enough and I welcome the time JM is able to harness their inner strength and recover from this. I (and others I suspect) just have real concerns about the vulnerable in society (one person donated part of their winter fuel fund for a JM tin rattle) contributing to a person who continues to persist in creating false narratives.

MH problems are obviously playing into this..

As I can't edit - I apologise for using conflicting pronouns. She should be they/their, unless JM now refers to themselves as she/her.

@Hallamus same, bloody shite isn't it?
So she's a grifter ?She's not pulling all the sockets out cos the emergency lecky is going to run out is she ? If she wasn't a well known celeb and foodie person some of her behaviour would have her under social work with having her in charge of a young child . But that only happens to working class families doesn't it ?

Yeah that account has repeated information stored on a wiki / threads on twitter. Not much effort or research, but that's what many newspaper articles are these days 😆

Gosh why the media aren’t onto her is mind boggling!

hopefullt it’s only a matter of time

Her dad's not "just a firefighter" though, is he? He did work in the fire service, and has lots of buy to let property in his home town. He is currently a director of 2 businesses and was awarded the MBE for his services to fostering.

He's never been 'just a firefighter'. He was very senior indeed years ago. I didn't think he was just an MBE, I thought he got made a knight around when he retired from the fire service? Might be misremembering.