Page 19 | Jack monroe challenged on twitter

KarlWrenbury · 2022-08-02T12:42:18+00:00

Maybe by a sock puppet account Etc but yes- how are they still not making ends meet after all this time ?

TrashPandas · 04/08/2022 14:24

Tsandjdarethrbest · 04/08/2022 14:00

@TrashPandas absolutely fine if you are a part-time or hobby writer. Not so easy when it’s your full-time profession and have deadlines you need to meet.

Again, what? Nearly all authors have day jobs and still meet their deadlines. It's a choice to make it your full-time profession, and generally not one that's financially viable.

You really don't need to give up work to churn out a cookbook a year.

TrashPandas · 04/08/2022 14:26

Why should I take your word for it when I am in that business myself and know loads of writers?

Yep, I'm also an author (fiction, not cookbooks). Through that I know loads of writers. The only one who does it full-time has a rich husband, and she wouldn't work even if she didn't write.

We all manage to meet our deadlines. Even the ones who have actual diagnosed autism.

Tsandjdarethrbest · 04/08/2022 14:29

@TrashPandas I don’t doubt what you really saying but think you are talking about teachers who write, rather than full time writers. Pretty much every single writer I know does it full time. Maybe the difference is levels. You have to, if you are meeting deadlines. They may teach the odd workshop but no way can they fulfil their commitments. Not all writers are novelists. You try telling a film crew your script isn’t ready because you need to teach a class of kids.

ermagerdabear · 04/08/2022 14:38

Jack hasn't released a book in two years, despite working '100 hours' a week. In fact, she hasn't really done much of note in those two years either (including not fulfilling her Patreon pledges).

I'd question someone whose output is almost zero, yet who claims to work over double the average working week and I'd be scoffing at the notion that she should be somehow funded for it because she's in a 'creative' industry. If maybe she created something, ANYTHING, I'd change my mind.

BlossomsOnATree · 04/08/2022 14:39

You try telling a film crew your script isn’t ready because you need to teach a class of kids.

A professional wouldn’t do that. They’d take on projects and work that they could fit into the time available, and meet their deadlines by organising their time well. The other job doesn’t have to be full-time, and often isn’t.

JohnsShirt · 04/08/2022 14:41

Oh she created a lot alright, quite the fiction writer is Jack.

Tsandjdarethrbest · 04/08/2022 14:46

@BlossomsOnATree you can’t possibly be serious? It really doesn’t work that way. You have no idea how much time something will take before you agree to doing it. There are constant delays and bumps in the road which are completely unforeseeable. You could literally have to do a complete rewrite for a million reasons. With the best will in the world the time you will spend on a project is completely unquantifiable.
I should probably bow out of this thread now. If I’m wrong to keep an open mind then I will be happy to admit it. The personal attacks on me are probably not what I needed today.

BlossomsOnATree · 04/08/2022 14:51

ts, I have been doing my job for 30+ years and thanks to experience do I have a good idea how long a freelance project will take, and I negotiate that clearly with the client. If there are delays and rewrites they are generally caused by the client, not by my failings (if I was that useless I wouldn’t keep getting jobs) - so the client has to accept the deadline slipping if it’s their fault.

you are quite rude in your continued insistence that none of us freelance creatives know what we’re talking about!

BlossomsOnATree · 04/08/2022 14:55

And I have not personally attacked you once, I’ve disagreed with you on the basis of first-hand experience. That’s not an attack and I was polite. In fact I can’t see any personal attacks on you, but you have been rude, calling people hobbyists and saying we haven’t read your posts, etc.

WhereAreMyAirpods · 04/08/2022 14:59

I'm a "freelance creative". I agree that one of the main things you have to get to grips with is timing and deadlines - no I can't take on X project now, because I have Y to do first, but could perhaps manage September.

The issue is claiming to work 100 hours a week and producing nothing.

goldfinchonthelawn · 04/08/2022 15:11

Tsandjdarethrbest · 04/08/2022 14:29

@TrashPandas I don’t doubt what you really saying but think you are talking about teachers who write, rather than full time writers. Pretty much every single writer I know does it full time. Maybe the difference is levels. You have to, if you are meeting deadlines. They may teach the odd workshop but no way can they fulfil their commitments. Not all writers are novelists. You try telling a film crew your script isn’t ready because you need to teach a class of kids.

Are they screen writers? I know a lot of novelists as I work in a related profession and less than a handful earn enough to do nothing else. Most have teaching work or do editorial/mentoring and a few are supported by souses with big salaries. Only the screenwriters I know earn a living exclusively from writing because each episode is well paid. Most prose writers earn a pittance - even the very well known ones.

AspireMe · 04/08/2022 15:22

@Gettingthereslowly2020
Eventually, JM made a social media post about how amazingly wonderful her son's father is. That's the opposite of what she was implying for years beforehand when she used to talk about not being able to buy her son clothes and school uniform, not being able to buy treats or even to feed him properly, raising her son on the bare minimum and feeling bad for him that he had to live like that.

I mentioned earlier in the thread where Jack had been on a rage-filled Twitter rant one night about how she was a single parent, got absolutely zero help from anybody, was struggling, so alone etc etc, and then two days later (or maybe even the next day) she was on This Morning and Ruth said something like "oh you've got a little boy haven't you, where is he?" and she said "He's with his dad at the moment, he spends most of the time there". Seriously WTF?

JohnsShirt · 04/08/2022 15:34

AspireMe · 04/08/2022 15:22

@Gettingthereslowly2020
Eventually, JM made a social media post about how amazingly wonderful her son's father is. That's the opposite of what she was implying for years beforehand when she used to talk about not being able to buy her son clothes and school uniform, not being able to buy treats or even to feed him properly, raising her son on the bare minimum and feeling bad for him that he had to live like that.

I mentioned earlier in the thread where Jack had been on a rage-filled Twitter rant one night about how she was a single parent, got absolutely zero help from anybody, was struggling, so alone etc etc, and then two days later (or maybe even the next day) she was on This Morning and Ruth said something like "oh you've got a little boy haven't you, where is he?" and she said "He's with his dad at the moment, he spends most of the time there". Seriously WTF?

Quite.
My Dd's Dad left when she was 6 weeks old, she's never met him and I've never had a live in relationship since.
Dd will be 21 this month.
That's a single parent.

JanisMoplin · 04/08/2022 15:34

I find it very difficult to believe her. She seems to be constantly lurching from crisis to crisis, oversharing, and generally loving the drama. I find this of people who live their lives on social media. It becomes real to them and their actual lives secondary to getting validation on Twitter.

TrashPandas · 04/08/2022 15:51

Tsandjdarethrbest · 04/08/2022 14:29

@TrashPandas I don’t doubt what you really saying but think you are talking about teachers who write, rather than full time writers. Pretty much every single writer I know does it full time. Maybe the difference is levels. You have to, if you are meeting deadlines. They may teach the odd workshop but no way can they fulfil their commitments. Not all writers are novelists. You try telling a film crew your script isn’t ready because you need to teach a class of kids.

I... again, do not know what you're talking about. Where did teachers come into it?

Very, very few authors write full-time. That's just a fact.

JohnPrescottsPyjamas · 04/08/2022 15:55

JanisMoplin · 04/08/2022 15:34

I find it very difficult to believe her. She seems to be constantly lurching from crisis to crisis, oversharing, and generally loving the drama. I find this of people who live their lives on social media. It becomes real to them and their actual lives secondary to getting validation on Twitter.

Absolutely this.

She seems to have plenty of time to post/challenge others on SM. How much of that 100 hours a week is spent scanning for posts that she can take offence to?

CarolynMartens · 04/08/2022 15:58

She seems to have plenty of time to post/challenge others on SM.

Yes. Also didn’t it come out in the Katie Hopkins trial that she had multiple sock accounts on Twitter?

JanisMoplin · 04/08/2022 15:59

I am an author too. But it's a side hustle. I have a day job. I can well believe that Jack is not making much money from her books. But then she needs to do something else, not tweet all day.

Also finding the " I can't afford shampoo and shower gel" thing very strange. Why would you get a dog if you can't afford basic toiletries. Aldi shampoo is a pound at most?

JubileeTrifle · 04/08/2022 16:01

I imagine as a food bank user you would know how long roughly you had been using one. Not Jack. It changes from a few times to several months to just once!
Ive never personally used one but I think there are some doubts in how she describes using them to what it’s actually like.

I read something on Twitter that her supporters have to keep supporting her, or else, they’ve just been really dumb.

I know a few childrens writers/illustrators. One does it full time (because they do work for film companies). Some have FT jobs and some do lots of workshops on the side to subsidise/build audience.
My chef friend makes his best money doing private dinner parties in peoples homes/holiday homes. There’s money to be made in food.

JohnsShirt · 04/08/2022 16:04

She's part of a lot of minority groups too isn't she?
ND/third gen immigrant/trans/disabled/gay
No one wants to say anything for fear of being labelled
racist/brexiteer/transphobic/ableist/homophobic
Interesting strokes chin

JohnsShirt · 04/08/2022 16:09

JubileeTrifle · 04/08/2022 16:01

I imagine as a food bank user you would know how long roughly you had been using one. Not Jack. It changes from a few times to several months to just once!
Ive never personally used one but I think there are some doubts in how she describes using them to what it’s actually like.

I read something on Twitter that her supporters have to keep supporting her, or else, they’ve just been really dumb.

I know a few childrens writers/illustrators. One does it full time (because they do work for film companies). Some have FT jobs and some do lots of workshops on the side to subsidise/build audience.
My chef friend makes his best money doing private dinner parties in peoples homes/holiday homes. There’s money to be made in food.

Not if you make salmon paste delight and soup made from tinned soup there isn't money to be made in food.
Did you see her on the lockdown food show?
I dare you to try her recipes.

JohnsShirt · 04/08/2022 16:12

Most of her food looks like what is currently coming out of her £2000 dog's arse, but probably tastes worse.

Bubblebubblebah · 04/08/2022 16:13

Have to say that is a good work on covering all bases!

Emotionalsupportviper · 04/08/2022 16:33

JohnsShirt · 04/08/2022 16:12

Most of her food looks like what is currently coming out of her £2000 dog's arse, but probably tastes worse.

I tried a couple of her recipes when we were at a very low financial ebb . . . they really were dreadful! Wasted ingredients because they were actually inedible.

Bernadine Lawrence "Feed your Family" and Jpcasta Innes (I think) "The Pauper's Cookbook" - that's where to look. Or even Jamie Oliver's basic Cookbook (can't remember the title - he effectively teaches people to cook in it).

CallOfTheMild · 04/08/2022 16:56

Funnily enough I'd rather have beans on toast or tomatoes on toast, than any of her weird recipes from tinned and cupboard food that isn't actually that cheap and doesn't really (in truth) taste very nice.

My 'bootstrap' meals for the kids were a hell of a lot cheaper than hers, not that unusual, and they actually ate them.