If you tend to vote conservative can I ask a few questions - let’s keep it light and respectful!

[Holidayhavanas]

Full disclosure I tend to vote Labour, but I’m really interested to know if you tend to vote for the tories, what is your reasoning behind. the real shortage of qualified public sector workers for example teachers, social workers, police. A health service and education system on it’s knees. Police forces like Manchester and Met in special forces. I think that it’s symptomatic of years of underfunding. I work in the public sector and feel on a daily basis that the country is absolutely screwed. I assume most tory supporters would say it’s down to austerity but I feel it’s ideological cutting back on public funding. I’mgenuinely open to hear other views as I find it so depressing and just hope that it’s something I am missing. Let’s try and keep this respectful 😊

I agree pp are making up their own views on this. It’s not reflected by what’s actually happening.

Nice isn’t it.

Same old lack of tolerance and anger..

Yes, but never happens on mumsnet does it...?

Apparently not 😂

Nice isn’t it.* Same old lack of tolerance and anger*.

It's very draining. People clearly feel strongly (which is their prerogative) but directing their anger at individuals in the form of offensive insults isn't acceptable.

Yesterday's Brexit thread was an example. Funnily enough, posters with differing views didn't want to engage after they were all painted as nasty, stupid racists. When they declined to stick their head above the parapet to be insulted, they were hounded off the thread and so it became yet another MN political echo chamber.

I have friends who vote differently to me in both elections and the referendum but I wouldn't dream of calling them the unpleasant names that the non left-wing voters are regularly called on MN.

To be honest, the posts being deleted are not from the more left leaning contributors.

Tory supporters calling specific people stupid, thick and being condescending, fortunately we are on a well moderated forum where genuine attacks from either side are removed.

Some of those posts on the Brexit threads make me wince and I voted remain, just sticking the boot into people

I may not have voted the same way but I can hear out people’s reasons

Yeah disgraceful... Loser, Get over it, Remoaner .... Fxxk off and move if you don't like it here, Don't let the door bang ya arse on the way out.......

As i said earlier, the only posts being deleted are from the 'right/pro brexit wing.

And yet people keep starting these threads… two anger at voter threads going atm

people probably do get fed up with the abuse which is understandable

I find the anger ott and an own goal in many ways and beyond caring how angry people get

Anger no, Sadness yes.

I would add that i do think some people NC and come on to to stir up emotion....repeatedly.

With cost of living, i do get the anger, this isn't about a stamp in a passport or 10% on your travel policy, its about being able to live and many people think the Tories have not done enough e.g. UK fuel duty help (5p) is the 2nd lowest in Europe... comparable countries have reduced duty by between 15p and 25p per litre.

Price Cap will prob be around 4k next March, with people seeing bills go from 100 pm to 3/400 per month, this is unsustainable and the targeted help isn't there.

The Govt are governing for the 180k members who will chose their next leader and policy announced then retracted daily, its pathetic.

With these threads, which fill up with about 90% abuse in one direction, it’s a bit of an own goal.

Labour presumably need swathes of voters to return and many of those people will have voted for Brexit or Cons in last GE

So going on about how thick they are, or that pp hate them etc, or only idiots without degrees would vote a certain way is only going to turn people off making that switch back.

And that baseless superiority is part of the reason for Brexit imo, people got fed up with the liberal elite and level of disdain

With these threads, which fill up with about 90% abuse in one direction, it’s a bit of an own goal

It’s about 50/50 on the Tory voters thread. One right leaning poster has had at least a dozen posts deleted.

90%? thats a bit of an exaggeration.

Do you not think that repeatedly telling those on the Left don't care about Womens rights (when they are themselves women) is a bit of an insult? and displays the disdain you don't like?

People voted for brexit, mainly because of immigration, educational attainment, along with age was strong indicator too, its been very well researched.

Its not an insult.

Not really. Look at any Brexit thread it’s the same old pile on calling people thick

I don’t care, it reminds me of Emily Thornberry and her white van pic that derailed her career.

That snobby superiority towards Brexit voters won’t get them back, and apparently many only voted Cons due that single issue. Insult away, people love it

It’s also part of why people voted Brexit to start with

@MarshaBradyo the old 'leave voters are all economic experts who knew what they were voting for' tripe. Not like my partner who isn't the slightest politically engaged or for that matter aware who voted leave and now regrets it. For a few years he was absolutely adamant he'd done the right thing. Like many of his friends too but most have changed their minds.
People in labour strongholds voted for Brexit ironically because of years of austerity and neglect by all governments but in particular Cameron and Osbourne, not because 'lefties' called them names 🙄I guess you live up here ?

Honestly I have no idea what you are talking about. Where have I said Leave voters were economic experts?

It’d be interesting to see how many have changed their minds. I’d go for another vote but it seems for Brexit we accept just one.

And yes I do think Brexit was in part to stick it to the elite, no one listened to people and their concerns and it showed in the result.

I’m a typical London remainer, or was at the time, just looking at some of the superiority since - thick idiots, brainwashed, not degree level and so on - has made me recoil though. It’s become more understandable why people can’t stand that kind disdain aimed at them.

And yes I do think Brexit was in part to stick it to the elite, no one listened to people and their concerns and it showed in the result.

I’m a typical London remainer, or was at the time, just looking at some of the superiority since - thick idiots, brainwashed, not degree level and so on - has made me recoil though. It’s become more understandable why people can’t stand that kind disdain aimed at them.

Yes all of this. In large corporates, banks etc, typical Tory voters were all aghast at Brexit. They didn't think it would be good for the economy/the city and they didn't want it. The public voted for Brexit and the remain campaign was pathetic. I don't understand the conflation of Brexit with Toyrism at all?

@MarshaBradyo Not all northerners voted to leave the EU. We aren't one huge homogenous mass and some of us are entitled to wonder why our still deprived northern town after 12 years of austerity and 6 years of 'levelling up' now has 2 out of 3 tory MPs. You answer that one maybe. To me it's illogical. Moaning about 6 out of 10 libraries being closed then voting for the party that slashed council spending in the north because brexit. Moaning about ASB issues on certain estates, youth clubs being shut down but then voting for the same party that enabled that. To me that displays a lack of critical thinking. And I'm not suggesting folk should have voted labour but maybe anything other than the tories because of their actual poor record...

Not all northerners voted to leave the EU

of course not, I wouldn’t say that. Not all Londoners voted remain either

@completelyunderwhelmed Thatcherite tories had largely been in favour of Brexit. The ERG wing being a good example, eurosceptics for years. Cameron won the 2015 GE largely because of his promise to hold a referendum. He ironically had been making threats to take the UK out for several years before and then embarked upon a very lacklustre remain campaign, funny that.....
Quite a few left wingers like Tony Benn and Corbyn were also sceptical but the LP was never as ideologically obsessed with the EU as the tory party. In her Bruges speech Thatcher made clear her dislike of the EU despite initially being supportive of it....

And yes I do think Brexit was in part to stick it to the elite, no one listened to people and their concerns and it showed in the result

Yes after 8 years of Austerity, zero wage rises and working benefit cuts, they most certainly had.... Trouble is, 6 of the those 8 years were under the Tories.

We see it now with Truss, Regional Pay Boards... who do you think that would effect?
Yet another reversal but its not a new policy from the Tories or indeed Labour.

I wonder if Truss will come to rue the day she said she would "ignore Sturgeon" ? a democratically elected First Minister, with a mandate any Westminster party would die for....

Thatcherite tories had largely been in favour of Brexit

Weird as Thatcher was so much in favour of the Single Market, she did a whole Mansion House speech on the benefits and opportunities for UK business..

As the SM hasn't really changed much, i wonder why they are so keen on a hard Brexit.

Weird as Thatcher was so much in favour of the Single Market, she did a whole Mansion House speech on the benefits and opportunities for UK business..

Thatcher was interested in improving trade. That's what people like my parents voted for. A trading block. Thatcher wasn't interested in a social project of ever closer integration.

Sorry but the SM was close to two decades after your parents voted to stay in the EEC.
It was and is much more than trade, she knew that and supported it, well, actually the UK was instrumental in designing it.

So why are her ERG acolytes so against the UK staying in the SM.