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Jack monroe challenged on twitter

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KarlWrenbury · 02/08/2022 13:42

Maybe by a sock puppet account Etc but yes- how are they still not making ends meet after all this time ?

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JohnsShirt · 06/08/2022 22:31

AspireMe · 06/08/2022 22:10

Nobody is "doing anything" to her though other than pointing out her own words and inconsistencies to her.

I am, personally, revelling in all of this seeing as she was absolutely vile to me and sent her followers after me for no reason other than commenting once that I didn't think something she said was true.

Yes, I know!
There are accusations from her/sock puppet her ×5 of being transphobic though and a lot of people have used the they/them pronouns respectfully.
I was just clarifying why I haven't.

GoodJanetBadJanet · 06/08/2022 22:32

Im, personally, revelling in all of this
You sound a delight.
seeing as she was absolutely vile to me and sent her followers after me for no reason other than commenting once that I didn't think something she said was true.
Is this the same type of thing "all I did was say something wasn't true" and it turns out to be a load of great big bollocks as it turns out it was more than that?!
Also sent her followers after you - what, told them to go get ya?! 😕
Usually "set followers after someone" means you have the audacity to stick up for yourself and followers take it upon themselves to respond, which you don't really have much control over

ReneBumsWombats · 06/08/2022 22:36

AspireMe · 06/08/2022 22:10

Nobody is "doing anything" to her though other than pointing out her own words and inconsistencies to her.

I am, personally, revelling in all of this seeing as she was absolutely vile to me and sent her followers after me for no reason other than commenting once that I didn't think something she said was true.

What happened?

Maëlys · 06/08/2022 23:20

She is now implying that the criticism of her is antisemitic. WTAF 😳

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 06/08/2022 23:21

I’ll defend her in this to somebody extent (god knows why!) and say that some of the things she’s tweeted in previous years at least indicate that her parents and grandfather, whilst she had a good relationship with them, more or less told her they were disappointed and thought she was throwing her life away by continuing with an unplanned pregnancy so young whilst in a short relationship which was unlikely to work out (as it didn’t.) So I can understand why she may then have felt too proud to go cap in hand to them to feed him

I think most of rest of what she says is pure bollocks, but that she did have a (albeit relatively short) period of real financial difficulty when her son was small and felt she had to push through it alone I do believe

If you admit that she lies about so much else, why on Earth would you believe the stuff about her family not supporting her?

She has repeatedly thrown her family under the bus, both by implication and by direct criticism. They must be saints, to have resisted the temptation to put their side of the story to the media or in SM.

I suspect her gushing about her DS's father being so supportive a couple of years ago, just after she complained of having no support, was in response to him threatening to go to the media if she didn't stop lying about him.

Bubblebubblebah · 06/08/2022 23:30

Maëlys · 06/08/2022 23:20

She is now implying that the criticism of her is antisemitic. WTAF 😳

Is that a full house yet?

JohnsShirt · 06/08/2022 23:32

Maëlys · 06/08/2022 23:20

She is now implying that the criticism of her is antisemitic. WTAF 😳

I was about to say that.
Seriously, what is wrong with her, she's insane.

Maëlys · 06/08/2022 23:36

She really is getting ridiculously cocky now. Gone from meek and fragile to hubristic belligerence, threatening to sue Spiked online and various tweeters. Reckons this time next year she’ll be able to afford shower gel again.

It’s bollocks of course. She won’t sue anyone but she knows the storm has basically blown over and that her supporters don’t care whether she’s telling the truth or not.

SweetSakura · 06/08/2022 23:39

I don't know where she thinks the "libel/slander/defamation" is here. People have literally been comparing different tweets and articles by her and flagging inconsistencies.

Any court case would require (as Rebecca Vardy discovered) complete disclosure of JM's actual financial situation ... And some fairly robust cross examination of those "inconsistent' tweets

Maëlys · 06/08/2022 23:46

I don't know where she thinks the "libel/slander/defamation" is here. People have literally been comparing different tweets and articles by her and flagging inconsistencies.

@SweetSakura She knows there isn’t any and she’s certainly not going to pursue it through the courts. This is just her way of saying that the take down of her has failed. Guardian reader Twitter has her back. Her supporters don’t care about the lies. The media aren’t interested.

EsmaCannonball · 07/08/2022 00:04

I think today has been a concerted effort to make sure the complete fuck-up Tom Kerridge tweet isn't the first thing people see if they search her name on Twitter. It would be hilarious if he decided he had grounds to sue her.

I just want the contradictions explained. I don't care if people give her money (a lot of comfortably off writers have Patreons and Substacks) but I hate the idea of people who are poorer than her giving her money because they've read all the stuff about melted soap and solar lights. Does she have money or assets or not? If she doesn't have money is that because she's never had it or because she's blown it? If she's not producing content, wouldn't it be better to direct her Patreon subscribers to switch to a food bank charity direct debit?

MsPincher · 07/08/2022 00:13

RelentlessForwardProgress · 06/08/2022 20:02

I am in two minds about all this now.

I was gutted when I realised how much things didn't add up, in particular stuff about struggling as a single mother when it transpires that her child's dad is very much in the picture after all. I remember one story about her child's shoes being too small, taking them to a local shoe shop to be measured so she could buy shoes the right size on ebay, but then finding she couldn't because she was blocked on ebay because she hadn't had the money to pay previous fees. This made me really, really upset for the child. So I feel a lot of emotional manipulation has gone on.

At the same time its clear from reading some of the stuff she's posted on twitter that she's not well and help is needed. Has she not got a single friend/relative who can explain to her she needs to get off the internet and take her phone off her? Or get her some help? Because I really feel that whatever has gone one, she needs some help.

I think it’s truly awful to make up stories and pretend you live in poverty with a child to make money. And to ask people to give you money spinning false tales of poverty. It really disgusts me.

JohnsShirt · 07/08/2022 00:22

MsPincher · 07/08/2022 00:13

I think it’s truly awful to make up stories and pretend you live in poverty with a child to make money. And to ask people to give you money spinning false tales of poverty. It really disgusts me.

Same, especially when she's directly using her child.
She keeps wanging on about people not necessarily paying the highest on her Patreon.
right, fine, if you ignore the suggested levels you can pay £1, but you have to prat about to find it, and that would still get her almost £800 a month for something that's not been updated in two years.
That's her defense, ffs.
Onvs that's Just the patreon too.

How can anyone think this is OK?

JemimaPuddlegoose · 07/08/2022 00:45

Maëlys · 06/08/2022 23:20

She is now implying that the criticism of her is antisemitic. WTAF 😳

I looked it up and this is her tweet (since deleted):

"Particularly curious that the timing of this particular tsunami of libel, slander, smears and defamation was ~all damn Saturday~
My "thankfully pro bono!) lawyer is Jewish, which a cabal of the usual suspects mentions quite regularly, so doesn't work on the Sabbath."

I also Twitter searched for "bootstrapcook + Jew", "bootstrapvcook + Jewish", Jack Monroe + Jew" and Jack Monroe Jewish" - not ONE result, other than a single superfan tweeting that she supports Jack due to her own experience of being oppressed as a Jewish woman.

So that's yet another lie. Not one single person has mentioned that her lawyer is Jewish, except Jack.

It being Saturday might be antisemitic if Jack was Jewish, but she's not. Her lawyer being Jewish is irrelevant since that's not how lawyers work. It's not like there are crack teams of emergency 24/7 Twitter Lawyers who you can call at any time night or day to report that someone was mean to you on Twitter. Even if her lawyer wasn't Jewish surely you'd still have to wait till Monday?

Utterly shameful.

Diverseopinions · 07/08/2022 01:06

She's very good-looking - reminds me of Marilyn Monroe, with her skin and radiance. I think she would be a good artist's muse, so perhaps she could do some of that kind of work, if she needs money.

I've only read a couple of her articles, so can't comment too much, but I think there's a need for writing about poverty, from articulate authors, like Caitlin Moran, who has done it a lot, and who have been reflective and analytical. I think when writers take off in their career, they can, oftentimes, change in their perspective and their feelings, and start to view their past objectively and with detachment, but, somehow, that distance doesn't come across in Moran's writing.

I read one of Moran's articles, in a GCSE practice text for teenagers and it was convincingly about being poor and why families huddle up in front of 72 inch TVs, because it's safe and warm, they do it together and it's cheaper than going out. I thought she articulated the feelings and the 'like everyone else' sentient very powerfully. There's so much rubbish shared about poverty as being a trap or resulting from a deficit outlook on life, .that , if Jack Monroe does give an articulate and intelligent, yet subjective, take on being hard-up, then I think it's worth listening to. Maybe the present tense, isn't quite right for a state she's left.

JohnsShirt · 07/08/2022 01:38

I officially love this person.

Jack monroe challenged on twitter
JohnsShirt · 07/08/2022 01:43

JemimaPuddlegoose · 07/08/2022 00:45

I looked it up and this is her tweet (since deleted):

"Particularly curious that the timing of this particular tsunami of libel, slander, smears and defamation was ~all damn Saturday~
My "thankfully pro bono!) lawyer is Jewish, which a cabal of the usual suspects mentions quite regularly, so doesn't work on the Sabbath."

I also Twitter searched for "bootstrapcook + Jew", "bootstrapvcook + Jewish", Jack Monroe + Jew" and Jack Monroe Jewish" - not ONE result, other than a single superfan tweeting that she supports Jack due to her own experience of being oppressed as a Jewish woman.

So that's yet another lie. Not one single person has mentioned that her lawyer is Jewish, except Jack.

It being Saturday might be antisemitic if Jack was Jewish, but she's not. Her lawyer being Jewish is irrelevant since that's not how lawyers work. It's not like there are crack teams of emergency 24/7 Twitter Lawyers who you can call at any time night or day to report that someone was mean to you on Twitter. Even if her lawyer wasn't Jewish surely you'd still have to wait till Monday?

Utterly shameful.

Just stop, seriously stop.
please don't, its hilarious

mariatje · 07/08/2022 07:22

Following on from the discussion about book sales, I had a look at her books' bestseller ranking on Amazon. Her book, Cooking on a Bootstrap, is the 123th bestselling book on Amazon at the moment; her latest is 257, and Tin Can Cook is 291.

There are plenty of calculators around that you can use to estimate how much they sell per month with that ranking (e.g. 8500 per month for a book ranked 123th). These figures doesn't include Kindle and not all of her books are bestsellers at the moment. Interestingly, her 2018 book is still a bestseller and although I imagine sale figures have ebbed and flowed, the pandemic must have giving her a big boost.

At an ungenerous estimate, that means that she's selling 15000 of her books per month on Amazon UK. Let's say the average sale price is £6 (the current paperback price ranges from £5.59 to £11.89), the turnover is £90K a month right now.

Even if she gets a measly 5% in royalties (which is what academic authors, like me, would get -- I have no doubt that she gets more), that's £4500 a month. Deduct agent fees (20%?) and you still have a very decent income before tax.

I think she could do a great job campaigning against food poverty without performing poverty yourself. On Instagram, she shows off a decent kitchen (with a Kitchenaid on the counter) and a large dining room with dressers (recently redesigned) - none of that looks cheap. That's a good investment if she's going to do TV from home, but it doesn't look like someone who only has £10 a week for food left after bills.

mariatje · 07/08/2022 07:29

Just to add, that doesn't include any advances she gets for her books. I got an advance of £750 for my first academic book in 2019 (which is more than the royalties will ever come to). Someone who is in the top 300 bestsellers on Amazon is bound to get much more than that.

I wish her all the best and I hope she can continue the campaigning while being honest about who and what she is.

Bubblebubblebah · 07/08/2022 07:51

@mariatje add about 10% for part of it because she shares affiliate links to her books.

ClaudineClare · 07/08/2022 08:04

mariatje those Amazon rankings aren't fixed and will have gone up because the Twitter spat has driven traffic there and temporarily boosted a few sales. The other day the rankings were around the 5,000 mark for one book and much lower for some others. I totally believe she does not earn huge amounts in royalties. A book needs to be consistently selling in decent numbers for that to happen.

It is slightly amusing that the huge Twitter pile on has helped improve her sale figures. Maybe that is why she has stoked it to keep it going. Very canny.

mariatje · 07/08/2022 08:21

@ClaudineClare Yes, I know they're not an exact science, which is why I used a low retail price. While she was on TV during the pandemic, I imagine her sales figures would have been similar. She'll get a big boost this month, as you say. Getting lots of attention even if some of it is negative attention is bound to help sales and traffic to the website.

I spotted the Kickstarter campaign for the Bootstrap book, which raised £68,761. And it also got picked up by a publisher.

ClaudineClare · 07/08/2022 08:34

£68,761! I did not know about that. Did she use that to self publish the book and then it got picked up by a publisher?

ermagerdabear · 07/08/2022 08:44

ClaudineClare · 07/08/2022 08:34

£68,761! I did not know about that. Did she use that to self publish the book and then it got picked up by a publisher?

I'm not 100% sure but I think so. I think the crowdfunder book was black & white photocopies (again, don't take that as gospel) and some people still haven't received their copy and ended up having to also buy the properly published book. There was also a hoo ha about postage to countries outside the UK, as she came back and said she'd made a mistake calculating postage costs and they needed to pay more. I'm not sure if this crowdfunder was the one where she asked people to buy another copy for a foodbank as well which she also brings up on Twitter a lot, saying she's 'donated hundreds of books to foodbanks' (except she didn't, it was the people who bought her books).

It's all still out there somewhere, someone might have link to the people complaining about not receiving the book. I think the colour version was actually out before her crowdfunded one.

mariatje · 07/08/2022 08:47

She raised that money to self-publish the book and said it wouldn't be available in bookshops. What I don't know is if she initially self-published it and then got picked up by a publisher or whether the publisher spotted an opportunity.

www.kickstarter.com/projects/780456006/cooking-on-a-bootstrap-by-jack-monroe/description.

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